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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#121 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:48 pm

jamrock1975 wrote:knicks fan here and I am not trolling. I have read all the direct quotes from Carmelo Anthony as well as watched some of his interviews. I really don't care if he comes to the Knicks and Nets to be quite honest with you. I would love to have him as it would take pressure off of Stoudemire but we have bigger issues on defense more than anything else. We are no. 1 or 2 in the leauge in scoring we need players on the other side of the ball However what I will say is that I am almost 99% sure that Carmelo does not want to go the Nets based on the direct quotes I have read from him, as well as his reactions to when the Nets are brought up.

He will never come out and flat out say that he does not want to go the Nets, but his actions and words suggest he does not want. I can actually see Melo staying Denver before he goes to the Nets. The Nets are going through the same thing the Knicks did last year. They are not winning and they don't have any established players on their team. The best prized asset they have on New Jersey is Brooke and he seems to have regressed this year. The Knicks went ahead and upgraded with Stoudemire and Felton and set themselves to have cap space to sign Melo this off season and to have another impact player next season in preferably Deron Willims. Most Knicks fans would rather have Deron Williams over Chris Paul and I think management would view it the same way. The front office is going about it the wrong way, what they need to do is show Melo that they are committed to winning by making a trade before they come back to Melo and try to get someone who Melo can see himself playing with the next five years. Proky needs to let the front office do their job and stop pulling rank. The front office is losing credibility everyday by looking like a girl trying to go on a date with a guy and the guy doesn't want to hurt feelings.

Again I am not trolling and just really starting to see what's going on here. That statement about him being in the league for 9 years and wanting to be able to compete for championship in my opinion is a dig at the Nets because of their record. Answer this honestly if you were Carmelo Anthony would you go to a team that is 10-31? The longer this trade doesn't go through the sooner the nets will be out of playoff contention, there is still a month left to go before the trade deadline, they have the potential to lose another 7-10 games before the trade deadline and they would be out of the playoff race, he definitely wont' want to come then because this would be his first season not being in the playoffs. Just think about that

Pretty much agree with this, but just to let you know, it's basically impossible for you guys to get a max trio, so don't believe the hype some of your fellow Knix fans are posting, I debunked that theory a few times since the summer on the General and Trade Boards.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#122 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:01 pm

jamrock1975 wrote:knicks fan here and I am not trolling. I have read all the direct quotes from Carmelo Anthony as well as watched some of his interviews. I really don't care if he comes to the Knicks and Nets to be quite honest with you. I would love to have him as it would take pressure off of Stoudemire but we have bigger issues on defense more than anything else. We are no. 1 or 2 in the leauge in scoring we need players on the other side of the ball However what I will say is that I am almost 99% sure that Carmelo does not want to go the Nets based on the direct quotes I have read from him, as well as his reactions to when the Nets are brought up.

He will never come out and flat out say that he does not want to go the Nets, but his actions and words suggest he does not want. I can actually see Melo staying Denver before he goes to the Nets. The Nets are going through the same thing the Knicks did last year. They are not winning and they don't have any established players on their team. The best prized asset they have on New Jersey is Brooke and he seems to have regressed this year. The Knicks went ahead and upgraded with Stoudemire and Felton and set themselves to have cap space to sign Melo this off season and to have another impact player next season in preferably Deron Willims. Most Knicks fans would rather have Deron Williams over Chris Paul and I think management would view it the same way. The front office is going about it the wrong way, what they need to do is show Melo that they are committed to winning by making a trade before they come back to Melo and try to get someone who Melo can see himself playing with the next five years. Proky needs to let the front office do their job and stop pulling rank. The front office is losing credibility everyday by looking like a girl trying to go on a date with a guy and the guy doesn't want to hurt feelings.

Again I am not trolling and just really starting to see what's going on here. That statement about him being in the league for 9 years and wanting to be able to compete for championship in my opinion is a dig at the Nets because of their record. Answer this honestly if you were Carmelo Anthony would you go to a team that is 10-31? The longer this trade doesn't go through the sooner the nets will be out of playoff contention, there is still a month left to go before the trade deadline, they have the potential to lose another 7-10 games before the trade deadline and they would be out of the playoff race, he definitely wont' want to come then because this would be his first season not being in the playoffs. Just think about that

This is why I don't understand why Melo just can't say "I don't want to go the Nets". It would help him so much and ultimately give him less questions to answer. At this point, he's shooting himself in the foot by being unwilling to bring closure to this fiasco. He complains about having to go through this and not having a good night's sleep since Thanksgiving. Well, if you just say what you want, you'd wouldn't have to go through all of this. Just say no so that we can go back to rebuilding mode.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#123 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:12 pm

If Melo doesn't want Nets, he should put stop to trade talks

By Ken Berger
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Jan. 17, 2011Tell Ken your opinion!

SAN ANTONIO -- Faced with the prospect of a face-to-face meeting with Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z this week to finally push trade talks with the Nets to some kind of conclusion, Carmelo Anthony's reaction couldn't have been any clearer.

Nah, I'm good.

The reason is the same as it has been for more than a month -- longer than that, really. On Sunday, a person with knowledge of Anthony's thinking told CBSSports.com that there remain only two teams he has thought about signing an extension with: the Nuggets and the Knicks.

As CBSSports.com reported Dec. 12, after the Nuggets' only scheduled trip to Madison Square Garden this season, Anthony remains steadfast in his desire to agree only to an extend-and-trade transaction that sends him to New York -- and by that, he means the borough of Manhattan. Anthony also still hasn't ruled out re-signing with the Nuggets, the person said.

When pressed on whether the Nets had a chance to persuade him, the person said Anthony hasn't thought about the Nets and "hasn't made a decision on anything -- whether to stay or go, or wait until the summer."

In his postgame comments after a hideous loss to the Spurs on Sunday night, Anthony seemed to corroborate this window into his thinking when asked for the umpteenth time if this was his last game as a Nugget.

"No, not at all," he said. "I'm going to play Wednesday against Oklahoma City and then against the Lakers."

And Indiana (a week from Sunday)?

"And Indiana," he said.

"You're sure of that?" he was asked.

"Yup," Anthony said.

With momentum building, fading, and building again toward an agreement on the details of a complicated three-team trade that would send Anthony to New Jersey, the saga seemed to reach a critical juncture Sunday. NBA.com was first to report that the Nuggets have granted the Nets permission to speak with Anthony directly about signing the extension, which would be the crucial trigger in finally consummating or canceling the trade. Although one of the executives involved in the trade talks told CBSSports.com on Sunday night that it was a non-issue because there is "no deal yet," Anthony nonetheless answered several rounds of questions about the proposed meeting after the Nuggets got run out of the barn 110-97 by the Spurs.

After expressing surprise about a meeting he knew nothing about -- and couldn't have been expected to know about since the story broke 20 minutes before the game -- Anthony stated his strong opposition to getting involved.

"I can't talk to them people," said Anthony, who scored only 12 points on 5-of-17 shooting as his game begins to cave under the pressure of this daily drama. "The Denver Nuggets still pay me. I can't talk to nobody."

Even after it was explained several times that this would not be considered tampering by the NBA, and that this was a meeting the Nuggets -- who've been trying to trade him to the Nets for four months -- would want him to have, Anthony still resisted.

"I don't want to talk to nobody," Anthony said. "I let the front office handle that type of stuff. It ain't my job to be talking to New Jersey, New York, the Lakers, Dallas, no one. That's not my job to do."

One last time Anthony was reminded that such a meeting would only take place with permission and that it would be legal under NBA tampering rules. It has happened before, such as with the trade that sent Kevin Garnett from Minnesota to Boston in 2007.

"I still won't step into something like that," Anthony said.

Despite Anthony's unwavering stance, these cannot be considered his final answers on the Nets' involvement because both Anthony and executives involved in the trade talks do not believe a credible offer to speak with Anthony can be made until details of the trade are finalized, sources said. While the Pistons are on board to send Richard Hamilton and DaJuan Summers to New Jersey as part of the deal, Detroit officials have been in the dark for days about the rest of the transaction. The latest in a series of logjams, according to sources, is how many and which first-round picks would be going to Denver in the deal.

But without a trade agreement, Anthony was in no position to address with any finality whether he would agree to meet with the Nets. When he was asked how he would react if he got a call from Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri or executive Josh Kroenke about having such a meeting, Anthony said, " I haven't gotten it yet, so ... "

His opposition to such involvement, however, could not have been more apparent. So when Prokhorov returns to the States in time for Russian Culture Night when the Nets play host to the Jazz on Wednesday night, the chances seem overwhelming that he will be confronted with one of the coldest facts about being an NBA owner. This is one of the few walks of life where a 26-year-old, three-time All-Star is more powerful than a billionaire.

'It ain't my job to be talking to New Jersey, New York, the Lakers, Dallas, no one. That's not my job to do,' Anthony says. (AP)
'It ain't my job to be talking to New Jersey, New York, the Lakers, Dallas, no one. That's not my job to do,' Anthony says. (AP)
And despite all the grins and giggles everyone had this past summer when LeBron James and Dwyane Wade merged their powers and created a superteam in Miami, it is one of the reasons NBA owners are so determined to crush the players in collective bargaining -- a fight whose outcome will have more to do with Anthony's decision than he seems to know.

When asked about the possibility of Anthony waiting until after the season to address his future, the person familiar with his strategy told CBSSports.com that he has not factored in the prospect of a hard cap and salary rollbacks in a new CBA. Such an outcome in the labor talks would make Anthony's three-year, $65 million extension -- thought to be a driving force behind any trade that would compel him to sign it before the Feb. 24 deadline -- a moot point.

A management source familiar with the owners' bargaining strategy told CBSSports.com that Anthony might "lose nothing by not signing because new and old contracts will have the same limits after old contracts are rolled back." While some large contracts were grandfathered in after previous changes to the CBA, the management source said, "This is a different world. There was no hard cap. ... In a hard-cap environment, you would penalize teams if old contracts were paid more."

This would mean that accepting a trade simply to get the guaranteed money under the current rules would not be a prudent strategy for Anthony. "Guarantees could go away, too," the source said.

This is something Anthony will have to think long and hard about before deciding his next move, which he said in a recent interview would "define my legacy." The longer this soap opera drags on, though, the more damage is done.

Despite having come to San Antonio on a three-game winning streak, the Nuggets were a beaten team Sunday night -- and Melo a distracted star robbed of the flare and talent that have made him one of the NBA's most dynamic performers. He saw how much fun his pals LeBron and Wade had this past July, and he wanted some of that. Only he has been led down a dead-end street in this farcical journey into a January free agency that doesn't exist.

And on top of trying to orchestrate a trade to a place that he clearly doesn't want to go, Anthony's agents, advisors, handlers and power-pushers apparently have not warned him that blood-thirsty owners are planning to shave millions off this all-important extension anyway. They have put Anthony in an impossible spot on this one, and now he and his team are suffering the consequences.

The best move now? That would be for Anthony to inform Ujiri and Kroenke to cool it with the trade talks -- and that he will wait until the end of the season to address the extension. Under the current rules, Anthony can re-sign with the Nuggets any time before July 1. Once the season is over, Anthony could be moved in an extend-and-trade all the way up to July 1, as well.

If Anthony stopped the madness, the Nuggets would then have several weeks to see if this calming influence would help the team settle down and get to the playoffs, where they have enough talent to be without all the distractions. Their other option, if they're truly sick of the Melo drama, would be to open trade talks with the Knicks or trade Anthony to a team that would be willing to take him without an extension -- such as the Rockets.

Neither of those teams currently is engaged in talks with Denver, and only Nuggets officials have the power to change that -- just as Anthony has the power to shut down the talks with New Jersey. The Knicks' interest in Anthony has been only theoretical to this point because the Nuggets have expressed "no interest" in having serious trade discussions with them, according to a source.

The power to make it stop lies with Anthony and the Nuggets. Until someone applies the brakes, more reputations and teams will be torpedoed, more egos will be damaged, and the winter of Melo will only grow colder and more miserable compared to the free-agent fun fest of July.

"I get tired of answering the questions, but I live with it," Anthony said. "I wake up in the morning, hold my head high, be professional, and answer the questions as y'all ask them."

Too many questions that have gone on too long for anybody's good.


Most of the article is stuff that we know but the stuff in bold is what is really important at this point. Melo needs to be a man, cut his losses and just say what he wants to do to his agents or the Nets faces. Everyone is tired of this. Having this in limbo is killing the fan bases of all teams involved, the players of the teams, the franchises, and ultimately the credibility of the league. This needs to come to end so that we can go back to just talking about the game of basketball.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#124 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:26 pm

After what I've read the past 2 days, I'm starting to get angry with management too. Now, I've defended them up until this morning actually if you've read my posts, but the fact they are including Damion James and a 3rd first rounder is just ludacris for this deal.

If I was Billy King, this is what I'd do:

1. Call the Grizzlies and offer a package for Mayo/Thabeet or even Mayo/Z-Bo (he's an expiring) without giving up Favors or Brook. Maybe bring Portland into the deal and send Harris to Portland, Murphy/Andre Miller/First to Memphis. Never know maybe we can throw another player or pick at them to nab us Batum.

2. Tell the Nuggets to piss off. Their demands are so illogically wacked out that it's beyond rediculous now. If we drag our feet till the deadline, I'm so mad at this point that I am willing to take the chance of the Nuggets putting a last second deal to the Knicks together. If the deadline passes and the Nuggets don't buckle, I wouldn't lose any sleep and just focus on the rest of the season and make a push for Melo in the offseason if we so chose that route again. We still have a lot of picks and some cap space and a year to nab a marketable player.

Again I like Melo and I've been more ok with management up to this point than some of you. I felt Billy has a ton of pressure (to be honest, this is Yormack yapping more than Prohky. Brett is a great marketer but he's nuts and is probably the one barking heavily in Prohky's ear to push for a deal) of turning this franchise around as well as getting a "name player" or two that can be heavily marketed for Brooklyn. I just think the cost is getting (Please Use More Appropriate Word). They forget we're not moving until the 2012-2013 season...we have an ENTIRE year and a half from now to land one. Yes, guys like Melo are not offered every day, but I also not in the mood to take it up the butt like Toronto did when we landed Vince.
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Post#125 » by Punk » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:48 pm

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jamrock1975 wrote:knicks fan here and I am not trolling. I have read all the direct quotes from Carmelo Anthony as well as watched some of his interviews. I really don't care if he comes to the Knicks and Nets to be quite honest with you. I would love to have him as it would take pressure off of Stoudemire but we have bigger issues on defense more than anything else. We are no. 1 or 2 in the leauge in scoring we need players on the other side of the ball However what I will say is that I am almost 99% sure that Carmelo does not want to go the Nets based on the direct quotes I have read from him, as well as his reactions to when the Nets are brought up.

He will never come out and flat out say that he does not want to go the Nets, but his actions and words suggest he does not want. I can actually see Melo staying Denver before he goes to the Nets. The Nets are going through the same thing the Knicks did last year. They are not winning and they don't have any established players on their team. The best prized asset they have on New Jersey is Brooke and he seems to have regressed this year. The Knicks went ahead and upgraded with Stoudemire and Felton and set themselves to have cap space to sign Melo this off season and to have another impact player next season in preferably Deron Willims. Most Knicks fans would rather have Deron Williams over Chris Paul and I think management would view it the same way. The front office is going about it the wrong way, what they need to do is show Melo that they are committed to winning by making a trade before they come back to Melo and try to get someone who Melo can see himself playing with the next five years. Proky needs to let the front office do their job and stop pulling rank. The front office is losing credibility everyday by looking like a girl trying to go on a date with a guy and the guy doesn't want to hurt feelings.

Again I am not trolling and just really starting to see what's going on here. That statement about him being in the league for 9 years and wanting to be able to compete for championship in my opinion is a dig at the Nets because of their record. Answer this honestly if you were Carmelo Anthony would you go to a team that is 10-31? The longer this trade doesn't go through the sooner the nets will be out of playoff contention, there is still a month left to go before the trade deadline, they have the potential to lose another 7-10 games before the trade deadline and they would be out of the playoff race, he definitely wont' want to come then because this would be his first season not being in the playoffs. Just think about that

Pretty much agree with this, but just to let you know, it's basically impossible for you guys to get a max trio, so don't believe the hype some of your fellow Knix fans are posting, I debunked that theory a few times since the summer on the General and Trade Boards.

It's not impossible. But we don't really need it with Felton.

You'd have a 17ppg, 9Ast Guard (Felton), 26ppg SF (Melo), 26ppg Forward (Amare), 17ppg (Chandler). That in my opinion is better overall than just 1 bigtime superstar.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#126 » by jamrock1975 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:51 pm

I don't know if we can our will get any other max free agents to be honest. What I am saying is that we have cap flexibilty going forward. If the Nets do that trade that is being reported they handcuffed themselves going forward because they would give up most of their assets. Chris Paul is not coming to the Nets next year via trade with the NBA owning that team you can forget that. The best thing you guys should do is make a trade to upgrade the roster now before the trade deadline. All Carmelo sees right now is that the Nets are 10-31 that's it. He would like a hyprocrite sayings its about winning and go to a team that right now is on the outskirts of the plaoffs. If the Nuggets are indeed waiting to waiting until the Nets are pretty much out of the playoff race I don't think Melo agrees to an extension.
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Post#127 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:17 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:
jamrock1975 wrote:knicks fan here and I am not trolling. I have read all the direct quotes from Carmelo Anthony as well as watched some of his interviews. I really don't care if he comes to the Knicks and Nets to be quite honest with you. I would love to have him as it would take pressure off of Stoudemire but we have bigger issues on defense more than anything else. We are no. 1 or 2 in the leauge in scoring we need players on the other side of the ball However what I will say is that I am almost 99% sure that Carmelo does not want to go the Nets based on the direct quotes I have read from him, as well as his reactions to when the Nets are brought up.

He will never come out and flat out say that he does not want to go the Nets, but his actions and words suggest he does not want. I can actually see Melo staying Denver before he goes to the Nets. The Nets are going through the same thing the Knicks did last year. They are not winning and they don't have any established players on their team. The best prized asset they have on New Jersey is Brooke and he seems to have regressed this year. The Knicks went ahead and upgraded with Stoudemire and Felton and set themselves to have cap space to sign Melo this off season and to have another impact player next season in preferably Deron Willims. Most Knicks fans would rather have Deron Williams over Chris Paul and I think management would view it the same way. The front office is going about it the wrong way, what they need to do is show Melo that they are committed to winning by making a trade before they come back to Melo and try to get someone who Melo can see himself playing with the next five years. Proky needs to let the front office do their job and stop pulling rank. The front office is losing credibility everyday by looking like a girl trying to go on a date with a guy and the guy doesn't want to hurt feelings.

Again I am not trolling and just really starting to see what's going on here. That statement about him being in the league for 9 years and wanting to be able to compete for championship in my opinion is a dig at the Nets because of their record. Answer this honestly if you were Carmelo Anthony would you go to a team that is 10-31? The longer this trade doesn't go through the sooner the nets will be out of playoff contention, there is still a month left to go before the trade deadline, they have the potential to lose another 7-10 games before the trade deadline and they would be out of the playoff race, he definitely wont' want to come then because this would be his first season not being in the playoffs. Just think about that

Pretty much agree with this, but just to let you know, it's basically impossible for you guys to get a max trio, so don't believe the hype some of your fellow Knix fans are posting, I debunked that theory a few times since the summer on the General and Trade Boards.

It's not impossible. But we don't really need it with Felton.

You'd have a 17ppg, 9Ast Guard (Felton), 26ppg SF (Melo), 26ppg Forward (Amare), 17ppg (Chandler). That in my opinion is better overall than just 1 bigtime superstar.

Yes it is impossible.
And I know Knix fans are on this super homer high, but Felton isn't even a top ten point guard.

He's solid though, slightly above average for sure.

Explain to me how it's possible and I'll tear it to shreds and it will take me only a few sentences, not some long winded post either.
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Post#128 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:05 pm

^^^^^

It's the D'Antoni offense that is very PG friendly. I mean, Chris Duhon was putting up (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stats compared to his career averages last year. For what Felton is though, he is perfect for the system: Gets the ball to the open player (who can knock down the J) but has the ability to hit the mid-range jumper when open. D'Antoni has proved that you don't need a Nash-level PG to run this offense effectively.

But in the argument really, if Felton is a top 10 PG overall, he'd be #10 and no better. However, he's great for that system. There is no need to upgrade any more than him to tell you the truth if I was a knick fan. They don't need anymore scoring. They need a defensive stopper at the wing position and another one who can play the 4/5.

Unfortunately, like I've been saying to my Knick fan friends, the D'Antoni system will NEVER win an NBA championship no matter how many stars are on that team. They will never be able to beat a truly balanced champion caliber team in a 7 game series enough times to win it all. Those Suns teams in Nash's prime were (Please Use More Appropriate Word) good. How many titles did they win? ZERO. They clearly had more talent than a lot of teams, but a strong playoff caliber team will make the necessary adjustments to grind out 4 wins in a 7 game series.

I hope that doesn't sound like I'm Knick bashing too much because in all honesty, I don't mind their roster. If I were them I'd by trying nab bench help more than another name player. They have a great mix of vets and young guys with upside in their rotation, but just need a few tweeks, not an overhaul like going after Melo.

Oh well, I'm done with my rant.
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Post#129 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:24 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:^^^^^

It's the D'Antoni offense that is very PG friendly. I mean, Chris Duhon was putting up (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stats compared to his career averages last year. For what Felton is though, he is perfect for the system: Gets the ball to the open player (who can knock down the J) but has the ability to hit the mid-range jumper when open. D'Antoni has proved that you don't need a Nash-level PG to run this offense effectively.

But in the argument really, if Felton is a top 10 PG overall, he'd be #10 and no better. However, he's great for that system. There is no need to upgrade any more than him to tell you the truth if I was a knick fan. They don't need anymore scoring. They need a defensive stopper at the wing position and another one who can play the 4/5.

Unfortunately, like I've been saying to my Knick fan friends, the D'Antoni system will NEVER win an NBA championship no matter how many stars are on that team. They will never be able to beat a truly balanced champion caliber team in a 7 game series enough times to win it all. Those Suns teams in Nash's prime were (Please Use More Appropriate Word) good. How many titles did they win? ZERO. They clearly had more talent than a lot of teams, but a strong playoff caliber team will make the necessary adjustments to grind out 4 wins in a 7 game series.

I hope that doesn't sound like I'm Knick bashing too much because in all honesty, I don't mind their roster. If I were them I'd by trying nab bench help more than another name player. They have a great mix of vets and young guys with upside in their rotation, but just need a few tweeks, not an overhaul like going after Melo.

Oh well, I'm done with my rant.

IDK about Felton.
He certainly fits that system, but he doesn't run the pick and roll very well and Amar'e would benefit from that big time.

Also, although they could use a wing that could defend I guess, what's wrong with Chandler?

They need a star.

They absolutely need an overhaul. You're not winning any type of anything with one star, especially if your best player is Amar'e on his own.

As is, the Knix aren't even close to a contender. They're a 5 or 6 game first round K.O. for one of the big dogs.

You just don't win in this league without at least 2 stars, one a dominant big(which they have) and the other usually an elite wing.

You also need a solid point guard, which they have, so I will agree that they can get by with him.


As for D'Antoni's system and the zero title argument, I think that's very flawed.
They were this close to beating San Antone, but Stern leveled them with those ridiculous suspensions for leaving the bench and that's history.
IDK if they would have beat the Spurs, but they would have had a legit shot and been in control.
Who knows, but it's a flatout legitimate argument.
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Post#130 » by Punk » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:51 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:He certainly fits that system, but he doesn't run the pick and roll very well and Amar'e would benefit from that big time.

You don't watch enough Knick games I see.

Also, although they could use a wing that could defend I guess, what's wrong with Chandler?


He's a 4 not exactly at SF. When Gallo got hurt the last couple of weeks, Chandler played SF and was lackluster at best.

They need a star.


Umm not quite. We don't need a star. We would like Melo to elevate us to a elite status but we certainly are not desperate unlike other teams.

They absolutely need an overhaul. You're not winning any type of anything with one star, especially if your best player is Amar'e on his own.


Overhaul? You must me crazy or mistaken.

As is, the Knix aren't even close to a contender. They're a 5 or 6 game first round K.O. for one of the big dogs.


We've played well against the Lakers, Bulls, Magic, Celtics. The lack of size hurt us. Our FO has already addressed that as a main target in 2011 FA. Amare has alot of other scoring options. Depth is the only weakness.

You just don't win in this league without at least 2 stars, one a dominant big(which they have) and the other usually an elite wing.


I don't see the how that is possible when Orlando and Chicago don't hate an elite wing. Different teams have different styles that make them win in this league.

You also need a solid point guard, which they have, so I will agree that they can get by with him.


Pretty much. You don't need a superstar point guard to win.

As for D'Antoni's system and the zero title argument, I think that's very flawed.
They were this close to beating San Antone, but Stern leveled them with those ridiculous suspensions for leaving the bench and that's history.
IDK if they would have beat the Spurs, but they would have had a legit shot and been in control.
Who knows, but it's a flatout legitimate argument.


You can also add last year's Phoenix Suns team making it to the Western Conference Finals as well.

Our current team has a defensive point guard, MVP candidate, shot blocking, 3 point shooters, a few defenders. That's a good supporting cast. You add one of the best scorers in the NBA and a defensive, rebounding big man and you have a contender. IMO, we'd make more options than Orlando.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Part 2) 

Post#131 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:29 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:He certainly fits that system, but he doesn't run the pick and roll very well and Amar'e would benefit from that big time.

You don't watch enough Knick games I see.

Also, although they could use a wing that could defend I guess, what's wrong with Chandler?


He's a 4 not exactly at SF. When Gallo got hurt the last couple of weeks, Chandler played SF and was lackluster at best.

They need a star.


Umm not quite. We don't need a star. We would like Melo to elevate us to a elite status but we certainly are not desperate unlike other teams.

They absolutely need an overhaul. You're not winning any type of anything with one star, especially if your best player is Amar'e on his own.


Overhaul? You must me crazy or mistaken.

As is, the Knix aren't even close to a contender. They're a 5 or 6 game first round K.O. for one of the big dogs.


We've played well against the Lakers, Bulls, Magic, Celtics. The lack of size hurt us. Our FO has already addressed that as a main target in 2011 FA. Amare has alot of other scoring options. Depth is the only weakness.

You just don't win in this league without at least 2 stars, one a dominant big(which they have) and the other usually an elite wing.


I don't see the how that is possible when Orlando and Chicago don't hate an elite wing. Different teams have different styles that make them win in this league.

You also need a solid point guard, which they have, so I will agree that they can get by with him.


Pretty much. You don't need a superstar point guard to win.

As for D'Antoni's system and the zero title argument, I think that's very flawed.
They were this close to beating San Antone, but Stern leveled them with those ridiculous suspensions for leaving the bench and that's history.
IDK if they would have beat the Spurs, but they would have had a legit shot and been in control.
Who knows, but it's a flatout legitimate argument.


You can also add last year's Phoenix Suns team making it to the Western Conference Finals as well.

Our current team has a defensive point guard, MVP candidate, shot blocking, 3 point shooters, a few defenders. That's a good supporting cast. You add one of the best scorers in the NBA and a defensive, rebounding big man and you have a contender. IMO, we'd make more options than Orlando.

I just can't agree.

Name me a team outside of Detroit or Hakeem's Rockets that have ever won a title without two absolute stars.

You would probably have to go back to the 70's if there is even another one.

You need an elite wing/elite big combo, it's that simple.

Chicago is a bad argument because Rose takes the place of that elite wing.

Orlando is a semi good argument, but they actually have a bunch of wings that are near elite and share the load and they still aren't winning it all as is in my opinion without adding a true stud next to Dwight, although I would call them legit contenders.

Stars win in this league period. Amar'e is a very good player, one which I slept on and probably unfairly hated in the past, but he is not winning anything on his own. Maybe he leads his team to a first round upset one year, but absolutely not contenders just by adding role players and it's delusional to think otherwise.
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Post#132 » by treiz » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:46 pm

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xam2k7 wrote:i have been a melo advocate during this entire process but i think im starting to have a change of heart... 5 draft picks is absolutely amazing to have and maybe we could look elsewhere before the trading deadline to improve in a less cost-worthy, younger way.

one thing that i still stand by is harris HAS to go, and im still not that impressed with favors. but i think if we were to move them we could end up with better than melo and a couple of geezers


Im sort of going in this direction as well, but I dont think the Nets are trading all 5 of their first round picks but I might be wrong. This whole process is just pissing me off so much now that I just want it to end, Melo or not just let me hear one day "The Melo trade rumors are done and this is what happened". As far as 5 draft picks being amazing lets take a look at the last 5 picks the Nets have made.

Favors, James, Twill, Lopez, Anderson. Starting with Favors, hes still too young to come to a judgement on, so nobody can say he was worth the #3 pick or that he wasnt. Damion James is also still a rookie but I dont think anyone really sees him as an impact player. Twill was a failure. Lopez has been great. Ryan Anderson was very serviceable but hes been traded so it doesnt matter. Of the last 5 draft picks only Lopez has really been a high impact player on the borderline of being an all star. So Im not against trading draft picks for a proven player of Carmelos status.


That's the point of draft picks though, it's a risk, but it's at a very low cost. If they pan out, then the rewards will be amazing, and could push our ambitions further with the cost of anything.

Also, everybody knows that the best talents usually ends up from the lotto picks of the draft, you may get the occasional low-picks-great success here and there, but that's really rare, especially in the NBA. You could complain about scouting, but there's a reason why the lotto guys are taken in their spots.

I digress, anyway....

From our last 3 lotto picks we have TWill, Favors, and Brook. It's too early to tell for Favors so worst case scenario, we have a 50% success rate, even then I don't consider TWill a failure, he played great in his rookie year and seemed to have taken a sophomore slump, work ethic and what not he still has the talent to turn it around.

Lastly, Carmelo will not bring this team anywhere, why trade all of our assets for?
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Post#133 » by treiz » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:50 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:After what I've read the past 2 days, I'm starting to get angry with management too. Now, I've defended them up until this morning actually if you've read my posts, but the fact they are including Damion James and a 3rd first rounder is just ludacris for this deal.

If I was Billy King, this is what I'd do:

1. Call the Grizzlies and offer a package for Mayo/Thabeet or even Mayo/Z-Bo (he's an expiring) without giving up Favors or Brook. Maybe bring Portland into the deal and send Harris to Portland, Murphy/Andre Miller/First to Memphis. Never know maybe we can throw another player or pick at them to nab us Batum.

2. Tell the Nuggets to piss off. Their demands are so illogically wacked out that it's beyond rediculous now. If we drag our feet till the deadline, I'm so mad at this point that I am willing to take the chance of the Nuggets putting a last second deal to the Knicks together. If the deadline passes and the Nuggets don't buckle, I wouldn't lose any sleep and just focus on the rest of the season and make a push for Melo in the offseason if we so chose that route again. We still have a lot of picks and some cap space and a year to nab a marketable player.

Again I like Melo and I've been more ok with management up to this point than some of you. I felt Billy has a ton of pressure (to be honest, this is Yormack yapping more than Prohky. Brett is a great marketer but he's nuts and is probably the one barking heavily in Prohky's ear to push for a deal) of turning this franchise around as well as getting a "name player" or two that can be heavily marketed for Brooklyn. I just think the cost is getting (Please Use More Appropriate Word). They forget we're not moving until the 2012-2013 season...we have an ENTIRE year and a half from now to land one. Yes, guys like Melo are not offered every day, but I also not in the mood to take it up the butt like Toronto did when we landed Vince.


I don't mind the idea of trading for Mayo, but after this whole fiasco, every team in the league is going to try and mug us off, so if the Melo deal doesn't roll through and we're looking to trade, expect the other teams to demand a crapload.

But, I am all for the idea for telling Denver to **** off.
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Post#134 » by SteveNets15 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:46 pm

I want VC back on this team.He liked it here and would be a good fit with Melo.The best part is he loves to beat up the Knicks to :D
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Post#135 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:30 pm

Interesting article for those of us who like articles that involve reasoning and aren't just about "sources" that say random stuff:
Carmelo Anthony drama: 5 major myths

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Mulling the Melodrama can lead to many misconceptions. Allow us to help bring clarity to the situation.

Following the Carmelo Anthony drama the past few months has been exhausting. There have been so many things said, and so many printed, yet despite day-to-day updates on the on-again-off-again trade talks, what do we really know?

Here are the key facts as we know them:

1. Anthony is expected to sign a three-year contract extension worth nearly $65 million, most likely by the Feb. 24 trade deadline, or become a free agent after the season.

2. The Denver Nuggets have offered Anthony such an extension, but he has yet to sign.

3. The New Jersey Nets have made a strong, concerted effort to work out a multi-team trade for Anthony, which they'll be willing to complete if Anthony is willing to sign an extension with them.

4. Anthony has expressed a desire to return to New York, where he was born, preferably with the Knicks, although he might be willing to consider the Nets, as well.

After that, we have a lot of conflicting information.

Here are some of the unanswered questions:

Are the Nuggets ready and willing to pull the trigger on the Nets' offer of Derrick Favors, draft picks and cap space for Anthony?

The answers range from yes to maybe, depending on the source. While the reports that the Nuggets will give the Nets permission to talk to Anthony point to a strong yes, we've also heard that there has been no firm agreement in terms of the draft picks involved and how many bad contracts the Nuggets will insist on moving in the trade. From Henry Abbott and others we have heard informed speculation that the Nuggets want to drag this out as long as possible so that the Nets will lose more, improving the quality of the draft pick they would be sending to Denver.

Is Melo willing to sign an extension with the Nets?

The answers range from no to maybe, depending on the source. While some reports said that Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov was expecting to be granted a sitdown with Anthony this week, as of Monday evening, the meeting hadn't been arranged. While Prokhorov might be able to make a persuasive case and members of Anthony's team have given the Nets reason to believe he'd be amenable to signing with the Nets, there is also plenty of evidence that Melo is still holding out for the Knicks.

Could a third team -- besides the Knicks and Nets -- be in the running for Anthony?

Denver has been playing this part pretty close to the vest. The Rockets have been mentioned most often as a potential Anthony destination, but there could be other teams, too. The Mavericks are reportedly interested, and the Bobcats and Magic reportedly inquired earlier in the season.

In addition to all the unanswered questions, we have another issue in this case -- all the half-truths and untruths that have arisen, as they often do in such complex stories.

Some of these "myths" have to do with the overheated desires of fans that want Melo, and others just have to do with a misunderstanding of how the NBA's complicated trade and salary cap rules operate.

To clear up some misconceptions, let's address some of the biggest myths floating around:

Myth 1: The Knicks are willing to do whatever it takes to get Anthony, and they have the ability to match the Nets' offer.

This is really a pair of myths in one.

It's far from clear that the Knicks are ready to gut the roster to get Anthony. They want him, but the team is playing well and GM Donnie Walsh is loath to overpay.

Furthermore, now that Amare Stoudemire is playing like an MVP candidate, the Knicks aren't as desperate to land a superstar as the Nets are, especially when there's a chance they could land Anthony in free agency this summer (see Myth 2).

But even if the Knicks did want to attempt to match the Nets' offer, the deck is stacked against them. Not only are the Nets offering Favors (the one guy being discussed who has the potential to be as good as Anthony is down the road), they are also offering a great trade chip (Devin Harris), multiple late lottery to mid-first-round picks (likely their own this year and a top-eight-protected pick from the Warriors in 2012) and -- this is a key point -- massive cap relief this season and beyond.

The Knicks have talent they can throw the Nuggets' way. Wilson Chandler is having a terrific year, Danilo Gallinari has a bright future and Landry Fields was the steal of the draft, but the Nuggets don't value any of them as highly as they do Favors.

The Knicks currently don't have much to offer in the way of draft picks. They can't trade their first-round draft pick this year or in 2013 per NBA rules, and the Rockets own New York's 2012 pick. The Knicks have been talking about trading Anthony Randolph for a first-round pick -- with Minnesota, Portland and Indiana mentioned as possible trade destinations -- but sources say that these teams are unwilling to offer a high-quality first-round pick for Randolph. If the Knicks can get a first round pick for him, it will likely have protections on it, making it the equivalent of a mid-to-late-first-rounder.

Just as importantly, the Knicks can't offer the Nuggets nearly the amount of cap relief (this season or in the future) that the Nets can.

Basically there is nothing the Knicks can do to trump the Nets' offer.

Myth 2: The Knicks can just trade for Anthony after the season.

This myth has made the rounds in the New York media, but it's essentially untrue.

My colleague Larry Coon has covered this, but the bottom line is that once the trade deadline passes the Knicks' offer gets dramatically worse. The main problem is that they can no longer use Eddy Curry's expiring contract nor Chandler in a deal, because after the season teams can't trade players whose contracts are set to end or may end that summer.

Myth 3: If the Nuggets and Knicks can't reach a deal, Melo will just hold out and sign a max contract with the Knicks this summer via free agency.

He does have that option, but there are two big reasons that Knicks fans shouldn't count on this happening.

First, he's never indicated he's willing to take the risk involved in refusing to sign the extension that's on the table. In fact, I haven't spoken to one source in the league that thinks he would.

Why? If Melo becomes a free agent this year, he is suddenly risking more than $80 million -- a guaranteed $18.5 million next year plus almost $65 million in a three-year extension, which averages out to better than $20 million per season for four seasons, carrying him to age 31, when he could presumably get another big contract.

He could make some of that money back in free agency (barring health issues). But with the NBA's collective bargaining agreement set to expire on July 1, there is a great deal of uncertainty about the rules under which Anthony would sign his next contract if he decides to become a free agent.

Owners want to shorten the maximum length and dollar amount of contracts, lower the salary cap and install a hard salary cap. While it's unlikely the owners will get everything they want, they'll probably get some of it, which means it's almost certain that the best deal Anthony can get is between now and Feb. 24. That explains why the CBA is on his mind, as he confirmed in an ESPN interview last week.

Second, the Knicks don't have the cap space to sign Anthony to a max contract this summer.

Even if the team were to renounce key players Chandler and Shawne Williams, along with Curry, Kelenna Azubuike and Roger Mason, they would have only $12.5 million or so in cap space (assuming no changes in the league's salary cap). With Melo set to earn $18.5 million next year, that would be a huge pay cut.

If the Knicks were to trade Randolph for an expiring contract before the trade deadline, they would get another $2.9 million with which to work. After that, they'd likely try to move either Ronny Turiaf or Timofey Mozgov to clear the rest of the cap space they would need. Turiaf has an expiring contract and Mozgov's contract is only partially guaranteed that year, and both would have some value on the market. But knowing that the Knicks were desperate, teams would try to take advantage of them the same way Houston did at the trade deadline in 2009, when the Knicks were trying to get Jared Jeffries off their books.

It gets even more complicated. All of that assumes that the league has the same salary cap (about $58 million) that it did last year. But no one I have talked to believes that the salary cap will be as high when the new collective bargaining agreement takes effect. In that case, the Knicks would have to clear even more cap space.

So while it's not impossible for the Knicks to hand Anthony a max contract in free agency, it's not a slam dunk, and the Knicks are likely to lose several talented players in the process.

Myth 4: If the Nets or Knicks can get Anthony, they'll likely land a top-tier free agent such as Chris Paul, Dwight Howard or Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

It's possible but not particularly plausible. Again, the NBA salary cap rules are throwing a wrench in this fanboy dream.

While we don't know the particulars of the new CBA, it's likely to force down the salary cap and make it more difficult for teams to sign multiple max players. While some players might want to imagine future Miami Heat-style superteams, the owners are not as thrilled by this prospect.

Get Melo now and Chris Paul later? That could be just wishful thinking.

Even if the CBA were unchanged, the Nets and Knicks would not likely have the cap space in 2012 to sign another max free agent after signing Anthony in 2011.

The Nets' situation is the more complicated case. On paper, it looks like the team would be about $15 million under the cap going into the summer of 2012 (if they traded for Anthony, Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton, as has been discussed), but that does not figure in the large $9.2 million cap hold for Brook Lopez.

For a restricted free agent like Lopez, league rules require a team to set aside cap space, and this cap hold stays on the books, just like a real salary, until the team either renounces its rights to the player or signs him to a new deal. Lopez is a cornerstone piece for the Nets, so it's highly unlikely they'd renounce him. If they sign him, the going rate on centers of his caliber is a starting salary of at least $10 million, and maybe more. So, even under the current rules, that would leave the Nets with $5 million or less in cap room, far from the $18 million or so they'd need to sign a max free agent.

Yes, the Nets could start gutting their roster, as the Heat did in 2010. Hamilton would be in the last year of his contract (remember, only $9 million is guaranteed on Rip's last year) and perhaps the Nets could get other teams interested in Travis Outlaw and Jordan Farmar, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that they could clear the space they would need.

The Knicks have a slightly easier path, but it too is challenging.

Going into the summer of 2012, the team would be sitting at a payroll of around $43 million with just four players on their roster -- Anthony, Stoudemire, Toney Douglas and their 2011 first-round draft pick, with Raymond Felton departing as a free agent. Assuming a salary cap of $58 million, on paper it looks like they would be pretty close to having the ability to sign another max player. But Gallinari will be a restricted free agent and, like Lopez, have a large cap hold. The team would also incur what the league calls minimum cap holds to represent others player with minimum salaries that they would have to add to their roster. If the Knicks were to renounce Gallinari and not pick up Douglas' option, they would be close to having enough money to lure another elite free agent like Paul, Howard or Williams.

But as you can see, it would mean that Walsh would have to gut this current Knicks squad for it to happen.

Myth 5: Carmelo holds the cards.

This depends on one's point of view, but I think it's still the Nuggets who hold the most leverage.

I took negotiation theory in law school, in which we studied the idea of BATNA -- Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement.

The idea behind BATNA is that rational parties determine the best alternative to the ideal agreement.

So if the Nuggets can't convince Anthony to sign an extension in Denver, what is their best alternative?

If Anthony can't convince the Nuggets to trade him to the Knicks, what is his best alternative?

For the Nuggets, it's pretty straightforward. If he won't sign in Denver, they trade him and get back assets. Losing Anthony to free agency and getting nothing in return is an option that no one is seriously considering in Denver. What they get for him is still up in the air, but they're determined to get something for him.

For Anthony, it's more complicated. If he really wants to play for the Knicks, and to win, the easiest path is for him to wait until this summer and then negotiate with the Knicks as a free agent. He might lose a lot of money (as discussed in Myth 3), but hey, he'd be with the Knicks.

If what Anthony really wants is financial security in the form of $80-plus million, his best alternative is to agree to an extension with the Nets. He won't be with the Knicks, but he'll have his money and pretty soon he'll be playing in Brooklyn, N.Y.

If the Nuggets believe the former (that Anthony really wants to go to the Knicks, no matter what), he has a lot of control. In that case, the Nuggets may feel as though the Knicks have the best available offer, since that would likely mean the Nets have been eliminated from the discussion.

But if the Nuggets believe the latter (that Anthony really wants the financial security first and foremost), they hold the cards.

So which is it? Up to this point, Anthony hasn't stated he's willing to wait and see how the chips fall in the offseason, as far as we know. In fact, his agent, Leon Rose, seems to be signaling the opposite. The fervor with which Rose has tried to broker a deal is a sign that Anthony doesn't want to wait. If Anthony really was open to waiting until this summer to resolve things, he could have made that clear to the Nuggets. And that, in turn, would be the strongest negotiating move in his arsenal to get the Nuggets to work out something with the Knicks.

Regardless of who holds the cards, it remains an often-fascinating, sometimes-tiresome game of poker as we approach the Feb. 24 trade deadline.
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Post#136 » by KL78192020 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:37 pm

So according to CBS source he is unwilling to sign with anyone but the Knicks or Nuggets? Just come out at say it then. He might as well do what Lebron and Bosh did if he's going to put such limits on the Nuggets.

The Knicks knowing this have no pressure to give up anything of value.
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Post#137 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:53 pm

Money, wins, family, looming lockout -- 'Melo is weighing it all
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Carmelo Anthony walked past a line of buffet trays and shook his head. "No meat, no bread, no sweets," he said last Wednesday when we met in the Nuggets' player lounge for a 40-minute interview. "I'm in day four for 21 days. It's a personal fast, that's all."

Larger issues than his next meal are facing Anthony. As detailed in my story in Sports Illustrated this week, the Nuggets star small forward has spent the last six months attempting to leverage his way out of Denver in time to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with a team of his choosing.

Anthony understands the risks of declining that extension with the Nuggets. "People just see the fact that I haven't signed that contract right now and [they think] I don't care about this city, I don't care about the team, I just want to leave, I just want to be selfish, it's about money," he said. "If it was just about money, I would have been signed for $65-mill. Who in their right mind would leave $65 million if it was about money?"

He wasn't denying the importance of money; he was insisting the location of his next team is also important. "That's the best of both worlds," he said. Later he added, "All my family is East -- back home."

SI: Carmelo says he 'would never do it like LeBron did'

When I pressed him about moving to New York -- it is known that he wants to play for the Knicks, while the Nets [who are moving to Brooklyn in 2012] are most likely to complete a trade for him -- he hinted at other issues, as well. "Right now it's hard for me to explain my reasoning behind the madness," he said with a smile. "But it's a lot of things that come into play. Whether it's the future of the organization or where they're headed or where they're trying to go, or whether it's contractual stuff with players and guys that are up [to be free agents] at the same time. People don't really know that type of stuff. They just think that I'm being stubborn and I just want to get up and leave -- just throw away eight years of my life."

Anthony said the ongoing collective bargaining negotiations between the league and its players have created a sense of urgency for him. "I've been sitting in meetings with the owners and seeing what is their problem with everything," he said. "I've been in several of the meetings to know what the problem is and what's going on. It's going to take some time to get the owners and the players on the same page."

Is there going to be a lockout?

"Oh, without a doubt," he said. "Without a doubt."

So that's another reason to sign the extension now, I said.

"Exactly."

You could wait until the summer, I went on, but there is no telling which teams may have cap space or what the rules of the next CBA will allow you to do as a free agent.

"Everything you say right now, I lie on the table and try to break down every situation, every scenario," he said. "Everything you're saying, I've already [put] thought into it. You don't know what the future's going to bring. That's how I have to look at it, because I don't really know what's going to happen in the future."

Anthony is essentially trying to leverage his rights as a free agent months before he can opt out of his contract this summer. He is in this predicament because he chose in 2006 to sign a full five-year contract (with an opt-out for this summer), while LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh -- who all entered the NBA with Anthony in the 2003 draft -- negotiated shorter deals that enabled them to become free agents in 2010, the last summer of the current financial rules.

"I just wanted some security," Anthony said of his 2006 choice. "I felt like I was secure in my situation at the time. I had no worries, I was happy being here, happy being around the guys who were on the team, so I never really paid attention to the CBA coming up. I shouldn't say I wasn't paying attention, but I wasn't knowledgeable of what it can be."

While his desire to leave has put the Nuggets in the difficult position of breaking up a 23-17 playoff contender, it has also given them an opportunity to exchange Anthony for more assets than were received by the Cavaliers or Raptors, who last summer lost James and Bosh, respectively, while receiving little value in return. That's why Anthony has been able to tell reporters whether he was close to being traded -- because he has maintained a constructive relationship with Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri and president Josh Kroenke.

"If there's anything he needed to talk to me about, the lines of communication are open," Anthony said of Ujiri. "Same thing with Josh --we had some great conversations. We sit and talk often."

Would Anthony sign an extension with the Nets if they were able to complete a trade for him? He wouldn't tell me, but he indicated Ujiri knows the answer. "If he wanted to know, he could come and ask me," said Anthony. "There's nothing that's been said in the paper that we haven't talked about already, and there's things that I know and he know that has not gotten out there and that people don't even know about right now."

After spending last week in Denver, my understanding -- and no one has told me this explicitly -- is that Anthony would be likely to accept a meeting with the Nets if they could negotiate the terms of a trade. The only reason to stiff New Jersey would be in hope of forcing a trade to the Knicks. But if the Nuggets can't move to Anthony to the Nets, then they may choose to deal him to the Rockets or any number of other teams who have shown interest in acquiring him on a for-rental basis with the risk that he'll depart as a free agent after the season.

If he were to rule out the Nets as a long-term destination, then he may be sent to who knows where? for the remainder of the season -- and then come to realize after the lockout that he has no options to leave if, for example, the owners enact a "franchise player" rule in the next CBA that allows each team to designate one star to be re-signed automatically.

The Knicks are surely a more alluring franchise than the Nets. But the Knicks also happen to be Amar'e Stoudemire's team now, while the Nets would be built around Anthony's finishing skills. Anthony was born in Brooklyn, so the Nets' move to their new arena in 2012-13 would be billed as his homecoming -- the House 'Melo Built.

Anthony is not the first star of his era to deal with these issues. Chris Paul -- who is rumored to want to follow Anthony to New Jersey or New York as a free agent in 2012 -- asked the Hornets last summer to improve the talent around him. When James, Wade and Bosh moved to Miami, all three were insistent about wanting to share the responsibilities offensively. Anthony told me he texts often with Paul, James, Wade and Kobe Bryant, who has won two championships since he was paired with All-Star big man Pau Gasol.

"Everybody growing up says, 'I wish I could play with this guy, I wish I could play with that guy," he said. "I've always been an individual -- I always did things on my own, I always wanted to lead my own way, and I think I've done a great job here. By making this city fun, making this organization fun and people wanting to watch Denver Nuggets basketball, I think I've done a great job with that.

"But there comes a time where maybe that burden gets too heavy. But that's not going to stop me from going out and doing what I'm doing. I'm pretty sure everybody goes through it. LeBron went through it in Cleveland, D-Wade went through it in Miami. But then they got people. Kobe went through it at L.A. -- he definitely was going through it until they got Gasol and they got Lamar [Odom] and all them guys. Everybody goes through it, especially the offensive players, the great players."

Anthony noted that James was criticized last summer after he took less money to move to a team where he was likely to score fewer points.

"It's a sacrificial story for a guy of that caliber to say, OK, I'm going to leave the place where I am The Guy on the team, and to sacrifice his game to go partner up with two players down there. And to say, I'm going to do what I've got to do to buy into the program, to buy into the team and do what I've got to do to try to win the championship -- I don't see anything wrong with that.

"Maybe the way he went about it and the whole situation, I could see why people were mad at that. But as far as him sacrificing and doing the things for that team to be successful, I don't see nothing wrong with that."

Anthony has remained upbeat in spite of the criticism he has earned this season. "I got to," he said. "It would be hard for me to frown knowing that I still have to go out there and compete at the highest level. So for me to go out there and be moping around and frowning, and every time somebody says something I may not like and turn back quick and say something back, or put my head down -- that wouldn't be me.

"It's much better to be in a happy place within yourself."

Good, interesting article. Although it still doesn't make sense about Melo's relationship with management. If you're so tight with management and you know they have your back, then why haven't you signed the extension? If you're really considering NJ, why are you allowing Denver to take more pieces from your potential future team by delaying an agree to meet with Proky? If Melo has considered all of these options, why is this playing out so poorly?
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Post#138 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:54 pm

ozzykhan16 wrote:So according to CBS source he is unwilling to sign with anyone but the Knicks or Nuggets? Just come out at say it then. He might as well do what Lebron and Bosh did if he's going to put such limits on the Nuggets.

The Knicks knowing this have no pressure to give up anything of value.


He can't do that unless he wants to get some big ol' fines.
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Post#139 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:02 pm

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jman3134 wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjS0NeVxGZlPkPc8WSY0nFW8vLYF?slug=aw-netsanthony011711

Any thoughts?


Wojnarowski is a grade A level douche nozzle. He seems like a just terrible terrible human being. His editor must really hate him too since this sentence somehow go through without correction...

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I believe the word you're looking for is 'series' Adrian. Keep up the barely tabloid level quality writing Woj! :roll: :lol:


Wow, you're really going to bust his balls over one incorrect use of words?

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No, I'm busting his balls for being a hack. I just thought I'd point out a pretty egregious word error by a supposedly "professional" sports writer.
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Post#140 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:42 pm

Woj isn't a hack, he's the best in the biz IMO, although there was a lot of venom in that article.

I tend to agree with most all of it though, except the convincing Melo to sign with a meeting thing, I see nothing wrong with that, this is basically midseason free agency.
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