Trading Devin Harris

jeff1624 · Post #1 » by **jeff1624** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:45 pm

I think it's time we start discussing potential trades for Devin in case the 'Melo deal falls apart. I'm a fan, but it's obvious we're gonna have to trade him since the FO has made it clear he isn't in our longterm plans.

DusterBuster · Post #2 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:04 pm

I have to imagine the Blazers would quick to call for him if they do decide to trade Harris even without the Melo trade.

Jersey Generals · Post #3 » by **Jersey Generals** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:09 pm

Should have traded him two years ago for Memphis' second overall pick when the Nets had a chance. Does anyone have a time machine?

Netaman · Post #4 » by **Netaman** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:16 pm

Andre Miller and a first. Do it tonight. Harris has turned into a huge cancer thanks to the circus.

Preludepunk27 · Post #5 » by **Preludepunk27** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:25 pm

I'm definitely open to trading Devin even though I'm still high on him. I would love to keep him if we got some stars on our roster because he really excels when he's the 3rd or 4th scoring option on the team. When he's 1 or 2, he can't do a damn thing.

Either way, if we got good return for him, ship him out.

DusterBuster · Post #6 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:41 pm

Netaman wrote:Andre Miller and a first. Do it tonight. Harris has turned into a huge cancer thanks to the circus.

Done and done.

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:44 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:Should have traded him two years ago for Memphis' second overall pick when the Nets had a chance. Does anyone have a time machine?

Was that actual deal available and we turned it down?!

Me no remember that.

vincecarter4pres · Post #8 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:46 pm

Netaman wrote:Andre Miller and a first. Do it tonight. Harris has turned into a huge cancer thanks to the circus.

Agreed.

Devin sucks balls and I can't wait til he's gone.

I was once a fan, but he's just terrible.

Maybe he can resurrect his career in Portland or Dallas, who I think will be the two to actively pursue him.

At this point, I hope we can get anything other then an expiring back, GM's around the league must be licking their chops, sizing up our roster and this armchair front office.

JoseRizal · Post #9 » by **JoseRizal** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:11 am

I was hoping we could get VC instead of Rip. Devin excels playing with playmaking SG's like Carter.

But right now he's totally out of it. Blame it in trade rumours? Blame it in the media? Blame it in our FO? Regardless, he's been totally useless the past few games as if he stopped trying and caring...

xam2k7 · Post #10 » by **xam2k7** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:25 am

first of all, duster buster's avatar messes my comp up every time i scroll down on it does that happen to anyone else?

as for dharris if we could get a first AND andre miller that would be sick. especially if we threw in outlaw and got back matthews or something. that would just be great.

vincecarter4pres · Post #11 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:49 am

Oh man, just to think we could have signed Matthews instead of Tragic Outlol. :blank:

JoseRizal · Post #12 » by **JoseRizal** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:11 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Oh man, just to think we could have signed Matthews instead of Tragic Outlol.

... as well as Dorrell Wright

xam2k7 · Post #13 » by **xam2k7** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:46 am

JoseRizal wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Oh man, just to think we could have signed Matthews instead of Tragic Outlol.

... as well as Dorrell Wright

as well as boozer. as well as lebron. etc etc. but now we gotta go out and get these guys, and getting rid of devin is the first step!

Jersey Generals · Post #14 » by **Jersey Generals** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:56 am

The pick that comes back from Portland in that deal is going to be crappy anyway. The team might blow it all up if Roy's surgeries don't work, they're not going to risk losing a high pick like that. Heavily protected, akin to the Rockets pick, is what I would guess would be the return.

DusterBuster · Post #15 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:44 am

xam2k7 wrote:first of all, duster buster's avatar messes my comp up every time i scroll down on it does that happen to anyone else?

I don't think so. Maybe your computer has AIDS or something.

xam2k7 wrote:as for dharris if we could get a first AND andre miller that would be sick. especially if we threw in outlaw and got back matthews or something. that would just be great.

LOL @ the bold sentence. Not a chance in HELL the Blazers give you guys Matthews for a WILDLY overpaid Outlaw. That's downright insulting to even think the Blazers would consider that. If Portland has to take on Outlaw, you won't be getting more talent in return. In fact, you'd get less assets. If the Blazers had to take Outlaw along with Harris, the MOST they would offer is Miller and Przybilla. No picks and no young players. Outlaw has massive negative value, you're not going to get more talent if you threw him into the deal.

Jersey Generals wrote:The pick that comes back from Portland in that deal is going to be crappy anyway. The team might blow it all up if Roy's surgeries don't work, they're not going to risk losing a high pick like that. Heavily protected, akin to the Rockets pick, is what I would guess would be the return.

This is correct. The Blazers have 2 first round picks. Their own and the Hornets pick which is only Top 7 protected. They'd probably only offer their own pick with full lotto protection. With Camby going down, I suspect the Blazers are going to make a hard push to get Anthony Randolph from NY, so they'll probably use the Hornets pick to get him.

Portland won't blow the whole team up if Roy's surgeries don't work. Obviously they're going to keep Aldridge who has turned into an absolute beast of a player, Matthews has been VERY good, and the team is still really high on Batum, so that is likely going to be the core that they'll reshape the team around. It won't be a full on rebuild, more of a re-tooling.

jeff1624 · Post #16 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:40 am

DusterBuster wrote:
xam2k7 wrote:first of all, duster buster's avatar messes my comp up every time i scroll down on it does that happen to anyone else?

I don't think so. Maybe your computer has AIDS or something.

xam2k7 wrote:as for dharris if we could get a first AND andre miller that would be sick. especially if we threw in outlaw and got back matthews or something. that would just be great.

LOL @ the bold sentence. Not a chance in HELL the Blazers give you guys Matthews for a WILDLY overpaid Outlaw. That's downright insulting to even think the Blazers would consider that. If Portland has to take on Outlaw, you won't be getting more talent in return. In fact, you'd get less assets. If the Blazers had to take Outlaw along with Harris, the MOST they would offer is Miller and Przybilla. No picks and no young players. Outlaw has massive negative value, you're not going to get more talent if you threw him into the deal.

Jersey Generals wrote:The pick that comes back from Portland in that deal is going to be crappy anyway. The team might blow it all up if Roy's surgeries don't work, they're not going to risk losing a high pick like that. Heavily protected, akin to the Rockets pick, is what I would guess would be the return.

This is correct. The Blazers have 2 first round picks. Their own and the Hornets pick which is only Top 7 protected. They'd probably only offer their own pick with full lotto protection. With Camby going down, I suspect the Blazers are going to make a hard push to get Anthony Randolph from NY, so they'll probably use the Hornets pick to get him.

Portland won't blow the whole team up if Roy's surgeries don't work. Obviously they're going to keep Aldridge who has turned into an absolute beast of a player, Matthews has been VERY good, and the team is still really high on Batum, so that is likely going to be the core that they'll reshape the team around. It won't be a full on rebuild, more of a re-tooling.

Deal

Revolutionistt · Post #17 » by **Revolutionistt** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:57 pm

Oh man, the members at realgm.com never cease to amaze me. Now im all for trading Devin Harris, but how did some of you go from "Devin is a potential top 10 PG" to wanting to trade him for Andre Miller and a draft pick??? So alot of you are against trading Favors, Harris and 2 draft picks for Melo, Billups and RIP, but would ship out Harris, a "potential top 10 pg" for Miller and a pick that might not even be in the lottery??? I like you all, but sometimes when I read these posts I think im listening to a Sarah Palin speech. Ok that was hitting below the belt :lol:

Netaman · Post #18 » by **Netaman** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:25 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:Oh man, the members at realgm.com never cease to amaze me. Now im all for trading Devin Harris, but how did some of you go from "Devin is a potential top 10 PG" to wanting to trade him for Andre Miller and a draft pick??? So alot of you are against trading Favors, Harris and 2 draft picks for Melo, Billups and RIP, but would ship out Harris, a "potential top 10 pg" for Miller and a pick that might not even be in the lottery??? I like you all, but sometimes when I read these posts I think im listening to a Sarah Palin speech. Ok that was hitting below the belt

Harris had a chance to show he was a more then a complementary player this year and he hasn't done it. That simple. This team has been in how many close games and lost? You have to put a lot of blame on our PG who simply doesn't make anyone else on the floor better at all. He has peaked. He's a useful player but he is not a building block and he is always going to be injury prone. He is nowhere close to the Paul, Rondo, Rose, Williams, Wall, Westbrook, Nash - so right there he is not even close to the top 7.

Obviously his recent play has dragged him down even further, I'm guessing due to the chaos around this team. I don't entirely blame him but at this point I would almost consider Miller or Billups an upgrade. Harris does nothing to help Lopez grow, consistently turns the ball over, and simply has no vision - which is especially frustrating when this team blows 6-10 fast break points per game.

BTW Outlaw + Harris for Pryz and Miller is a done deal. Signed, sealed, and delivered. Then this offseason use our draft picks and sign Jeff Green. Miller - Morrow - Green - Favors - Lopez. With Miller exp. we should have some cap flexibility to go after CP3 or DWill next year, not to mention plenty of draft picks/young assets.

jeff1624 · Post #19 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:35 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:Oh man, the members at realgm.com never cease to amaze me. Now im all for trading Devin Harris, but how did some of you go from "Devin is a potential top 10 PG" to wanting to trade him for Andre Miller and a draft pick??? So alot of you are against trading Favors, Harris and 2 draft picks for Melo, Billups and RIP, but would ship out Harris, a "potential top 10 pg" for Miller and a pick that might not even be in the lottery??? I like you all, but sometimes when I read these posts I think im listening to a Sarah Palin speech. Ok that was hitting below the belt

First of all I would be against trading Devin since I'm a fan and he'd be perfect as a 3rd scorer, but with the way the FO has handled the potential 'Melo trade it's clear they don't have Devin in their long term plans. If you've seen the past 2-3 games it's obvious Devin has checked and is expecting to be traded anyday now.. Having a player like that is not ideal.

Secondly the 'Melo trade and that potential Portland/new jersey trade aren't comparable at all. Most of us didn't want to include Devin because the point of trading for 'Melo is to compete NOW and in the foreseeable future.. by trading him to Denver we would either get back a 34 year old Billups OR we're forced to start Farmar. It's obvious why we would do a miller/przybilla for Harris/outlaw or 1st trade.

vincecarter4pres · Post #20 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:23 pm

Netaman wrote:
Revolutionistt wrote:Oh man, the members at realgm.com never cease to amaze me. Now im all for trading Devin Harris, but how did some of you go from "Devin is a potential top 10 PG" to wanting to trade him for Andre Miller and a draft pick??? So alot of you are against trading Favors, Harris and 2 draft picks for Melo, Billups and RIP, but would ship out Harris, a "potential top 10 pg" for Miller and a pick that might not even be in the lottery??? I like you all, but sometimes when I read these posts I think im listening to a Sarah Palin speech. Ok that was hitting below the belt

Harris had a chance to show he was a more then a complementary player this year and he hasn't done it. That simple. This team has been in how many close games and lost? You have to put a lot of blame on our PG who simply doesn't make anyone else on the floor better at all. He has peaked. He's a useful player but he is not a building block and he is always going to be injury prone. He is nowhere close to the Paul, Rondo, Rose, Williams, Wall, Westbrook, Nash - so right there he is not even close to the top 7.

Obviously his recent play has dragged him down even further, I'm guessing due to the chaos around this team. I don't entirely blame him but at this point I would almost consider Miller or Billups an upgrade. Harris does nothing to help Lopez grow, consistently turns the ball over, and simply has no vision - which is especially frustrating when this team blows 6-10 fast break points per game.

BTW Outlaw + Harris for Pryz and Miller is a done deal. Signed, sealed, and delivered. Then this offseason use our draft picks and sign Jeff Green. Miller - Morrow - Green - Favors - Lopez. With Miller exp. we should have some cap flexibility to go after CP3 or DWill next year, not to mention plenty of draft picks/young assets.

Said perfectly.