Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[sixers hoops]

^ nope. Speights is finally starting to buy into Collins philosophy, he's not a throw in. I've only seen a little of Aminu play and haven't been overly impressed at all. Johnson/Batum would be two SF's I'd target before i'd even think Aminu.

I like Aminu, but I am a big Speights guy. He is a starter-caliber player when he works hard and gets minutes.

Look at his last 4 games in limited minutes.
10 pts, 7 rbs in 14 min
14 pts, 9 rbs in 25 min
7 pts, 2 rbs in 9 min
10 pts, 6 rbs in 19 min

If Speights starts earning consistent minutes, I think he clearly has the talent to be a starting big man. Granted, he has been lazy and loves to shoot the 16 footer.

I'd like Aminu if Speights weren't involved.

[Foshan]

^ i wouldn't be horribly opposed to Aminu (though i think his ceiling is a T.Young), I'd much rather try for W.Johnson then Batum then... Aminu's on the list there somewhere.

[Soren]

^ nope. Speights is finally starting to buy into Collins philosophy, he's not a throw in. I've only seen a little of Aminu play and haven't been overly impressed at all. Johnson/Batum would be two SF's I'd target before i'd even think Aminu.

I like Aminu, but I am a big Speights guy. He is a starter-caliber player when he works hard and gets minutes.

Look at his last 4 games in limited minutes.
10 pts, 7 rbs in 14 min
14 pts, 9 rbs in 25 min
7 pts, 2 rbs in 9 min
10 pts, 6 rbs in 19 min

If Speights starts earning consistent minutes, I think he clearly has the talent to be a starting big man. Granted, he has been lazy and loves to shoot the 16 footer.

That said, I still REALLY want a big back for Iguodala, as well as someone slightly more respectable we could start at the offguard spot to space the offense better for Turner/Jruth

I'd like Aminu if Speights weren't involved.

Speights has been about a 44% shooter for his career from 16-23 which is absolutely excellent for a big and makes the pick and roll a real threat. The bigger issue is the lazyness, the awful defense and the complete inability to pass the ball. Seriously, a career 0.5 assists per game.

[Fire Mchale]

love even when other fans thinks he is overpaid...lol

Actually there are posters on the Min board who are on board with a Iggy for Wes/Pek/uta1st

So not everyone drinks your brand of hatorade.

I think the Wolves would consider Wes and Pek, but I think it's a foregone consclusions that the Wolves will wind up sending the Utah pick to New York with Telfair for Anthony Randolph. If that deal does go down, it will allow the Wolves some incentive/ability to move Pek since Randolph will make it easier for us to go small.

I have to admit, however, that if the Wolves did offer this package, there are probably more rubes will be angry about it than those happy about it. I think the move makes sense, gives the Wolves a presence at the 2 and gives the Sixers an absolutely pure shooter......with no handle.

[old rem]

^ nope. Speights is finally starting to buy into Collins philosophy, he's not a throw in. I've only seen a little of Aminu play and haven't been overly impressed at all. Johnson/Batum would be two SF's I'd target before i'd even think Aminu.

I like Aminu, but I am a big Speights guy. He is a starter-caliber player when he works hard and gets minutes.

Look at his last 4 games in limited minutes.
10 pts, 7 rbs in 14 min
14 pts, 9 rbs in 25 min
7 pts, 2 rbs in 9 min
10 pts, 6 rbs in 19 min

If Speights starts earning consistent minutes, I think he clearly has the talent to be a starting big man. Granted, he has been lazy and loves to shoot the 16 footer.

That said, I still REALLY want a big back for Iguodala, as well as someone slightly more respectable we could start at the offguard spot to space the offense better for Turner/Jruth

I'd like Aminu if Speights weren't involved.

Speights has been about a 44% shooter for his career from 16-23 which is absolutely excellent for a big and makes the pick and roll a real threat. The bigger issue is the lazyness, the awful defense and the complete inability to pass the ball. Seriously, a career 0.5 assists per game.

Yes.

I liked his offense a year ago. The deal is he gets limited minutes because score is ALL he consistantly does,making him kind of Eddy Curry-Lite. Like...you can trade him for any top 10 pick of the last draft? NO CHANCE. None.....nada

Oh...rather trade Speights for Wesley Johnson. If the Wolves said YES...that tells ya Johnson just got hit by a train and will arrive in Philly in pieces.

[old rem]

Why does one of the worst teams in the league trade their young promising huge upside center for an almost 30 injury prone center?

the potential to get him to grow out his "hair" again! that by itself is worth the trade!

he looks taller in that picture.

[HartfordWhalers]

/quote="Foshan"^ nope. Speights is finally starting to buy into Collins philosophy, he's not a throw in. I've only seen a little of Aminu play and haven't been overly impressed at all. Johnson/Batum would be two SF's I'd target before i'd even think Aminu./quote

I like Aminu, but I am a big Speights guy. He is a starter-caliber player when he works hard and gets minutes.

Look at his last 4 games in limited minutes.
10 pts, 7 rbs in 14 min
14 pts, 9 rbs in 25 min
7 pts, 2 rbs in 9 min
10 pts, 6 rbs in 19 min

If Speights starts earning consistent minutes, I think he clearly has the talent to be a starting big man. Granted, he has been lazy and loves to shoot the 16 footer.

That said, I still REALLY want a big back for Iguodala, as well as someone slightly more respectable we could start at the offguard spot to space the offense better for Turner/Jruth

I'd like Aminu if Speights weren't involved.

Speights has been about a 44% shooter for his career from 16-23 which is absolutely excellent for a big and makes the pick and roll a real threat. The bigger issue is the lazyness, the awful defense and the complete inability to pass the ball. Seriously, a career 0.5 assists per game.

Yes.

I liked his offense a year ago. The deal is he gets limited minutes because score is ALL he consistantly does,making him kind of Eddy Curry-Lite. Like...you can trade him for any top 10 pick of the last draft? NO CHANCE. None.....nada

Oh...rather trade Speights for Wesley Johnson. If the Wolves said YES...that tells ya Johnson just got hit by a train and will arrive in Philly in pieces.

Ugh. If you don't read, don't respond? No one here said they would rather trade Speights for Wes...

Was the topic TITLE not a tip off?

[Foshan]

Seriously, hopping into a random thread blasting comments out of context and sealing it with an emo-smiley is all the rage on RealGM.

[tgo2223]

I think wes would be perfect for this teams lineup. Meeks doesnt have a handle thefore he doesnt hold the ball long which allows jrue and iggy to do what the do best. Wes could do the same (but better overall player with more potential) for jrue and turner

[sixers hoops]

Speights has been about a 44% shooter for his career from 16-23 which is absolutely excellent for a big and makes the pick and roll a real threat. The bigger issue is the lazyness, the awful defense and the complete inability to pass the ball. Seriously, a career 0.5 assists per game.

I agree, but I think in the last 7 games since he got that start and has been playing more regular minutes, he is defending and passing better. He had 11 assists in the first 30 games or so, but has had 7 in the last 7 games. He is showing some improvement, so I would like to see more.

[Soren]

he looks taller in that picture.

[Skates]

Iggy to GS, who are now trying to emphasize some D under Keith Smart, for Dorell Wright, Udoh and Gadzuric.

We want a distance shooter and Wright is that plus has a reasonable contract. Udoh is a raw 23 yo rookie, likely with limited upside, but could be the defensive minded half of a Center/PF rotation by next year. Gadzuric is just an expiring contract as what little game he had expired long ago.

Iggy's passing could help on a team where both of their PG's are really shooting guards in Curry and Ellis, plus he can defend at the 2 and 3 for them.

Wright is taller, young, a decent defnder anda shooter who doesn't handle that much (likely because he can't), but might be a fit with Turner/Holiday/Young/Williams. Udoh will never be a dominant guy, but might be decent shotblocker/board man to pair with Speights.

If I am GS, I ask for Brackins too, who would seem to be a fit in their system off the bench.

Thoughts?

[Fire Mchale]

I think wes would be perfect for this teams lineup. Meeks doesnt have a handle thefore he doesnt hold the ball long which allows jrue and iggy to do what the do best. Wes could do the same (but better overall player with more potential) for jrue and turner

Wes is an absolutely pure shooter and buries open 3s all day long. The problem is that he utlra athletic and will throw down a ridiculous dunk making you wish he would be more aggressive and take it to the hole more often.......and he never will. I would hope for a more complete game at 23, but he is capable of being a strong defensive player with great shooting range, just don't expect him to dunk in anyone's face.

[Fire Mchale]

Iggy to GS, who are now trying to emphasize some D under Keith Smart, for Dorell Wright, Udoh and Gadzuric.

We want a distance shooter and Wright is that plus has a reasonable contract. Udoh is a raw 23 yo rookie, likely with limited upside, but could be the defensive minded half of a Center/PF rotation by next year. Gadzuric is just an expiring contract as what little game he had expired long ago.

Iggy's passing could help on a team where both of their PG's are really shooting guards in Curry and Ellis, plus he can defend at the 2 and 3 for them.

Wright is taller, young, a decent defnder anda shooter who doesn't handle that much (likely because he can't), but might be a fit with Turner/Holiday/Young/Williams. Udoh will never be a dominant guy, but might be decent shotblocker/board man to pair with Speights.

If I am GS, I ask for Brackins too, who would seem to be a fit in their system off the bench.

Thoughts?

If the GM for Philly can pull this off, he should be GM of the year. Wright is a solid, young player with an affordable contract and Udoh is a lottery pick 20 games into his career. I'm not sure a 27-year-old Iggy at 14M a year is the return GS would want for those players. I think it's a great deal for Philly, but I can't see GS going for it.

[SJSF]

his money is able to kill any deal

[Fire Mchale]

his money is able to kill any deal

That's where I think Philly's GM needs to avoid getting greedy and just move the guy this year. Whether he wants to admit it or not, he's rebuilding and Iggy and Brand's deals are killers. Move Iggy this and Brand next year and do your best to not add contracts. If that means getting poor value in return, sometimes you just have to eat it to make the team better down the line. As it sits, you have a great player in Holiday and Turner hasn't had much of a chance to prove himself. Start with that and your pick this year and build off of that. If you could get Wes Johnson from MN, you take it and move on IMO.

[Skates]

his money is able to kill any deal

No, Brand's money kills any deal involving him. Iggy's contract reduces the talent you get in return for him to an unequal basis, you don't get another Iggy level player. Wright is fairly one dimensional as a shooter with no handle, though a reasonable defender, while Udoh is old for an underdeveloped rookie (not underdeveloped for the NBA like Turner is, but as a guy who really wasn't even dominant in college at that age). Getting them plus an expiring is probably asking too much if you don't throw something else like Brackins in or have us taking back a bad contract too.

Talent wise, Iggy is a much better basketball player than Wright or Udoh will ever be and he is still only 26. Don't confuse scoring with being a better basketball player, Iggy's playmaking ability at the 2/3 spot is very valuable to teams that need more of that skill. For us, Turner will eventually give us the same thing playmaking wise.

[tgo2223]

I think iggy contract (combined with his playingtime) hurts us more than brands. U have to remember that brands contract runs out a year before iggys (and brand aint hampering the development on anyone)

[Foshan]

at 26, Iguodala is locked into a long term deal at the start of his prime, which means on a good team, he's a huge part of years of being competitive.

Also, moving Iggy or Brand (without moving the other) just makes us a significantly worse team without any $$ flexibility to improve.

[SJSF]

Brand is the only true defender/low post guy we have. Iggy, Noc, ET. There are 3 of them. Iggy is easily replaceable.