Devin Harris for Monte Ellis

[GswSucks4Ever]

I know it sounds ridiculous on paper but I didn't have the opportunity to fully explain the situation.

2) If the deal is a "hot mess", then I guess it shares something in common with the Warriors because they are just as terrible as we are. And what has Riley done since becoming full-time GM? Acquire an undersized, unathletic PF in David Lee isn't great at anything but just fits their system? I don't think Riley is Thorn by any stretch of the imagination.

3) When I propose deals, you have to look past the specific parts and more into the method and logic behind it. Even if the deal that I proposed wasn't the best, the logic behind it is this:

This basic structure of the deal is more than what meets the eye at first. It services a lot of GSW's needs while at the same time gives us flexibility. If the difference in making a deal is one or two bench players, you still do it.

In my mind, GSW still gets a slasher that should fit in the system, a good first round pick and maybe a second one, the ability for Murphy to grab rebounds and spread the floor like he did when he was there before and then free up cap for a possible lockout. It's not like GSW is going anywhere fast anyway so I don't see why this deal wouldn't at least deserve a good look. Plus, even though Monta is playing at a high level, most still believe that his trade value is not increasing because of it.

There are so many problems with your post. I understand that you're on the east coast so you never catch Warrior games so I'll take it easy on you.

1) The Warriors don't give a crap about Morrow, if they wanted him they could've signed him

2) The Warriors are not as terrible as you are, if you add the same win/loss difference to the warriors record they'll be 24-16. The Warriors win 20% more of their games, thats a lot.

3)a.You're absolutely right that the Warriors don't want to play Curry and Ellis together. But Ellis has one of the best contracts in the NBA at 11 million/year. He is the third leading scorer in the league with a very good TS%. He is very young and a fan favorite...... and you want the Dubs to trade him for Travis Outlaw?

b. We need a slasher, but we want to trade our best slasher away? O K

I could keep going on, but I'll keep it simple. Ask yourself first, do the deals make the Warriors worse or better?

[NyCeEvO]

I know it sounds ridiculous on paper but I didn't have the opportunity to fully explain the situation.

2) If the deal is a "hot mess", then I guess it shares something in common with the Warriors because they are just as terrible as we are. And what has Riley done since becoming full-time GM? Acquire an undersized, unathletic PF in David Lee isn't great at anything but just fits their system? I don't think Riley is Thorn by any stretch of the imagination.

3) When I propose deals, you have to look past the specific parts and more into the method and logic behind it. Even if the deal that I proposed wasn't the best, the logic behind it is this:

This basic structure of the deal is more than what meets the eye at first. It services a lot of GSW's needs while at the same time gives us flexibility. If the difference in making a deal is one or two bench players, you still do it.

In my mind, GSW still gets a slasher that should fit in the system, a good first round pick and maybe a second one, the ability for Murphy to grab rebounds and spread the floor like he did when he was there before and then free up cap for a possible lockout. It's not like GSW is going anywhere fast anyway so I don't see why this deal wouldn't at least deserve a good look. Plus, even though Monta is playing at a high level, most still believe that his trade value is not increasing because of it.

There are so many problems with your post. I understand that you're on the east coast so you never catch Warrior games so I'll take it easy on you.

1) The Warriors don't give a crap about Morrow, if they wanted him they could've signed him

2) The Warriors are not as terrible as you are, if you add the same win/loss difference to the warriors record they'll be 24-16. The Warriors win 20% more of their games, thats a lot.

3)a.You're absolutely right that the Warriors don't want to play Curry and Ellis together. But Ellis has one of the best contracts in the NBA at 11 million/year. He is the third leading scorer in the league with a very good TS%. He is very young and a fan favorite...... and you want the Dubs to trade him for Travis Outlaw?

b. We need a slasher, but we want to trade our best slasher away? O K

I could keep going on, but I'll keep it simple. Ask yourself first, do the deals make the Warriors worse or better?

You're right that I don't watch too many Warrior games. In fact, I made this post before watching you guys play the Lakers and then play us and I learned a lot from watching those two games.

The most relevant point that you made was number two. After watching those two games, I saw that GSW's style of play is still trouble for all teams to play against. Like Kobe said one or two years ago, whenever you play GSW, you don't play them like you play everyone else. They're not as conventional as most other NBA teams.

Therefore, even though I saw that our records were both poor, it's not even the fact that you win 20% more games than us that matters. It's strictly that your style of play and the quality of it is substantially better than ours. When you guys played us, the commentators from the start of the game were basically saying that it should be an easy game to win. Frankly, I'm surprised we even stayed in the game for as long as we did. I didn't realize how much Ellis makes watching you guys exciting. Personally, I think the reason why he doesn't get traded is not because of his contract, but simply because he puts people in the seats. The same thing about Kobe, LBJ, Wade, etc. The reason they never get traded is not because their contract is just too big, it's because the revenue they generate for the team is so significant, it would take a player of their magnitude or greater to make the trade. Unfortunately, the Nets don't have that and therefore we will remain in suckville till we get one.

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You don't really think GSW would do that do you?

Riley might reach through the phone and attempt to choke you for offering that hot mess.

I know it sounds ridiculous on paper but I didn't have the opportunity to fully explain the situation.

1) I actually tried to include Morrow in the deal to return him to GSW since I know the Warriors and their fans really miss him. I am sure Riley would love to have him back but a team can't re-acquire a player within a calendar year unless he is waived.

2) If the deal is a "hot mess", then I guess it shares something in common with the Warriors because they are just as terrible as we are. And what has Riley done since becoming full-time GM? Acquire an undersized, unathletic PF in David Lee isn't great at anything but just fits their system? I don't think Riley is Thorn by any stretch of the imagination.

3) When I propose deals, you have to look past the specific parts and more into the method and logic behind it. Even if the deal that I proposed wasn't the best, the logic behind it is this:

a) As much as Monta and Curry can deny it, they know that they really can't co-exist together and succeed. They both have to have the ball in their hands, they both can score, but they both are pretty small. GSW knows this and so does the rest of the league. Any deal that can ship Ellis out would be good for them since they believe in Curry since he's on a much cheaper rookie contract and doesn't have any baggage.

b) The Warriors need a slasher. Even though we might dog Outlaw as a Net, he could be a serviceable player for a system that fits him. Any team that has Outlaw operate out of the half-court for a majority of the game is not using him to the best of his abilities including us. I believe that Outlaw would actually perform much better in GSW's system than in our system.

c) Even though it seems like I just threw it in the deal as an extra bone, the 1st round pick could hold much especially if GSW can get their own pick back and maybe another one of our heavily protected picks. I don't know if that is possible but the fact that they would be almost guaranteed a high pick due to their poor record. They could easily try to get another SG in the draft or a true center.

d) Plus, with a possible lockout looming it probably would appeal to them to have an expiring contract like Murphy so that they can save money.

This basic structure of the deal is more than what meets the eye at first. It services a lot of GSW's needs while at the same time gives us flexibility. If the difference in making a deal is one or two bench players, you still do it.

In my mind, GSW still gets a slasher that should fit in the system, a good first round pick and maybe a second one, the ability for Murphy to grab rebounds and spread the floor like he did when he was there before and then free up cap for a possible lockout. It's not like GSW is going anywhere fast anyway so I don't see why this deal wouldn't at least deserve a good look. Plus, even though Monta is playing at a high level, most still believe that his trade value is not increasing because of it.

It's ridiculous on paper and worse in any actual consideration.

Ellis is scoring about 25 ppg. He can-does-has been a very good defender except if asked to play 45+min,and score 40...that does slow him down. His speed is a BIG deal. If he isn't tired,he's so quick you can't dribble...you become a catch and shoot.
Yes...he evidently can play with Curry. last year they finished the season with a W as Curry/Ellis combined for 78 pt. Needless to say...Portland's backcourt did not score 78....or 68...or 58.
GSW has not lost the back court matchup much. Not too surprising if they avg 45 pt. Being #3 + 4 in steals and combining for 11.5 asst...that's also working.

Murph was on GSW and they traded him. Since then they got Lee. Obviously..playing Lee and Murphy together is not possible. Lee's D is maybe a tad worse than Murphy's. Yep...GSW is a mess,and a team in transition,but still..it's not the same as NJ. NJ has 10 wins,GSW has 18. That's not close really. NJ is also distracted by the Great Melo Quest...and WANTS to pay so heavily..that if they WIN...they don't win.

Monta currently,is scoring more than Melo, and that's the primary thing both DO. Monta is half the $ Melo will be and is a bit younger. Obviously,unless GSW thinks they make $ with an empty arena, they don't just DUMP him like junk. The new owner probably did not pay a fortune to look CHEAP. The GM and coach,probably don't want to be working in fast food next year. NJ....a 10 win team...does not have the assets to get TWO 25 ppg scorers AND keep Lopez and also.....have those OTHER 12 guys who make up a team.
Something I really don't get....why the hell would NJ want to add Hamilton and Billups? They cost BIG $ and are getting older by the minute. Billups expires...so by the time a post trade Nets jelled,they likely don't gain the ground to be an 8 seed and if they did,would not be ready to take on the 1 seed in the first round. Then, NJ pays a declining Rip $12.5 mill till he's 35+. Ouch.

That leaves the Nets shorthanded with a VERY large wad owed Melo-Rip-Outlaw...no frontcourt D,no draft picks,not much bench. Weird concept.

[old rem]

Worth some note...GSW's "style" is sort of a work in progress. K Smart kept much of the Nelly stuff, but GSW purged more than half the roster. They got lucky on D Wright. They were morons to lose Morrow for nothing,and the piece that bothers me now is Lee. I LIKE that Lee rebounds but it's hard to hid a PF who sucks on D....as the Wolves in particular would know.

Maggette is having a "bad" year...yet is still in the NBA's top 20 scorers per 48 min. S Jackson is still scoring 20 per,playing D. Morrow and Bellinelli are starters now. Matt Barnes and Pietrus + Jamal Crawford are valued 6th men and A Tolliver was a rotation guy till injured. GSW traded ALL that for....pretty much a rd 2 pick and the right to waste some $25 mill on unwanted scrubs.
That's like having a bank, that instead of putting the money in a vault...leaves it on the front porch.
For all that stuff,GSW SHOULD have got the equal of 3-4 draft picks...mid 1st round. Easy.
Last year GSW had 9 guys who averaged 10+ points....not counting Jackson. They got rid of 6 of them in trading for Lee and pointless petty giveaways,then did sign Wright (who they could have just ADDED.
So, NOW GSW thinks they can RUN but they don't have the BENCH. Monta OWNED Kobe for 35 min...but Smart kept Monta on the floor 48 min and past a certain point Monta stops being one of the FASTEST-Quickest guys...and is then a 6-3 guard with tired legs. Had GSW NOT spent the summer getting RID OF a damn good bench (and some of the defense) they'd REALLY be able to run and add to it some full court press. Bench quality is big. Beware that that Melo thing does not leave NJ paper thin.

GSW...has a knack for preventing success. Hopefully that's soon in the past.

[BelgianMagic]

Didn't the Warriors' Gm say that he'd only trade him for an nba first-team player? Meaning he's not interested in trading him?

Just saying

[Preludepunk27]

Didn't the Warriors' Gm say that he'd only trade him for an nba first-team player? Meaning he's not interested in trading him?

Just saying

Eh I think you're taking his words to literal. I think he really means, "Don't piss is my ear and tell me it's raining." As good as Ellis is, the GM knows he can't build his franchise specifically around Ellis, but he's happy to have him on the team obviously. That isn't a bad thing for either side of the equation. Their GM just won't deal Ellis to deal him. He'll want a true starting level SG to pair with Curry as well as an upgade in another position. Something like that.

Either way, we really don't have a true SG GSW would even be interested in.

Like I said on page one, it just makes zero cents for the Nets and GSW to be trade partners without bringing a 3rd or 4th team into it.

[SteveNets15]

Yea Ellis is defintely the new Iverson of the league.