Camby To Have Surgery

[Wizenheimer]

You two can cool it or you'll make me get a stick.

get an MRI on the stick before you use it...just to be sure

[Ripcity4life]

Found this about Meniscus Injuries and it's very good and if i am reading it right then Camby should miss 6 to 8 weeks.


Link to a piece called : Patient's Guide To Meniscus Injuries
http://www.toc-stl.com/info/meniscus.htm

Here is a part of the piece that pertains to Camby and his recovery :

Your return to your desired activity level will depend on the extent of damage and the procedure performed on your knee. In general, you will be allowed to return to sports in 4-8 weeks after surgery. You must have good motion, strength, and control of your knee. How quickly you return depends on several factors, including: 1) your own rate of healing; 2) the damage found at surgery; 3) if you have any complications; 4) how well you follow the post-operative instructions; 5) how hard you work in rehabilitation.

[Wizenheimer]

Found this about Meniscus Injuries and it's very good and if i am reading it right then Camby should miss 6 to 8 weeks.


Link to a piece called : Patient's Guide To Meniscus Injuries
http://www.toc-stl.com/info/meniscus.htm

I imagine it will depend on the severity of the injury

Roy came back (too early probably) after 10 days, but his was a minor injury IIRC

If Camby misses 8 weeks, that would be 25-28 games. He's too important to the Blazers for that not to have a big impact

[czoneny]

I feel horrible for you guys, all these injuries are ridiculous.

[DavidSterned]

I compare our training staff to a teacher. The way I see it, the results kind of speak for themselves. If a vast majority of the students in a class are failing, the students may just be naturally dumb but either way it doesn't reflect very well on the job the teacher is doing. With such a rash of similar natured injuries on this team in the last 2-3 years, it seems very possible that this team merely has an inordinate number of injury cases waiting to happen. But either way, this just doesn't reflect very well on the job our training staff is doing. It wouldn't hurt to clean house and get some new trainers.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Isn't this injury similar to Roy's injury at the end of last season? I know Roy came back way early, but couldn't Camby be back in a couple of weeks? I know Camby tends to push his returns from injury out a bit, but does he really need to be out 8 weeks? I would think it would be more like 3-4 weeks, but then I'm basing that on Roy's return during the playoffs.

TSE - Just how big is that stick???

[dreamcloud]

Please NEVER move LA to Center. Blazers have a curse on the center position, if you move him there GUARANTEED he'll go down as well, the only blazer who's always been fairly healthy.

[TBpup]

If your car keeps breaking down do you keep taking it to the same mechanic? If you have multiple cars that are in constant need of repairs do you not consider the possibility that the mechanic you pay to maintain them may have some fault in the matter? At the very least don't you bring in an outside mechanic to check up on the work/evaluate what has been done? It's entirely possible that everything has been done right but it is also possible that the training staff has some culpability

Agreed...that certainly seems reasonable. An 'outside' audit, not one done my the people who hired or pay the staff.

As for pointing out Camby's games missed in his career, that might be helpful if Camby's knee injury as a player under the care of this medical staff were an isolated incident instead of the most injured group of knees in the league. Also, how many times has Camby required surgery versus just missing games due to sprains etc. That is quite a difference.

[j127]

Does this mean Przybilla gets the start at C or does Aldridge get moved to C and Cunningham gets the start at PF?

[Wizenheimer]

If your car keeps breaking down do you keep taking it to the same mechanic? If you have multiple cars that are in constant need of repairs do you not consider the possibility that the mechanic you pay to maintain them may have some fault in the matter? At the very least don't you bring in an outside mechanic to check up on the work/evaluate what has been done? It's entirely possible that everything has been done right but it is also possible that the training staff has some culpability

Agreed...that certainly seems reasonable. An 'outside' audit, not one done my the people who hired or pay the staff.

As for pointing out Camby's games missed in his career, that might be helpful if Camby's knee injury as a player under the care of this medical staff were an isolated incident instead of the most injured group of knees in the league. Also, how many times has Camby required surgery versus just missing games due to sprains etc. That is quite a difference.

again: does anybody know that an outside "audit" hasn't been done?

I see all kinds of calls for the 'training staff' to get fired (and what exactly is the difference vetween training staff and medical staff?). I see that a lot of people seem convinced that the Blazers are doing something wrong with players once they get to portland. That may be the case, but I have yet to see anybody identify what it is

and yet I see all kinds of rather strange analogies like cars and mechanics. I don't get that. The circumstances do strain belief, but there's as much evidence for coincidence as there is for fault. which is to say...none. At least no evidence has been advanced in this forum. Whether the Blazers have any I don't know

as a matter of fact, there's as much circumstantial evidence for the 'Andre Miller is a vampire' theory as there is for the 'training staff is incompetent' theory.

As to Camby missing games due to surgery versus missing games due to non-surgical injuries, I'm not sure that means anything. Camby missed a ton of games due to hip surgery earlier in his career. he once missed 12 games due to a sprained ankle. Another time he missed 18 games due to knee tendinitis.

I'm not sure it matters whether he misses 18 games because of tendinitis, 16 games because of meniscus surgery, or 12 games due to a sprained ankle

The Lakers have had 4 players undergo knee surgery in the last 6 months: Kobe, Bynum, Barnes, and Ratliff. Maybe the Laker's training staff is doing the same things the Blazer staff is doing. Or maybe they aren't

[DeBlazerRiddem]

If your car keeps breaking down do you keep taking it to the same mechanic? If you have multiple cars that are in constant need of repairs do you not consider the possibility that the mechanic you pay to maintain them may have some fault in the matter? At the very least don't you bring in an outside mechanic to check up on the work/evaluate what has been done? It's entirely possible that everything has been done right but it is also possible that the training staff has some culpability

Agreed...that certainly seems reasonable. An 'outside' audit, not one done my the people who hired or pay the staff.

As for pointing out Camby's games missed in his career, that might be helpful if Camby's knee injury as a player under the care of this medical staff were an isolated incident instead of the most injured group of knees in the league. Also, how many times has Camby required surgery versus just missing games due to sprains etc. That is quite a difference.

again: does anybody know that an outside "audit" hasn't been done?

I see all kinds of calls for the 'training staff' to get fired (and what exactly is the difference vetween training staff and medical staff?). I see that a lot of people seem convinced that the Blazers are doing something wrong with players once they get to portland. That may be the case, but I have yet to see anybody identify what it is

and yet I see all kinds of rather strange analogies like cars and mechanics. I don't get that. The circumstances do strain belief, but there's as much evidence for coincidence as there is for fault. which is to say...none. At least no evidence has been advanced in this forum. Whether the Blazers have any I don't know

as a matter of fact, there's as much circumstantial evidence for the 'Andre Miller is a vampire' theory as there is for the 'training staff is incompetent' theory.

As to Camby missing games due to surgery versus missing games due to non-surgical injuries, I'm not sure that means anything. Camby missed a ton of games due to hip surgery earlier in his career. he once missed 12 games due to a sprained ankle. Another time he missed 18 games due to knee tendinitis.

I'm not sure it matters whether he misses 18 games because of tendinitis, 16 games because of meniscus surgery, or 12 games due to a sprained ankle

The Lakers have had 4 players undergo knee surgery in the last 6 months: Kobe, Bynum, Barnes, and Ratliff. Maybe the Laker's training staff is doing the same things the Blazer staff is doing. Or maybe they aren't

But.... but.... but what else is the internet good for than advancing conspiracy theories? Miller is clearly a vampire!!

[ph1sh55]

Dre is a vampire...with a taste for meniscus and marrow

[Ripcity4life]

Nice Job Wiz --- Somehow you have managed to take this Topic way OFF Topic by mentioning Andre Miller and Vampire.

Would be nice if this thread got back on Topic.

[Brandon-Clyde]

again: does anybody know that an outside "audit" hasn't been done?

I see all kinds of calls for the 'training staff' to get fired (and what exactly is the difference vetween training staff and medical staff?). I see that a lot of people seem convinced that the Blazers are doing something wrong with players once they get to portland. That may be the case, but I have yet to see anybody identify what it is

and yet I see all kinds of rather strange analogies like cars and mechanics. I don't get that. The circumstances do strain belief, but there's as much evidence for coincidence as there is for fault. which is to say...none. At least no evidence has been advanced in this forum. Whether the Blazers have any I don't know

as a matter of fact, there's as much circumstantial evidence for the 'Andre Miller is a vampire' theory as there is for the 'training staff is incompetent' theory.

As to Camby missing games due to surgery versus missing games due to non-surgical injuries, I'm not sure that means anything. Camby missed a ton of games due to hip surgery earlier in his career. he once missed 12 games due to a sprained ankle. Another time he missed 18 games due to knee tendinitis.

I'm not sure it matters whether he misses 18 games because of tendinitis, 16 games because of meniscus surgery, or 12 games due to a sprained ankle

The Lakers have had 4 players undergo knee surgery in the last 6 months: Kobe, Bynum, Barnes, and Ratliff. Maybe the Laker's training staff is doing the same things the Blazer staff is doing. Or maybe they aren't

Wiz in all honesty do you believe if outside experts had been called in to audit the medical/training staff we would not have heard about it in some way? In the state of Oregon it seems there are more full time reporters who cover the Blazers than cover the governor. It would seem plausible if an outside audit had occurred one of them would have found out about it and it would have been reported.
It would ,I believe,be a good compromise between those who think the medical/training staff are incompetent and those who believe,as you do,other factors are involved in the injury problems. I myself believe there is at least some of both and that an audit would be the best way to correct at least part of the problem. Jay Jensen has been with the Blazers 15 years and was with other teams well before that. Has he kept current with his training? Has other Blazer staff? Maybe the training staff simply needs to spend more time updating their methods,needs to add to the staff certain specialists or maybe the staff is incompetent and does need replaced. An audit merely would examine the issue and hopefully correct any problems thus reducing the injury problems. What could be wrong with that?

[Klinky]

I am with Wiz on this one. It's highly doubtful these injuries are the fault of the training staff. When you take on injury prone players it's kind of crazy to act shocked when they get injured.

Roy's knees were crap from the get go. Camby has been injury prone from the moment he entered the league. Oden, you cannot blame on the training staff because his knee self-combusted before the training staff really got their hands on him, basically setting the stage for him to become injury prone. Przy injured himself in a freak accident on the court, everyone saw it. I don't think the training staff has our guys doing the splits with one leg tucked under their body, nor do they have the authority to barge into players homes to insert anti-slip mats in their bathrooms. Then you have Pendergraph who had a congenital hip problem which needed surgery before he could play...

Com'on guys, seriously... Those examples blow gaping holes in the entire idea that our training staff is some how doing mad voodoo on our players.

[Naledge503]

This gives new meaning to the name "Rip City"....*sigh*

[Brandon-Clyde]

I am with Wiz on this one. It's highly doubtful these injuries are the fault of the training staff. When you take on injury prone players it's kind of crazy to act shocked when they get injured.

Roy's knees were crap from the get go. Camby has been injury prone from the moment he entered the league. Oden, you cannot blame on the training staff because his knee self-combusted before the training staff really got their hands on him, basically setting the stage for him to become injury prone. Przy injured himself in a freak accident on the court, everyone saw it. I don't think the training staff has our guys doing the splits with one leg tucked under their body, nor do they have the authority to barge into players homes to insert anti-slip mats in their bathrooms. Then you have Pendergraph who had a congenital hip problem which needed surgery before he could play...

Com'on guys, seriously... Those examples blow gaping holes in the entire idea that our training staff is some how doing mad voodoo on our players.

Can you think of any harm that an outside audit by experts could do? As I said before I don't believe that the training/medical staff are more than partially responsible but after this number of injuries it is fair to question their abilities to some extent. Also while the last few seasons have been beyond belief in injuries previous seasons before that also seemed to be above the league average in injuries. Even Zach Randolph who has been healthy almost everywhere else was injured while in Portland needing knee surgery. In fact I can not recall the last time Portland was below the league average for injuries.Hell I'd even bring in experts to look at the Rose Garden arena floor to see if it might be contributing to the injuries in some way. The fact of the matter is the Blazers need to look at any reasonable way to reduce injuries. That includes the medical/training staff,having players rest more in the offseason,how practices are run,the type of players drafted and the areas where they regularly practice/play. All that and more must be on the table
And Klinky see you in the gamechat later

[Milkdud]

Ignoring the lockout season Camby's seasonal average is like 58 games, thats not an iron man.

[Moonbeam]

In fact I can not recall the last time Portland was below the league average for injuries.Hell I'd even bring in experts to look at the Rose Garden arena floor to see if it might be contributing to the injuries in some way.

This is what I'm wondering. Perhaps the Rose Garden or the Blazer practice facilities have faulty floors?

[hondaaccord]

Why Allen was too cheap to sign Dampier is beyond me...