Can Melo,Rip, and Billups Be Enough

[JKiddy]

There is something called the BIG PICTURE.

You guys are not looking at that.

Let's assume the trade goes through this week (which it might not even happen at all- WE SHALL SEE).

But, if it does our lineup would look something like this:

Billups
RIP
Melo
Humphries
Lopez
Farmar
SV
THE MACHINE
Outlaw
Balkman/A Harrington
etc...

We would still have 3 first round picks (or 2 if we pawn another one off - PLEASE NO).

Once Melo signs an extension with the Nets. Who do you think he calls first player wise? THINK ABOUT THIS ONE. THIS IS A TEST.

Which player wants out? Which player can the Nets give up 2 first round picks, and expiring contract, and maybe one or two decent players (Billups + 1) and $3 Million Cash for him and trash?

Hmmm...

[vincecarter4pres]

Umm, Andre Iguodala?

I don't see the Hornets, nor Dark Lord Stern gifting us Chris Paul after we gave up the farm for Melo.

Think more along the lines of Brook Lopez, picks and filler for Paul and Okafor if it were to happen.

[vincecarter4pres]

I could argue Melo's impact=KG's

I'd love to hear it.

[treiz]

I think the Celtics comparison was a good one to a lesser extent
I could argue Melo's impact=KG's but Rip/Billups aren't as good as Paul/Allen

the big 3 came to Boston and the attention the recieved and load they carried allowed Rondo to grow

We all know that Brook is on the precipice of being an elite big maybe this the push he needs

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[nba watcher]

I have mixed feelings about this whole trade thing. and I need my nets family to help me understand the way cap space and contracts. I need to know how everything works. But more importantly i want us to be successful but I'm not one hundred percent sure carmelo and the gang are what we need. I'm thinking we find a home for harris for another pick, and look to trade for a scorer, someone to put points on the board.

[nba watcher]

Alot of you guy's wont agree with me, but I say we shop lopez, just to see whats out there. and also I'd like to share what i know. if you guys want to know about our possible draft picks go to www.mynbadraft.com and let me know what you think.

[kasino]

I could argue Melo's impact=KG's

I'd love to hear it.

well of course its in the KG's favor but this all was in reference to the big3 to the 3 coming to the Nets.
but in the same conference/division Melo has never missed the playoffs while KG's Timberwolves did in the same timeframe.
You can say what you want about their rosters but the Nuggets were never world beaters and only made the WCF(out of the 1st) once in Melo's tenure. KG did the same and also lost to the Lakers.
He is widely regarded as the league's best scorer and even averaged +25 alongside another scorer in AI(actually his best FG% year, credit to Melo). Showing its not just about an opportunity for volume scoring but a skillset thats efficient and unstoppable.Opinion.

of course I think KG is the better player his defense/rebounding/reasonable scoring outweighs Melo's team caring scoring

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I like Futurama tho

[treiz]

I could argue Melo's impact=KG's

I'd love to hear it.

well of course its in the KG's favor but this all was in reference to the big3 to the 3 coming to the Nets.
but in the same conference/division Melo has never missed the playoffs while KG's Timberwolves did in the same timeframe.
You can say what you want about their rosters but the Nuggets were never world beaters and only made the WCF(out of the 1st) once in Melo's tenure. KG did the same and also lost to the Lakers.
He is widely regarded as the league's best scorer and even averaged +25 alongside another scorer in AI(actually his best FG% year, credit to Melo). Showing its not just about an opportunity for volume scoring but a skillset thats efficient and unstoppable.Opinion.

of course I think KG is the better player his defense/rebounding/reasonable scoring outweighs Melo's team caring scoring

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I like Futurama tho

There it is, the main reason why Melo's impact would never, ever equal KGs

[nba watcher]

the nets are so stupid, we're getting punked by the nuggets cause we will do anything to get melo. The way i see it is we have want they want which is young talent. so we should tell them this is what we have for you: 2 first ruond picks,one this year, one next year, rookie derrick favors, troy murphy's contract, and devin harris. take it or leave it,

[jeff1624]

well of course its in the KG's favor but this all was in reference to the big3 to the 3 coming to the Nets.
but in the same conference/division Melo has never missed the playoffs while KG's Timberwolves did in the same timeframe.

You do know that Garnett's best teammate for a long time was Wally szcynsgdbhjsdgbiak. The year he got to the western conference finals hye did it with Spreewell and Cassell, both at the ends of their careers.

You can say what you want about their rosters but the Nuggets were never world beaters and only made the WCF(out of the 1st) once in Melo's tenure. KG did the same and also lost to the Lakers.

He had Marcus Camby, Andre Miller, Kenyon Martin and Nene for a while.. that's better than anything KG ever had. He now plays with Billups, who would have been the best player KG had ever played with.

He is widely regarded as the league's best scorer and even averaged +25 alongside another scorer in AI(actually his best FG% year, credit to Melo). Showing its not just about an opportunity for volume scoring but a skillset thats efficient and unstoppable.Opinion.

No he isn't. Lebron, Wade, Durant, Dirk and Kobe are all equal if not better than Carmelo when it comes to scoring.

of course I think KG is the better player his defense/rebounding/reasonable scoring outweighs Melo's team caring scoring

He's also the better passer, a defensive anchor and plays a more important position.

[old rem]

we need one defensive minded player and one scorer coming off our bench. maybe Hassem Thabet, and lou Williams

No, we need a star next to Melo, arguably one better then Melo himself.

This team is a lower playoff seed 1st round knockout as will be constructed after the reported trade with no way to improve to anything better then a second round knockout.

Welcome back to 2005-2007 and there isn't a player on this roster as good as Kidd or Vince Carter was back then and that's including Melo.

good eye for reality.

Denver is trying to play some kind of card shark stuff on NJ and allegedly,the Nets fron't office would happily give the state of Delaware plua whatever. Denver however...is a card shark with no cards. Melo has the cards. A deal where Denver gets their wish list...and worse yet,NJ gets the aged and costly dump of Rip+ Billups dropped on them, will look to MELO like it does to you and me...a team that shot it's wad to get to an 8 seed and can't go furthur.

And Melo holds the cards and says no.

Denver? They can play out the bluff. They can drop the price. Whoever's to blame can drop that Billups-Hamilton nonsense,and THEN NJ has a chance to gain,and THAT could convince Melo.
Denver does NOT want to deal with the Knicks. The Knicks already called their bluff and won't cough up all Denver thinks they can get,but Denver has to have at LEAST an illusion that NY is not the only farmer at the auction. NY + Melo seem okay with a straight summer UFA signing. Then NY trades NOBODY.

It will be interesting as the deadline nears.


As for Thabeet,he's so awkward I worried he'd fall on our players and injure one. He fell on several,but no damage. The guy can't play 15 min without getting 6 fouls,has hands like lobster claws and lacks the work ethic. I could not believe how many rated him above Hibbert,by a lot,when Hibbert WAS willing to pay his dues and grow.

Anyhow...good luck.

[kasino]

@ treiz
yea I guess but I could see people pushing Durant in front of KG one day and I think thats cuz people got their mind made up on how good Melo is and having history with KG

@jeff1624
Wally was a good player at that time so ur wrong if u think he was the benchwarmer he is now.
At the end of their careers but continued to play past that year and made it to the WCF the year in question.

I'll give you Billups but Miller/Camby/Nene/Martin all came at different times and none of Melo's teams had a better record than the 04Wolves so don't see how that makes them better.

Well all those players could be considered equal if not better scorers but you have never heard announcers/Barkley etc. say Melo's the best scorer in the league?

Passer?No
Anchor?Covered in defense
Position?PF isn't more important by any means

[jeff1624]

Wally Szseereurghgrhbiak's highest PER while in Minny was 17.1.. Just to put that in perspective, Devin Harris has a PER of 18.2 this year. I don't even have to explain anything else in that matter.

KG also assisted his teammates more than Melo has in his career despite having a lower usage rate.. so yeah he's the better passer. Also, big men help you win more than wing players do IMO.

As for Denver.. in 04-05 they had Martin, Miller, Nene, Camby and Melo all on the same team at one point and never got past the 1st round. And the reason they didn't have a better record than the Wolves is because KG was much more valuable which further proves my point.

[kasino]

Melo's PER is 19 during the WCF year
but I never pay attention to PER can't find that out during games its a silly lil stat
Wally was able to give a good 20ppg on the TWolves

I think Melo can make passes KG simply cant but KG puts himself in better position in the high and low post.

They faced the Spurs dude. Thats Melo's 2nd year(team is being built around him not truly ready to contend) similar to Rose getting booted out the 1st round against contenders. KG is talented and 04 was a great year for him(MVP and better record) but how does that prove he is more valuable? I could turn that around and ask why someone who just won the MVP couldn't take his team to the playoffs for the next 3 seasons? Of course his team is the excuse but again Melo has never missed the playoffs in the West.


Sorry took long didn't think my last was replied too