Carmelo Anthony Thread (Denver Finalizes Deal With Knicks)

[NyCeEvO]

Ok, I don't know why people continue to suggest that a package based on Curry/Gallo/Chandler/pick would really entice the Nuggets. It makes no sense for them.

1) Curry is an expiring. Murphy is an expiring. The Nuggets don't want to add salary for this season, which is why Murphy is not included in the present deal. They want cap relief. It makes no sense to take Curry.

2) Chandler is a restricted free agent at the end of the season. If the Nuggets acquire him, it's just a smaller version of the Melo situation. If they want to keep him, they would have to present him with a new contract and the way he's been playing this season, would dictate that he would be handsomely rewarded. Again, the Nuggets don't want to add a big salary. Chandler could easily command more than what Harrington gets and look at how bad they want to get rid of Harrington.

3) Pick. Uh, any 1st round pick that the Knicks will get for Randolph won't be a lottery pick. What non-playoff bound team in their right mind would give up their lottery pick for Anthony Randolph? None. Therefore, their pick would most likely be from the bottom of the first round. Even, we have better picks than that.

4) Gallo is a nice player but are you really going to make a deal in which you're giving up Melo, adding to your present salary, forcing yourself to either pay big bucks to keep Chandler next year or lose him completely (which is basically making him a rental player), just to add Gallo to your team? It makes little sense. When you break down the deal, it's really crappy and the only think Denver gets out of it is, Gallo who will be a restricted free agent after next season.

Basically, all components of this deal are pretty bad for Denver in almost every way. Even offering this for Melo as a rental would entice me very little if I was Denver.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't think he's going to say much, he doesn't want to paint himself any further into a corner and a lot of what we'd like to hear as answers would likely be considered tampering.

Agreed.

[Jersey Generals]

Gallo is good, albeit a bit injury prone and inconsistent. Any deal that the Nets make as a rental player, they'd have to throw in the GSW's pick just to match Gallo in that deal. Otherwise, they'd be hard pressed to match without giving up too much where it becomes stupid to rent Carmelo.

And as for Curry, I'm sure Knick fans will be coming in to say that Curry's contract is already half paid in advance, so the Nuggets would be only paying about a 3rd of Curry's contract if the Knicks also throw in 3 million. I'm sure the Nets would be willing to do that with Murphy's contract, as well though.

[Brenice]

You know what I find funny , pawns. Like in what they want, doesn't matter. It is all about what Melo wants. Melo wants to play with this or play in this area. Who says Galinari or Favors, etc., wants to leave New York or Jersey. Do they have a say in the matter? The Nuggets are pawns too. Like Cleveland last year. You either trade me for unknowns or young players, or else "I'm taking my game to Miami". A team can bend over backwards for LeBron(Cavs) or Melo(Nuggets), build around that player. Spend money and acquire Shaq/Jamison(Cavs) or Iverson/Billups(Nuggets), trying to keep the primadonna(LeBron/Melo) happy, but the primadonna wants to player poker only after being dealt a royal flush(LeBron chose Miami only after Bosh showed his cards as "All In" Miami. So know, Melo is jocking New York/or Jersey. New York, Amare showed his cards in New York. Jersey has a bunch of queens and kings to deal(lottery picks or young lottery draftees) to deal for Melo. You think Melo wouldn't go to Jersey unless another Ace(CP3 is watching) is ready to follow suit.

[Preludepunk27]

I kind of wish we had Rod Thorn back right now. 90% of what is going on would never be in the press right now. I always loved how Thorn's deals would be touched on lightly one day, then he'd deny them...3 weeks later after you start forgetting about it you get slapped BAM in the face with a deal. Besides JKidd's departure (really thanks to Stackhouse's big mouth though) most of Thorn's deals were like this.

[NyCeEvO]

You know what I find funny , pawns. Like in what they want, doesn't matter. It is all about what Melo wants. Melo wants to play with this or play in this area. Who says Galinari or Favors, etc., wants to leave New York or Jersey. Do they have a say in the matter? The Nuggets are pawns too. Like Cleveland last year. You either trade me for unknowns or young players, or else "I'm taking my game to Miami". A team can bend over backwards for LeBron(Cavs) or Melo(Nuggets), build around that player. Spend money and acquire Shaq/Jamison(Cavs) or Iverson/Billups(Nuggets), trying to keep the primadonna(LeBron/Melo) happy, but the primadonna wants to player poker only after being dealt a royal flush(LeBron chose Miami only after Bosh showed his cards as "All In" Miami. So know, Melo is jocking New York/or Jersey. New York, Amare showed his cards in New York. Jersey has a bunch of queens and kings to deal(lottery picks or young lottery draftees) to deal for Melo. You think Melo wouldn't go to Jersey unless another Ace(CP3 is watching) is ready to follow suit.

Unfortunately, stars (or primadonnas as you say) rule the league and win championships. Very rarely do you find a team that doesn't have at least one star and wins the championship.

[JoseRizal]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... ulls011911

This is getting ridiculous...

[jamrock1975]

"If there's anything he needed to talk to me about, the lines of communication are open," Anthony said of Ujiri. "Same thing with Josh -- we had some great conversations. We sit and talk often."

Would Anthony sign an extension with the Nets if they were able to complete a trade for him? He wouldn't tell me, but he indicated Ujiri knows the answer.

"If he wanted to know, he could come and ask me," said Anthony. "There's nothing that's been said in the paper that we haven't talked about already, and there's things that I know and he know that has not gotten out there and that people don't even know about right now."

"What am I going to meet with (Nets majority owner Mikhail Prokhorov) for?'' Anthony said

"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man,'' Anthony said Saturday. "Once the Nets went out there and acquired those five picks (in the first round over the next two years), everybody just put everything together. ... From what I'm hearing, nothing is imminent right now. That's just what I'm hearing.''

if you read the first part which is the sports illustrated article and then read the fanhouse article about meeting with the nets and where this nets stuff came from New jersey is not somewhere he will be going. There are not even a consideration in regards to what him and Josh and Ujiri have talked about. Chicago is back in the picture because the Knicks and Chicago were the original two teams he allegedly stated he would sign an extension with.

[NyCeEvO]

I kind of wish we had Rod Thorn back right now. 90% of what is going on would never be in the press right now. I always loved how Thorn's deals would be touched on lightly one day, then he'd deny them...3 weeks later after you start forgetting about it you get slapped BAM in the face with a deal. Besides JKidd's departure (really thanks to Stackhouse's big mouth though) most of Thorn's deals were like this.

Well, having Thorn = no Prokhorov. Remember, we found that the problem in this is not really King. We honestly don't know what King would act like if Proky wasn't trying to run the show. I wouldn't mind seeing if and how Billy has actually changed without Proky trying to play him like marionette.

[enetric]

I'm actually totally fine with Melo as a rental. The reasoning there is that Billy King will get stingy and not give up nearly as much. That may be wishful thinking based on how horrible negotiations are going, but the best they'd get as a rental would be a slew of expirings and a pick, maybe a 2nd if they are one of our weaker picks.

Problem there is that if we go that route or Denver explores that with other teams like Houston or Dallas, it helps New York's chances. Making Melo a rental won't get you a premium or possibly even dollar-for-dollar value. They know Melo would sign the extension with Denver so New Yorks offer of Curry/Gallo/Chandler/pick from Minny via Utah (if they get it) actually would be the best deal they could get at that point. No team looking to rent Melo would give that up even if that acquiring team thought they could convice Melo to resign with them in the offseason.

Best you'd get from me if Melo is a rental would be:

Murphy/Hump/Ross/Morrow/Pick for Melo/Nene. Nene has a player option you know he's gonna pick up. This gives the Nuggets close to $17 mill in savings after the season roughly, a 3pt shooter on a decent contract so they can cut ties with Jr Smith and a pick. I really wouldn't even offer them James. I would include him if that gets the deal done, but no way is Favors or even Harris getting shipped out if we don't have a signed extension in hand for Melo.

Some may be willing to give up more in that instance, but no deal we offer that is logical (not that King has been logical as of today) would look better than the Knicks offer if we are discussing Melo as a rental.



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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=46t2akp

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=488k5jx (If we HAVE to take Al)

As you can see, if Melo doesn't agree to an extension, they're not getting much

Will you be fine with the rental if he turns crosses the river and signs a deal with Knicks in July? I am not. I dont care if its one pick and Troy. Not intested in playing that game. Once the extension is gone ou have no idea what contracts are going to look like July 1st with the CBA issue out there. Not good for Melo...but that deal wouldnt be great for us either. Now...I dont love the idea of paying Melo 80 mil over the next 4 years either. But...I really dont see how we keep him if we have no leverage with him.

There is little to like about this situation no matter how it goes down.

[enetric]

so what does everyone think happens tonight? Got to think Prokhorov would love to declare to the world that he bagged the 800 pound buck. Is there any way that's practical being that we would be left with 5 players to play tonight?

He can't possibly go up there and simply offer up vague denials, and if he was Avery most certainly would have marching orders to set the tone and not tee Prokhy up to let everyone down.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/inthezzone/comments/avery_prokhorov_will_shed_light_on_things/

Prokhorov has to say something, tell the fans what’s the latest because there is too much out there and a resolution is needed. There also hasn’t been enough talking from any of the sides to the media.

The fans need to hear something because they’re getting their hopes up, feeling down, frustrated, slighted, annoyed at the constant rumors, reports, new developments and contradictions.

This, too, has to bother the Nets and Nuggets, who are working hard behind the scenes to get something done.

So it’s good Prokhorov is here to say something, let everyone know something. We could all speculate and guess what he’s going to say, but we’ll all know for sure in several hours.

There is nothing he can say...nothing he can do...and honestly none of it matters. His comments are really have no impact to this situation. We have allowed ourselves to be at Denver's mercy here. Until they say DEAL...we dont know if Melo says yes. And while we have specuated as to what they are thinking...the only measure of control on this situation NJ has is to say...you know what? Screw this. Melo either commits to us in public or in private or we are done wasting our time.

If the Nets wont do that...then what can Proky say? He will smile, be charming...and be evasive. That's all he can do becaue he has put us at someone elses mercy. And he is doing it because he is looking to turn this around with one big swing.

[vincecarter4pres]

Press conference should be coming on any minute, there's a link to it live on NBA.com, but it's not working so far, I'm assuming it's running late.

[vincecarter4pres]

Press conference live on NBATV yall...

[vincecarter4pres]

We have pulled out of the Melo deal!!!!!

[jeff1624]

We have pulled out of the Melo deal!!!!!

[Jersey Generals]

Man, my Russian masters degree is really coming in handy in this press conference.

[vincecarter4pres]

He just Lance Stephenson'ed that hoe!

[vincecarter4pres]

Man, my Russian masters degree is really coming in handy in this press conference.

Noyce!

[Pfinferno]

THANK GOD IT'S FINALLY OVER. JESUS CHRIST. i was going insane. maybe the team can focus on basketball and not these trade rumors and bs now.

[Netaman]

We have pulled out of the Melo deal and also learned that tragically the bulldozer reported missing from a Nickel Mine in Russia has fallen on Masai Ujiri.