Philly re-signs Mike Richards for 12 years

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Post#21 » by Griff83 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:20 am

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RoyceDa59 wrote:I would like to see the list of 15 forwards you'd rather have over Mike Richards, age included.


Sidney Crosby
Evgeni Malkin
Alexander Ovechkin
Nicklas Backstrom
Anze Kopitar
Rick Nash
Marian Gaborik
Dany Heatley
Ilya Kovalchuk
Jason Spezza
Paul Stastny
Henrik Zetterberg
Pavel Datsyuk
Jonathon Toews
Patrick Kane

Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin

All are pretty damn young and i would rather have any of the above, age taken into account on all. VanR. is kinda shaky, but i think he will be great. I believe players like Kyle Turris, Jordan Stall and Angelo Esposito will too, but i wont include them.

Again, Mike Richards is very good and i do like him, but 12 years is insane.


Henrik Sedin? Richards is already as good as him and like 5 years younger. I laughed at Van riemsdyk, a player who hasnt even played a single game in the league. Backstrom isnt all that great, hes putting up points simply for the fact hes seeing time with players like Ovechkin, Semin and Nylander on the powerplay (hes been average 5 on 5).

Mike Richards is already better then those 3 guys and only 22 years old. Im Glad you didnt include a guy who cant even make the world junior team and has been cut 3 times in a row. Richards is not only 11th in the league in scoring but one of the premier penalty killers and is not afraid to drop his gloves.

he's definitely been a top 15 player this season.
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Post#22 » by ajaX82 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:01 am

VanR. and Sedin i wont really argue against excluding, tho i stand by my list. But i will easily stand by Backstrom, i think he is going to be just awesome, no matter who he plays by.

And taking those 3 out i still have 15 names recall. so i did complete the goal.
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Post#23 » by Crowned » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:38 pm

Players I'd rather have over Richards? Alright, let's start.


Sidney Crosby
Henrik Zetterberg
Joe Thornton
Dany Heatley
Vincent Lecalvier
Jarome Iginla
Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Ilya Kovalchuk
Jason Spezza
Pavel Datsyuk
Marion Gaborik
Marion Hossa
Rick Nash
Alexander Frolov
Anze Kopitar
Patrick Kane
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Paul Stastny
Chris Pronger (yes, I'm considering age)
Marc Savard (again, I'm considering age)
Oli Jokinen (uh huh, considered age again)
Zach Parise
Jonathan Toews
Eric Staal
Nathan Horton
Michael Cammalleri (that may be pushing it, but he's still an excellent player)
Thomas Vanek
Tomas Kaberle
Henrik Lundqvist
Roberto Luongo
Marty Brodeur

...plus I didn't count some of the older players such as Alfredsson, St. Louis, Jagr and Lidstrom.

...I also didn't include some 'questionable' players, such as Alexander Semin, Danny Briere, Sedin twins, Tanguay, Sundin (only because of the age).
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Post#24 » by RoyceDa59 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:47 pm

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Post#25 » by RoyceDa59 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:48 pm

Crowned wrote:Players I'd rather have over Richards? Alright, let's start.

Sidney Crosby
Henrik Zetterberg
Joe Thornton
Dany Heatley
Vincent Lecalvier
Jarome Iginla
Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Ilya Kovalchuk
Jason Spezza
Pavel Datsyuk
Marion Gaborik
Marion Hossa
Rick Nash
Alexander Frolov
Anze Kopitar
Patrick Kane
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Paul Stastny
Chris Pronger (yes, I'm considering age)
Marc Savard (again, I'm considering age)
Oli Jokinen (uh huh, considered age again)
Zach Parise
Jonathan Toews
Eric Staal
Nathan Horton
Michael Cammalleri (that may be pushing it, but he's still an excellent player)
Thomas Vanek
Tomas Kaberle
Henrik Lundqvist
Roberto Luongo
Marty Brodeur

...plus I didn't count some of the older players such as Alfredsson, St. Louis, Jagr and Lidstrom.

...I also didn't include some 'questionable' players, such as Alexander Semin, Danny Briere, Sedin twins, Tanguay, Sundin (only because of the age).


Crowned, I respect your opinion, but I must ask if you've ever watched Richards play. Because there is no way you could watch his play this year and claim Alexander Frolov, Tomas Vanek and Michael Cammalerri are better than Mike Richards. Nathan Horton?... That one I had to mention separately, thats just ridiculous. Some of the players you mentioned arn't even close to the talent Richard is, and it's not even debatable. Could you please explain to me how Frolov, Vanek, Cammalerri, Horton, Kane, Toews, Perry, Nash, Gaborik, Savard, Jokinen, Parise, Staal and Kaberle are better than Richards? Are any of them better goal scorers?... maybe Nash or Olli, are any of them better skaters? Maybe Gaborik, Parise or Kane. Do any of them play tougher or with more grit?... No. Are any of them better on the penalty kill?... no. Most importantly, do any of them possess ALL the attributes that make up a great all-round player like Richards... the answer is simply no. Richards is as complete a hockey player as they come.

I'll give you Crosby, Zetterberg, Thornton, Lecavelier, Iginla, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Heatley, Malkin, Hossa and Datsyuk. Spezza im not so sure about. He's a brat, never plays a full season and is one of the softest 6'3 superstars in the league. Spezza no doubt has lots of size and skill but there is a reason why he was traded 3 times in the OHL, hasnt played a full season yet, and was benched under his previous coaches in Ottawa... Spezza is a bitch.

Getzlaf, Kopitar and Stastny are all in the same category as Richards. They're all centers, they are all great on the PP and they are all good skaters with soft hands. Only time will tell who will emerge as the best player of the group but at this point none of them have any attributes better than Richards. And at this point, this season (which is the coming out season for all 4 of these young studs), Richards has been the most effective and productive.

Lundqvist, Luongo and Brodeur are goalies, were not including goalies in this discussion because goalies are simply far more valuable than one forward.

The fact that you mentioned Tanguay, The Sedin twins and Briere makes me believe you've never watched Richards play (especially Briere, because Richards has quite obviously been the best player on Philadelphia this season). Alex Tanguay... man, come on. Tanguay is as soft as they come, and there's a reason he's been demoted off the top line and been replaced by Huselius.

Richard IS a top 15 forward in the league this season. He has been recieving well deserved hype from all the panelists and yet he's still one of the most underrated players in the league. I'm telling you man, this kid is for real... he posseses all the qualities of a great all-round forward and has the work ethic and drive to continuously improve. Richards is a true Canadian hockey thoroughbred.
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Post#26 » by MAS » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:19 pm

ajaX82 wrote:James Van Reimsdyke


Ajax... he hasn't played a game in the NHL, on top of that, he's a Dman i believe
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Post#27 » by MAS » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:27 pm

lets see how well i play this game in no real order

1. Crosby
2. Ovechkin
3. Stastny
4. Parise
5. Nash
6. Kovalchuck
7. Heatley
8. Spezza
9. Malkin
10. Zetterberg
11. Datsyuk
12. Lecavalier
13. Getzlaf
14. Gaborik
15. Kopitar

the next teir would have guys like Richards, Perry, Staal, Boyes, etc
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Post#28 » by Griff83 » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:36 am

Crowned wrote:Players I'd rather have over Richards? Alright, let's start.


Sidney Crosby
Henrik Zetterberg
Joe Thornton
Dany Heatley
Vincent Lecalvier
Jarome Iginla
Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Ilya Kovalchuk
Jason Spezza
Pavel Datsyuk
Marion Gaborik
Marion Hossa
Rick Nash
Alexander Frolov
Anze Kopitar
Patrick Kane
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Paul Stastny
Chris Pronger (yes, I'm considering age)
Marc Savard (again, I'm considering age)
Oli Jokinen (uh huh, considered age again)
Zach Parise
Jonathan Toews
Eric Staal
Nathan Horton
Michael Cammalleri (that may be pushing it, but he's still an excellent player)
Thomas Vanek
Tomas Kaberle
Henrik Lundqvist
Roberto Luongo
Marty Brodeur

...plus I didn't count some of the older players such as Alfredsson, St. Louis, Jagr and Lidstrom.

...I also didn't include some 'questionable' players, such as Alexander Semin, Danny Briere, Sedin twins, Tanguay, Sundin (only because of the age).


I Have nothing wrong with you listing players youd rather have then Richards, but the fact is up until this point in the season he's been a top 15 player (thats what I was supporting more then saying there arent 15 players id rather have in the long run).
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Post#29 » by Crowned » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:37 am

MAS wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Ajax... he hasn't played a game in the NHL, on top of that, he's a Dman i believe



He's a big (6'3) winger.
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Post#30 » by Crowned » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:39 am

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Crowned, I respect your opinion, but I must ask if you've ever watched Richards play. Because there is no way you could watch his play this year and claim Alexander Frolov, Tomas Vanek and Michael Cammalerri are better than Mike Richards. Nathan Horton?... That one I had to mention separately, thats just ridiculous. Some of the players you mentioned arn't even close to the talent Richard is, and it's not even debatable. Could you please explain to me how Frolov, Vanek, Cammalerri, Horton, Kane, Toews, Perry, Nash, Gaborik, Savard, Jokinen, Parise, Staal and Kaberle are better than Richards? Are any of them better goal scorers?... maybe Nash or Olli, are any of them better skaters? Maybe Gaborik, Parise or Kane. Do any of them play tougher or with more grit?... No. Are any of them better on the penalty kill?... no. Most importantly, do any of them possess ALL the attributes that make up a great all-round player like Richards... the answer is simply no. Richards is as complete a hockey player as they come.

I'll give you Crosby, Zetterberg, Thornton, Lecavelier, Iginla, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Heatley, Malkin, Hossa and Datsyuk. Spezza im not so sure about. He's a brat, never plays a full season and is one of the softest 6'3 superstars in the league. Spezza no doubt has lots of size and skill but there is a reason why he was traded 3 times in the OHL, hasnt played a full season yet, and was benched under his previous coaches in Ottawa... Spezza is a bitch.

Getzlaf, Kopitar and Stastny are all in the same category as Richards. They're all centers, they are all great on the PP and they are all good skaters with soft hands. Only time will tell who will emerge as the best player of the group but at this point none of them have any attributes better than Richards. And at this point, this season (which is the coming out season for all 4 of these young studs), Richards has been the most effective and productive.

Lundqvist, Luongo and Brodeur are goalies, were not including goalies in this discussion because goalies are simply far more valuable than one forward.

The fact that you mentioned Tanguay, The Sedin twins and Briere makes me believe you've never watched Richards play (especially Briere, because Richards has quite obviously been the best player on Philadelphia this season). Alex Tanguay... man, come on. Tanguay is as soft as they come, and there's a reason he's been demoted off the top line and been replaced by Huselius.

Richard IS a top 15 forward in the league this season. He has been recieving well deserved hype from all the panelists and yet he's still one of the most underrated players in the league. I'm telling you man, this kid is for real... he posseses all the qualities of a great all-round forward and has the work ethic and drive to continuously improve. Richards is a true Canadian hockey thoroughbred.



I had a big post responding to each player you bolded, but I encountered some error and shut down all my internet windows. I'll try and make a counter- debate tonight, if not..then I will soon.
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Post#31 » by MAS » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:13 am

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He's a big (6'3) winger.


hmmm I don't know why i thought he was a Dman...
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Post#32 » by ajaX82 » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:22 am

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Ajax... he hasn't played a game in the NHL


Im quite aware my boy, he was kinda my wildcard, but i truly love his potential. I think he is going to be a very special Power Forward in the league. . And he is still 18 or 19, which means plenty of time to develop.

Just a hunch, but yes, i am aware he has 0 games under his belt.
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Post#33 » by MAS » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:56 am

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Im quite aware my boy, he was kinda my wildcard, but i truly love his potential. I think he is going to be a very special Power Forward in the league. . And he is still 18 or 19, which means plenty of time to develop.

Just a hunch, but yes, i am aware he has 0 games under his belt.


I know you know, that was more of a "come on! how can you pick someone who hasn't proven a thing yet" type comment
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Post#34 » by ajaX82 » Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:09 am

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I know you know, that was more of a "come on! how can you pick someone who hasn't proven a thing yet" type comment


ah, my bad. continue on now chaps.
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Post#35 » by The_Child_Prodigy » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:06 pm

The fact that you mentioned Tanguay, The Sedin twins and Briere makes me believe you've never watched Richards play (especially Briere, because Richards has quite obviously been the best player on Philadelphia this season). Alex Tanguay... man, come on. Tanguay is as soft as they come, and there's a reason he's been demoted off the top line and been replaced by Huselius.


Iginla asked for that because Lanks and Juice were cold as ever. Iginla sparked that.

I would still take Richards over him but Tanguay was not demoted for bad play.

How can you debate Gaborik or Richards? I would take Gaborik he is amazing with the puck.

Sedin twins or Richards is a toss up, put anyone with teh Sedins and the player will do well.

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