And you think that Love and Beasley will lose the ability to hit a 3 pointer?
Iggy would basically always be on the floor with 2 of Love, Beasley, Webster, and Ellington. I honestly don't see a big spacing issue. Heck, even Tolliver can hit a 3.
I think we should trade Johnson for Iggy.
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SMAC-K wrote:Mayo>>>>Love and that 5th pick
OJ Mayo is one of the best defenders in the league, hes a two way player and hes a great passer and playmaker.
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Love doesn't spread the floor though. He doesn't camp out on the 3 point line waiting for kick outs, he's always under the basket going for the offensive rebound. I mean, the only times he shoots them is off the pick and pop and when he's trailing the play.
And while he would be on the floor with a combination of those guys, he'd also be spending the majority of the time with the rest of the starters. That means that at some point they're going to have Darko and Love under the rim and Beasley as the only one on the perimeter who can hit the long ball.
I don't think it's going to be a catastrophic problem but you can't just sweep it under the rug either.
And while he would be on the floor with a combination of those guys, he'd also be spending the majority of the time with the rest of the starters. That means that at some point they're going to have Darko and Love under the rim and Beasley as the only one on the perimeter who can hit the long ball.
I don't think it's going to be a catastrophic problem but you can't just sweep it under the rug either.
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shangrila wrote:Love doesn't spread the floor though. He doesn't camp out on the 3 point line waiting for kick outs, he's always under the basket going for the offensive rebound. I mean, the only times he shoots them is off the pick and pop and when he's trailing the play.
And while he would be on the floor with a combination of those guys, he'd also be spending the majority of the time with the rest of the starters. That means that at some point they're going to have Darko and Love under the rim and Beasley as the only one on the perimeter who can hit the long ball.
I don't think it's going to be a catastrophic problem but you can't just sweep it under the rug either.
I think this is slightly miscalculated. Our most common move is the give and go off the high post. Iggy gives an entry pass to Love and then curls around Love to the top of the key. Off of that Love will read the play and roll with Iggy or pop out for a jump shot. I can't think of a better combination of players to have off of that set up.
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Iggy might not have 3pt range, but he has legit mid-range. He will provide spacing.
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revprodeji wrote:Iggy might not have 3pt range, but he has legit mid-range. He will provide spacing.
I would say that his lack of 3pt range is a little overstated, too. This year he's shooting 36% on 2.5 attempts per game. For his career he's shooting 32% on 2.6 attempts per game.
Compare that to Kobe, who is shooting 32% on 3.8 attempts and 34% on 3.8 attempts for his career.
Johnson - 39% and 4.4 attempts
Brewer - 25% 1.9 attempts, 31% on 1.7 attempts career
Webster - 35% on 3.7 attempts, 37% on 3.6 attempts career
Ellington - 37% on 1.8 attempts, 39% on 2 attempts career

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AQuintus wrote:revprodeji wrote:Iggy might not have 3pt range, but he has legit mid-range. He will provide spacing.
I would say that his lack of 3pt range is a little overstated, too. This year he's shooting 36% on 2.5 attempts per game. For his career he's shooting 32% on 2.6 attempts per game.
Compare that to Kobe, who is shooting 32% on 3.8 attempts and 34% on 3.8 attempts for his career.
Johnson - 39% and 4.4 attempts
Brewer - 25% 1.9 attempts, 31% on 1.7 attempts career
Webster - 35% on 3.7 attempts, 37% on 3.6 attempts career
Ellington - 37% on 1.8 attempts, 39% on 2 attempts career
Nice point.
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Funny observation. When you tweet search "Iguodala" 75% of the posts are sixers fans complaining about how much he sucks.
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Krapinsky wrote:I think this is slightly miscalculated. Our most common move is the give and go off the high post. Iggy gives an entry pass to Love and then curls around Love to the top of the key. Off of that Love will read the play and roll with Iggy or pop out for a jump shot. I can't think of a better combination of players to have off of that set up.
Even if it is the most common, and I'm not sure if it is, it's still not by a wide enough margin to wipe away the other worries. I mean, what does Iguodala do when Ridnour/Rubio are playing the PnR with Love/Darko? Or when the team ISOs Beasley?
All I'm worried about is that his lack of great floor spreading is something opposing teams could use, especially when combined with Rubio's. I mean, they could potentially just sag into the key and dare those 2 to shoot. To me, the problem is there's no context. Maybe, as some of the Sixer fans like Foshan say, he's actually a good shooter with his feet set and it's just the fade aways and such that drop his percentage. Does anyone have a Synergy account? That would be awesome for this.
I realise he's not Andre Miller bad and I'm not saying the team shouldn't get him, but it is potentially an issue. If you believe the Mayo rumours, for instance, then it sounds like the FO is looking to put a shooter next to Rubio. I just don't think that's Iggy, even if I'd love him on this team.
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Krapinsky wrote:Funny observation. When you tweet search "Iguodala" 75% of the posts are sixers fans complaining about how much he sucks.
Ah, Philadelphia sports fans, those noted beacons of optimism.


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shangrila wrote:If you believe the Mayo rumours, for instance, then it sounds like the FO is looking to put a shooter next to Rubio. I just don't think that's Iggy, even if I'd love him on this team.
Mayo has shot over twice as many 3s as Iggy, but is only shooting better by a marginal difference (.365 to .361), so I'm not sure how valid that argument is.
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The Mayo rumors don't sound particularly believable either. Not that it matters for this discussion I suppose, because there aren't even rumors about Iggy, just the observation that he'd be a great addition.
Ah well, maybe if we're lucky, Kahn will take that sweet sweet remaining 5-6 million of cap space this summer and put a band-aid on the SG spot by signing Rasual Butler to a 4 year contract to "mentor" the young guys.
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Klomp wrote:shangrila wrote:If you believe the Mayo rumours, for instance, then it sounds like the FO is looking to put a shooter next to Rubio. I just don't think that's Iggy, even if I'd love him on this team.
Mayo has shot over twice as many 3s as Iggy, but is only shooting better by a marginal difference (.365 to .361), so I'm not sure how valid that argument is.
But he's more well known as a shooter. I remember the rumour said something like "Minnesota sees Rubio and Mayo working well together in the back court", which is what makes me think THEY think they need a shooter next to Rubio. It's just food for thought.
And, to be fair, Mayo is having a down year at 36% as his career average is 38%. Andre, meanwhile, is having a career year with his 36%, as his career is 32% and his best year before that was his sophomore season at 35%. Bit of a difference.
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I posted this over in Rube Chat and thought some here might find it interesting as well in regards to Iguodala. I hope this isn't a party foul over here...
I'm trying to not get my hopes up about Iguodala. Its not as if Philly is holding up a flashing sign saying "Iggy's on the block, we want salary relief!!!" Much of the Iggy hype has been entirely based on informed speculation, a few benign comments from Philly coach Collins, and the apparent poor fit of Iguodala and Turner.
The following excerpts are from an article entitled "Lynam: Rod Thorn and the state of the Sixers" By Dei Lynam of CSNPhilly.comAndre Iguodala, now in his seventh NBA season, is an example of a player who will never be close to perfection and will always make too much money for what he does -- unless you think like Thorn.
“He can rebound, he can pass, Andre can defend,” Thorn said glowingly. “He can do what very few people in the league, wing players can do and that is he can guard the top wing players and you don’t have to help him. I compare it to Darrelle Revis who plays corner back for the Jets. You put him on the top wide receiver and you forget him.
“He doesn’t shoot the ball great from outside that is the weakness of Andre right now, but he shoots the ball well in rhythm,” Thorn continued. “In Andre’s case, as I see it, and I’ve been here for a short time, I think he is sometimes looked at by fans and the pundits that he should be doing more and its brought up a lot how much money he makes – well how much money he makes is irrelevant to anything.
“I think he is a really good player, I think he has been under appreciated, personally, because I think he is a terrific player and I think he is not the problem.”
Thorn doesn’t have a problem with the three remaining years on Iguodala’s contract -- the final year being a player option at more than $15 million. Thorn views Iguodala as the pundits’ problem, not his own.
Instead, the president sees a lack of presence in the middle as a far greater issue and not one easily fixed.One definitely gets the sense that if Thorn could make a trade for a defensive big man, he would.
But if that’s not available, will Thorn move the longest tenured Sixer, Iguodala, to satisfy the restless fans?
Don’t hold your breath waiting for that move, because times are conservative in the NBA these days.
“You have more teams under the cap than you ever have in my time in the league,” Thorn said. “You have more teams that don’t want to be luxury tax-paying teams for a myriad of reasons. You have people very concerned with what will the new rules be. I don’t want to put my team in a position where I have no flexibility. That’s a real tough place to be. So it is harder, I am not saying impossible, but harder I think to make deals right now then it has been for the last four or five years anyway.”“He hasn’t had the ball in his hands as much with us but when you have Iguodala and Jrue and Lou, it is hard for him to get the ball,” Thorn continued. “Right now he doesn’t deserve to have the ball as much as the other guys. Now, if you go forward maybe that will change, that’s what you have to see. It is hard to make that judgment at this time. It is taking a leap of faith, OK, we are going to give him the ball – how would that effect the team? Would it effect positively or negatively?”
Thorn added that Turner has proven over the last 10 days that he and Iguodala can coexist on the floor, contrary to popular belief.
Of course, this could all be posturing by Thorn. But if you're pulling for Iguodala to become a Wolf anytime soon, this isn't the most encouraging interview/article.
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