Carmelo Anthony Thread (Denver Finalizes Deal With Knicks)

[enetric]

I'm willing to bet there is a swift followup move to this press conference to hammer home that we move on. Nothing that will commit a lot of money but I could see them trading Devin for Andre Miller + or something like that. Change the tenor of the team and fire another shot across the bow at Denver.

When push comes to shove I still think Denver comes back to the table begging for Favors and our 1st by the trade Deadline, especially if we can get a solid team oriented PG who will help Favors look good.

Yes, I agree. Saying its dead and it actually being dead are two different things.

Denver now has to go out there and see what they can get....and that's crap compared to what they asked for from us. This is good for the Nix though. Bad for Denver. Neutral for Melo. If I am the Nets at this stage...only way I even come back to the table is if Melo talks to them...and gives a firm YES. Without it...not wasting ONE SECOND MORE.

I want to say right now that the Bulls are idiots if they wont give up Noah for Melo. If they can get him and deal with Deng later...do it. Rose, Melo, Boozer beats Amare/Melo/Felton. Have to do it.

agreed. The Bulls are stupid to not take on Melo - he is a very good fit there.

The Knicks is also a no brainer the problem is just that their offer sucks mega donkey nuts. Don't know how Denver accepts it. Gotta think a last minute situation they would at least come back to us with an offer, and I have no doubt that we would accept it.

The more I think about it...the more I think my theory is on point. Melo said NY and maybe Bulls and that's it. We were being used. They can come try to use us all they want. If Melo isnt going to say yes...Melo has the final word. That was what I said last summer....and I think it comes back to that. All these talks are moot if Melo isnt on board Denver can only get the the best offer from MELO approved teams...PERIOD. If we cant get on that list....if we were never on that list...than dont waste your time trying to figure out the best offer. It has no bearing.

[enetric]

Really poor work by the Nets front office. I was hoping they would string this out to the trade deadline and then cut the strings, leaving Denver scrambling. Nice to see someone in charge has some sense though.

Nuggets can't be happy. The real prize the whole time was Favors and that's gone now (supposedly) because they were arguing over late 1st rounders. Nowhere else that they can get that kind of prospect.

Or, denver is unhappy because they cant use us anymore. The real prize may have been getting the Knicks or Bulls to give their best offers. Albeit less than our best offer...but if those are the only teams Melo will sign with...then Denver is dissapointed they lost their pawn.

[Lamak]

It sucks that the team isn't gonna get any immediate help, but the future is bright. Thankfully this is over.

[enetric]

Andre Miller and a 1st for Devin

I dont like Devin...but why would that trade make sense for us? An old PG and yet another pick? Makes no sense to root for that unless you are some sort of odd Andre Miller fan and care more about him than this team.

He's a Portland fan...

And I think I would do that anyway. Maybe both 1sts, the NOH and Portland.

We could then package the LAL, NOH and PDX 1st for one late lotto pick or a young player, maybe even Granger in the offseason if we added the GSW pick and pure cap.

Andre Miller probably wouldn't add many wins, but for a little less then half a season he is the type of point guard that will help Favors and Brook develop.

Oh stop it. You know better than to make me puke with the develop crap. Such nonsense. 3 months of a medicore veteran PG isnt going to make anyone see the light if the medicore old PG who coaches this team cant do it.

Make deals that help this team the most LONG TERM. Miller AINT IT.

[enetric]

The Nuggets are screwed!!!!!! Haha, they are going to scramble like crazy and Melo is going to be pissed! Finally, the Nets wised up. That stigma of pushing us around will be gone soon. Back to smart rebuilding yay!

Plus, who is to say that if we do smaller deals, build a quality team, and Melo does become a free agent, he doesn't come to us at a much cheaper price than the extension granted.

Bye Leon Rose.
Bye World Wide Wes.
Bye Josh Kroenke.
Bye Masai.

You're not re-tooling off of us.

Favors, become the beast that you're ready to be.

Melo will take the money. I would be shocked if Melo is a free agent this summer. I think he will sign with Denver and say...this is where I wanted to be all along with his fingers crossed before he becomes a free agent.

[enetric]

With the way these two press conferences have gone, I have the feeling King was the one desperately trying to trade for 'Melo, not Proky.

I dont know if we will ever know. But hearing it from the horses mouth? hearing that the man who makes the final call seems to "get it"? That is a huge sigh of relief. He said the most important thing. THe thing I say all the time. Make the wrong move...and it can set you back for 5-6 years. Doing nothing is BY FAR not the worst thing you can do in this sport.

I just hope he walks the talk....and if King isnt in sync..if he doesnt get it...that he is gone before he can screw up.

I didnt like when King referenced The Pistons as an example citing Billups, Ben etc...and saying you never know...you just try to get better. To cite the exception rather than the rule? I dont think much of that. All but the Pistons over the last 30 years had a top 3 NBA player of that season on their team the year they won it all. You cant just mish mash players and hope you get the Pistons. Most of the time you get the Grizzlies.

Well, he did first mention the Lakers as well and how Kupchak dealt with Kobe. In all fairness, I think he was trying to give examples of different ways championship teams were brought together, not citing the Pistons as the ideal model. But that's just my take.

He did? OK good. I only saw the excerpt. I missed the full airing of King. I saw the reply of Proky though. If anyone has a link to the entire thing with King, Proky, etc....please post it. I want to see if anything else stands out.

[treiz]

It's over!!!

Hallelujah!!!

[vincecarter4pres]

He's a Portland fan...

And I think I would do that anyway. Maybe both 1sts, the NOH and Portland.

We could then package the LAL, NOH and PDX 1st for one late lotto pick or a young player, maybe even Granger in the offseason if we added the GSW pick and pure cap.

Andre Miller probably wouldn't add many wins, but for a little less then half a season he is the type of point guard that will help Favors and Brook develop.

Oh stop it. You know better than to make me puke with the develop crap. Such nonsense. 3 months of a medicore veteran PG isnt going to make anyone see the light if the medicore old PG who coaches this team cant do it.

Make deals that help this team the most LONG TERM. Miller AINT IT.

There's 2 things.

1, I don't think Devin has much value. An expiring to clear his salary for the next two years and two guaranteed mid firsts is probably great value for him at this point.

There's probably only like 5 or 6 teams in the league that even want him at that type of price anyway, so for that reason alone I jump on that deal.

2, I wasn't saying it in the sense that I want Miller to add wins, I was saying it in the sense that he might add literally a couple more wins then Devin, but I could live with it.

Let's be real here, Devin is absolutely wretched and is pissed to even be here anymore. He's likely becoming a cancer and his style flatout destroys the play of Favors and Brook. A pass first vet like Miller, who can run the pick and roll would do wonder for Favors and Brook.
If you cant agree or admit to that, I think you're in denial.
Devin is a ball stopper, has no desire to run the pick and roll anymore, won't pass on fastbreaks and looks for himself 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
He is detrimental to young players that need the ball in their sweet spots and aren't necessarily good at creating for themselves.

After this season, let Miller go. He did his job for the last 30 games of this season and helped clear Devin's salary and brought two picks along for the ride to use, trade up in the draft with or trade for a young player on draft night/in the offseason.

I mean as I'm typing this, look how much better Favors looks just with Failmar in the game in place of Devin. The difference is night and day.

Devin sucks and not many teams are going to give up much for him.

[NyCeEvO]

Haha...the Nuggets will watch Favors and say "Uhhhhh....what did we do lol!!'

[JoseRizal]

We have pulled out of the Melo deal!!!!!

This just made my day!

[NyCeEvO]

There's 2 things.

1, I don't think Devin has much value. An expiring to clear his salary for the next two years and two guaranteed mid firsts is probably great value for him at this point.

There's probably only like 5 or 6 teams in the league that even want him at that type of price anyway, so for that reason alone I jump on that deal.

2, I wasn't saying it in the sense that I want Miller to add wins, I was saying it in the sense that he might add literally a couple more wins then Devin, but I could live with it.

Let's be real here, Devin is absolutely wretched and is pissed to even be here anymore. He's likely becoming a cancer and his style flatout destroys the play of Favors and Brook. A pass first vet like Miller, who can run the pick and roll would do wonder for Favors and Brook.
If you cant agree or admit to that, I think you're in denial.
Devin is a ball stopper, has no desire to run the pick and roll anymore, won't pass on fastbreaks and looks for himself 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
He is detrimental to young players that need the ball in their sweet spots and aren't necessarily good at creating for themselves.

After this season, let Miller go. He did his job for the last 30 games of this season and helped clear Devin's salary and brought two picks along for the ride to use, trade up in the draft with or trade for a young player on draft night/in the offseason.

I mean as I'm typing this, look how much better Favors looks just with Failmar in the game in place of Devin. The difference is night and day.

Devin sucks and not many teams are going to give up much for him.

Having a pass first PG for 30 games is not going to help the development of Favors or Lopez over the long term. You either have a PG who can make the game easy for you or you don't. It might hurt your team but not having one is not severely detrimental to your team. Just look at the Lakers. There's no point of doing that deal. I think Devin could be packaged for a better deal.

[JoseRizal]

Damn, Mik'o is dripping sweat right now.

Kyrie Irving and Danny Granger here we come!

Welcome home Derrick!

Brook, stop playing like a pussy!

Peace out Devin!

Agree. He should be in the radar right now...

[JoseRizal]

Andre Miller and a 1st for Devin

With the way he's playing? Amen to that...

[vincecarter4pres]

Damn, Mik'o is dripping sweat right now.

Kyrie Irving and Danny Granger here we come!

Welcome home Derrick!

Brook, stop playing like a pussy!

Peace out Devin!

Agree. He should be in the radar right now...

I don't think he's technically available right now, but I have a strong feeling he will be on draft night, for a lot less then people are going to think.

[JoseRizal]

Boom.

Epic image!!! Blew up in the Nuggets FO's faces...

[vincecarter4pres]

There's 2 things.

1, I don't think Devin has much value. An expiring to clear his salary for the next two years and two guaranteed mid firsts is probably great value for him at this point.

There's probably only like 5 or 6 teams in the league that even want him at that type of price anyway, so for that reason alone I jump on that deal.

2, I wasn't saying it in the sense that I want Miller to add wins, I was saying it in the sense that he might add literally a couple more wins then Devin, but I could live with it.

Let's be real here, Devin is absolutely wretched and is pissed to even be here anymore. He's likely becoming a cancer and his style flatout destroys the play of Favors and Brook. A pass first vet like Miller, who can run the pick and roll would do wonder for Favors and Brook.
If you cant agree or admit to that, I think you're in denial.
Devin is a ball stopper, has no desire to run the pick and roll anymore, won't pass on fastbreaks and looks for himself 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
He is detrimental to young players that need the ball in their sweet spots and aren't necessarily good at creating for themselves.

After this season, let Miller go. He did his job for the last 30 games of this season and helped clear Devin's salary and brought two picks along for the ride to use, trade up in the draft with or trade for a young player on draft night/in the offseason.

I mean as I'm typing this, look how much better Favors looks just with Failmar in the game in place of Devin. The difference is night and day.

Devin sucks and not many teams are going to give up much for him.

Having a pass first PG for 30 games is not going to help the development of Favors or Lopez over the long term. You either have a PG who can make the game easy for you or you don't. It might hurt your team but not having one is not severely detrimental to your team. Just look at the Lakers. There's no point of doing that deal. I think Devin could be packaged for a better deal.

The Lakers are a terrible example for a plethora of reasons, just not a relevant theory.

And if we didn't have a pass first point guard it wouldn't be that big a deal, but we don't even have a point guard period.

What we have is a ball stopping combo guard who mentally checked out two months ago and Failmar the Great backing him up.

[Preludepunk27]

Gotta say I'm relieved it's finally over.

Now we can focus on other things more important than Carmelo Anthony. Like American Idol cause that's how I roll!

[NyCeEvO]

The Lakers are a terrible example for a plethora of reasons, just not a relevant theory.

And if we didn't have a pass first point guard it wouldn't be that big a deal, but we don't even have a point guard period.

What we have is a ball stopping combo guard who mentally checked out two months ago and Failmar the Great backing him up.

The main point wasn't the Lakers, it was the fact that you don't NEED a pass-first PG to win or better yet, even to develop your team. Unless the pick we get back is good, there is no need to make the trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

The Lakers are a terrible example for a plethora of reasons, just not a relevant theory.

And if we didn't have a pass first point guard it wouldn't be that big a deal, but we don't even have a point guard period.

What we have is a ball stopping combo guard who mentally checked out two months ago and Failmar the Great backing him up.

The main point wasn't the Lakers, it was the fact that you don't NEED a pass-first PG to win or better yet, even to develop your team. Unless the pick we get back is good, there is no need to make the trade.

Of course you still need to make the trade.

Devin is a cancer on the court and after this whole fiasco, I wouldn't doubt off of it.

He's a ball stopper, he ruins development of players like Favors and Brook and makes this team almost unwatchable.

[JoseRizal]

SI Sources: Nuggets "extremely upset" by Nets decision to withdraw from trade talks...

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