[Camelo Thread Part 11] - Knicks make offer? Pg 82

Starksfor3 · Post #961 » by **Starksfor3** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:11 pm

Pharmcat wrote:from todays ny post

Walsh said his talks with Denver have been limited.

"Donnie's not comfortable in even knowing what Denver wants," a source close to Walsh said.

lol at our trade ideas if donnie doesnt even know whats needed

So how exactly does Donnie get it done if Denver doesn't want to talk to him? Should he break into Denver's offices and start shooting up the place?

What does Pharmcat suggest?

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #962 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:12 pm

Pharmcat wrote:from todays ny post

Walsh said his talks with Denver have been limited.

"Donnie's not comfortable in even knowing what Denver wants," a source close to Walsh said.

lol at our trade ideas if donnie doesnt even know whats needed

I trust nothing from the Post or the Daily News...NOTHING.

Post #963 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:14 pm

lol Marc Stein is still holding out hope that the Nets are bluffing.

Wipe your tears Marc.

It's

over

Jitpal · Post #964 » by **Jitpal** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:15 pm

Pharmcat wrote:from todays ny post

Walsh said his talks with Denver have been limited.

"Donnie's not comfortable in even knowing what Denver wants," a source close to Walsh said.

lol at our trade ideas if donnie doesnt even know whats needed

This is all negotiating. Donnie has been in this league long enough to know what a guy like Melo should cost. Ujiri might not have been clear with him but I'm sure Donnie has spoken to other GMs around the league that Ujiri has spoken to. If Ujiri keeps stalling, I'm guessing they will need a mediator to get things done a.k.a. Leon Rose. It'll happen, we still have a few weeks until the trade deadline. -Jitpal

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #965 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:16 pm

KnicksGod wrote:lol Marc Stein is still holding out hope that the Nets are bluffing.

Wipe your tears Marc.

It's

over

These fools holding out hope for the Jersey bluff don't pay attention to Melo saying, after last night's game, that New Jersey is over and no reason to talk about them anymore.

Starksfor3 · Post #966 » by **Starksfor3** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:18 pm

Jitpal wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:from todays ny post

Walsh said his talks with Denver have been limited.

"Donnie's not comfortable in even knowing what Denver wants," a source close to Walsh said.

lol at our trade ideas if donnie doesnt even know whats needed

This is all negotiating. Donnie has been in this league long enough to know what a guy like Melo should cost. Ujiri might not have been clear with him but I'm sure Donnie has spoken to other GMs around the league that Ujiri has spoken to. If Ujiri keeps stalling, I'm guessing they will need a mediator to get things done a.k.a. Leon Rose. It'll happen, we still have a few weeks until the trade deadline. -Jitpal

Leon Rose will direct his client to Chicago or someplace where he can run amok with his band of douchebag malcontents LRMR. He does not represent Carmelo. He represents all that is evil in this world (Lebron).

Post #967 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:19 pm

People who think Donnie's judgment will be affected by a losing streak know nothing about the man. This is a big picture, longterm move. He could care less about losing 4 games in January.

Starksfor3 · Post #968 » by **Starksfor3** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:19 pm

I wonder if pudgy boy here has invested in the Nets who supply his fatty snacks that go right to his fat face.

Post #969 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:23 pm

Starksfor3 wrote:

I wonder if pudgy boy here has invested in the Nets who supply his fatty snacks that go right to his fat face.

He also said his best estimates are that Melo will lose $40M on the next CBA.

LOL

$4M would be a lot.

Jitpal · Post #970 » by **Jitpal** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:23 pm

Starksfor3 wrote:
Leon Rose will direct his client to Chicago or someplace where he can run amok with his band of douchebag malcontents LRMR. He does not represent Carmelo. He represents all that is evil in this world (Lebron).

Perhaps but in the end it comes to Melo. If he doesn't want Chicago or some place else, then Leon Rose can't force him to extend there. Donnie is pretty vocal through the media that he is trying to get things done. Don't believe for a second that he didn't know that him saying he can get multiple draft picks wouldn't be connected to a potential Melo deal. It happened already earlier when the Nets traded for 2 1st rounders. Melo knows Donnie is trying. Melo knows that Denver is dragging their feet. Stuff doesn't get leaked to get leaked, it gets leaked to gain strategic advantage. Amare and Melo talk. If Melo wants NY, it'll happen. The other parties will have to get in line and reach a compromise. Have faith, it'll happen. -Jitpal

daBockas · Post #971 » by **daBockas** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:24 pm

trade thought, sorry if posted already

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4b8xklw

buike (80% insured)
curry (expring)
gallo
2 first rounders (through donnie's alleged magic)
mozgov

for

melo
harrington

yes i know, everyone hates no sharington, myself included but if we dont want to give up two out of the gallo chandler fields pool i see no other way than taking on al's contract. Nuggets get huge financial savings with curry and buike's contracts and unloading al's 5 year deal and get upside players in gallo and mozgov and a wealth of picks (which i'd debating giving 2, maybe just 1 of them). I think mozgov will be a decent pro, but i think we overvalue him. you can sub out gallo for chandler, but i think it's important we keep fields, guy looks to be the ultimate role player. starting five would be

felts
fields
melo
chandler
stat

harrington sixth man. we can worry about defense in the offseason, i dont think we're going to be able to get a decent big man until we pull a melo deal cuz otherwise we're too scared of salaries and assets that would ruin our chances.

god shammgod · Post #972 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:24 pm

Starksfor3 wrote:
Leon Rose will direct his client to Chicago or someplace where he can run amok with his band of douchebag malcontents LRMR. He does not represent Carmelo. He represents all that is evil in this world (Lebron).

chicago is less likely then us to give in to any of rose/wes's demands. not gonna happen.

Jitpal · Post #973 » by **Jitpal** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:27 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Starksfor3 wrote:

I wonder if pudgy boy here has invested in the Nets who supply his fatty snacks that go right to his fat face.

He also said his best estimates are that Melo will lose $40M on the next CBA.

LOL

$4M would be a lot.

Where do these numbers come from? Plenty of MLB and NFL players make over 15 million a year. How can anyone possibly believe that these owners are going to be ones to reverse the trend and lower salaries so substantially? So instead of Melo signing a 5 year, 100 million type deal he is going to sign a 4 year and 40 million type of deal? How the hell is Al Harrington going to make more than Melo? It just won't happen. -Jitpal

seren · Post #974 » by **seren** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:29 pm

40 million seems to be the new lie. BSPN writers have been pimping Melo to NJ hard.

Pharmcat · Post #975 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:29 pm

Starksfor3 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:from todays ny post

Walsh said his talks with Denver have been limited.

"Donnie's not comfortable in even knowing what Denver wants," a source close to Walsh said.

lol at our trade ideas if donnie doesnt even know whats needed

So how exactly does Donnie get it done if Denver doesn't want to talk to him? Should he break into Denver's offices and start shooting up the place?

What does Pharmcat suggest?

no im not suggesting violence, its just basketball you know :roll:

make a proposal asap, he has had 5 months, im sure he knows what he wants to offer when the time came, the time is now..that is what i want

as far as what Id give up? i think thats been posted b4, and like i said, i have no problems giving up expirings of mason and azu to take back harrington

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #976 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:29 pm

There is no way IN HELL a max player will be paid less than $16 mm per season--that's already lowballing them compared to their true market value.

towelie · Post #977 » by **towelie** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:32 pm

Jitpal wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
Starksfor3 wrote:

I wonder if pudgy boy here has invested in the Nets who supply his fatty snacks that go right to his fat face.

He also said his best estimates are that Melo will lose $40M on the next CBA.

LOL

$4M would be a lot.

Where do these numbers come from? Plenty of MLB and NFL players make over 15 million a year. How can anyone possibly believe that these owners are going to be ones to reverse the trend and lower salaries so substantially? So instead of Melo signing a 5 year, 100 million type deal he is going to sign a 4 year and 40 million type of deal? How the hell is Al Harrington going to make more than Melo? It just won't happen. -Jitpal

Essentially scare tactics from Melo's agents. Owners are demanding a hard cap as low as $40M, in which case a max contract (30% of cap) would only be around $12M/yr. Fat chance the owners get a hard cap in the new CBA though, let alone one that is $20M lower than the current soft cap.

Nonetheless, journalists are running with those numbers as if the owners are going to get all their demands in negotiations.

Moreover, if we really do get a hardcap in basketball, salaries are going to be rolled back. There really is no alternative but to scale existing contracts to fit under the cap, otherwise you'll have teams like the Mavs or Lakers who start out the new CBA at an unfair advantage with a $90M payroll.

Frankly, I don't see Melo's max going down much. At most, maybe to $16M/yr.

Post #978 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:33 pm

seren wrote:40 million seems to be the new lie. BSPN writers have been pimping Melo to NJ hard.

Well put I must say. The new lie is that Melo will lose 40M. Since he killed the Nets deal, they're stepping up the pressure. Actually we're hearing $40M to $60M.

So absurd it's not even laughable.

I’d be be pretty surprised if he’d lose anything more than $4M.

I repeat: The NBA is not going to have Rudy Gay making $18M and Melo making $11M. Never going to happen. Not in a million years. The league is all about seniority and an equitable structure.

And it would essentially be rewarding guys like lebron for giving his team one less year so he could jump ship. They won't reward that.

Truthfully, I’d be shocked to see Melo making anything less than about $1M less per year and I that is a stretch honestly because it means he’s making $6M less over the life of a deal. That’s $6M that the league cannot justify. If the NBA hits a homerun, they will lower everybody’s salary (existing contracts too) but you can bet every last dollar that the structure will be balanced across the board.

Pretty incredible that full-time NBA writers don’t understand this about the league. They’re legalistic, which is the opposite of punitive.

The league is made of lawyers who are rules-based and heavily focused on fairness and running a tight ship. They will NOT (in a zillion years) preside over a heavily imbalanced salary structure.

Jordan45822 · Post #979 » by **Jordan45822** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:33 pm

/quote]

Leon Rose will direct his client to Chicago or someplace where he can run amok with his band of douchebag malcontents LRMR. He does not represent Carmelo. He represents all that is evil in this world (Lebron).[/quote]

Chicago is the last team that would do that. Reinsdorf and Paxson are not people to mess with and give orders to.

Post #980 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:34 pm

LOL at losing 40 mill. Most NBA contracts aren't that large over the life of the deal.