Bursting the bubble

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Post#21 » by Montanajazz » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:30 am

3 players on the jazz team just said that players still don't know where they are supposed to be on the floor on both offense and defense! We are half way thru the season and THEY STILL DON'T KNow!! How about the jazz trade these players, whoever they are, for those who would fit the system! Me thinks, the coach should or could have an impact in motivating these p[layers or in getting new players. I know you all love the great almighty Sloan, But, Gee, isn't time to move on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Post#22 » by leorn » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:12 am

When I said maybe we can follow the spurs, I meant the spurs that were supposed to be so good last year because they landed Jefferson and did not come close to the expectations. This year they are meeting and exceeding the expectations. They didn't jump ship, they do have some decent rookies, but for the most part the personnel didn't change since last year. They just worked through it.

The best explanation I have heard is that they are gelling now and Pops changed their offense.
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Post#23 » by Luigi » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:38 am

We may still be the same old Jazz, but that means we are still a second round team.

We execute our offense in the half-court, which translates into wins in the playoffs. This is why we knock off 4 seeds all the time when they have HCA, even when we are ussually a bad road team.
In '03-'04, Jerry Sloan coached the ESPN predicted "worst team of all time" to 42-40.
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Post#24 » by BarneyGumble » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:00 pm

Luigi wrote:We may still be the same old Jazz, but that means we are still a second round team.

We execute our offense in the half-court, which translates into wins in the playoffs. This is why we knock off 4 seeds all the time when they have HCA, even when we are ussually a bad road team.


Wow. Talk about a recency bias.
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Post#25 » by king everything » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:29 pm

Just freaking humor me for Gods sakes and get a new coach. Just TRY it. Whats the worst that could happen? We lose in the first or second round of the playoffs? We're gonna do that anyways. Lets just freaking try it. 20+ years of this same old same old is enough.
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Post#26 » by kebutah » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:49 pm

Utah fans are hesistant to change anything. They still remember the AK of 7 years ago who did make a difference instead of the whiny self indulgent player we have now. Sloan has always been a great regular season coach where the system rules with little time between games. In the playoffs his shortcomings: poor bench management, resistance to change, personnel issues, opld defensive schemes, and adjusting to the opponent, are all exeplified by the 7 game series where great coaches adapt.
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Post#27 » by idajazz » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:00 pm

dalekjazz wrote:Since the Jazz have difficulty attracting star players they need a coach who implements a great system. Jeff Van Gundy would be a great pickup. He knows how to create a great defensive scheme which works in todays NBA. Sloan's defensive styles were good in the 1980's and early 1990's but don't work in today's NBA. The Jazz usually lead the league in fouls committed and have trouble guarding the perimeter.



I have to agree about Vangundy being a defensive genius!!!
The Poodle leg humper defence, Excellent scheme for stopping bigs. I think that scheme would be Amazing against the Lakers. Can't imagine why Sloan hasn't atleast tried it :roll:
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Post#28 » by The59Sound » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:57 pm

jc23 wrote:Sloan is a top 4 coach in the NBA and you are lucky to have him.


Seems other teams' fans can accept that easier.
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Post#29 » by The59Sound » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:00 pm

king everything wrote:Just freaking humor me for Gods sakes and get a new coach. Just TRY it. Whats the worst that could happen? We lose in the first or second round of the playoffs? We're gonna do that anyways. Lets just freaking try it. 20+ years of this same old same old is enough.


That's clearly not the worst that could happen. This team minus Sloan = no playoffs at all.
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Post#30 » by The59Sound » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:01 pm

kebutah wrote:Utah fans are hesistant to change anything. They still remember the AK of 7 years ago who did make a difference instead of the whiny self indulgent player we have now. Sloan has always been a great regular season coach where the system rules with little time between games. In the playoffs his shortcomings: poor bench management, resistance to change, personnel issues, opld defensive schemes, and adjusting to the opponent, are all exeplified by the 7 game series where great coaches adapt.


Sounds like you're remembering the AK of 3 years ago...
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Post#31 » by kebutah » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:53 pm

AK has continued to do similar things from 3 years ago. Two years ago he worked on vacation plans during a playoff series (Memo did too). His chin high dribble is lovely, but it usually leads to a fast break for the other team, which is similar to his 18 foot 15 footers. He is a poor on ball defender and he doesn't work hard enough (Consistently) to pick up the off the ball defense that was his trademark. Against NJ he missed two crunch time layups. Against Boston he started with an air ball, a missed layup, and a dunk while letting Paul Pierce do whatever he wanted. His salary for his production is the main reason we have been in CAP hell for the last three years.
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Post#32 » by BarneyGumble » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:30 pm

kebutah wrote:AK has continued to do similar things from 3 years ago. Two years ago he worked on vacation plans during a playoff series (Memo did too). His chin high dribble is lovely, but it usually leads to a fast break for the other team, which is similar to his 18 foot 15 footers. He is a poor on ball defender and he doesn't work hard enough (Consistently) to pick up the off the ball defense that was his trademark. Against NJ he missed two crunch time layups. Against Boston he started with an air ball, a missed layup, and a dunk while letting Paul Pierce do whatever he wanted. His salary for his production is the main reason we have been in CAP hell for the last three years.


Yeah...AK, sadly, is not near a top-money performer. He is holdind us back and hopefully we can sign him to a reasonable contract because he is a decent player at the right price.

I will say this....Andrei Kirilenko of 2004-2005 was one of the best players I had ever seen. Sadly, once he got injured and scouted better...he dropped off quite a bit.

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