Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

SJSF · Post #441 » by **SJSF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:10 pm

Foshan wrote:at 26, Iguodala is locked into a long term deal at the start of his prime, which means on a good team, he's a huge part of years of being competitive.

Also, moving Iggy or Brand (without moving the other) just makes us a significantly worse team without any $$ flexibility to improve.

Baby steps. One contract at a time.

SJSF · Post #442 » by **SJSF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:11 pm

tgo2223 wrote:I think iggy contract (combined with his playingtime) hurts us more than brands. U have to remember that brands contract runs out a year before iggys (and brand aint hampering the development on anyone)

+1 hampering is a good word.

Soren · Post #443 » by **Soren** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:27 pm

SJSF wrote:Brand is the only true defender/low post guy we have. Iggy, Noc, ET. There are 3 of them. Iggy is easily replaceable.

Noc is probably one of the worst defenders on the team that gets regular minutes. He's awful.

SJSF · Post #444 » by **SJSF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:44 pm

Soren wrote:
SJSF wrote:Brand is the only true defender/low post guy we have. Iggy, Noc, ET. There are 3 of them. Iggy is easily replaceable.

Noc is probably one of the worst defenders on the team that gets regular minutes. He's awful.

And rebounds and shoots the outside shot well. Also isn't afraid to drive to the basket.

Fire Mchale · Post #445 » by **Fire Mchale** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:46 pm

How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

ZzAzZ · Post #446 » by **ZzAzZ** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:53 pm

Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

In my honest opinion, I don't know of anyone who is clearly better than him at defending 2's or 3's or smaller perimeter 4's. As far as the ballstopper thing, it seems like he has more accepted his role this year as a defender and plays mostly within the offense.

SJSF · Post #447 » by **SJSF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:20 pm

Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

He is a defensive specialist. But on the offensive end i would say he is average at best. He can't dribble or shoot. And takes bad shots.

Soren · Post #448 » by **Soren** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:47 pm

SJSF wrote:
Soren wrote:
SJSF wrote:Brand is the only true defender/low post guy we have. Iggy, Noc, ET. There are 3 of them. Iggy is easily replaceable.

Noc is probably one of the worst defenders on the team that gets regular minutes. He's awful.

And rebounds and shoots the outside shot well. Also isn't afraid to drive to the basket.

That's great. He get's destroyed on the defensive end, is a slightly above average rebounder from the SF spot ang he gives you decent 3pt shooting as a consolation prize. And that's great. He drives to the basket. He's shooting a near career best 44.2% from the field including a probably flukishly high % at the rim. His 3pt shooting hasn't even really been tremendously above average this year.

He's awful. Completely. Terrible.

Skates · Post #449 » by **Skates** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:41 pm

SJSF wrote:
Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

He is a defensive specialist. But on the offensive end i would say he is average at best. He can't dribble or shoot. And takes bad shots.

Iggy is not a defensive specialist. He has an excellent handle generally, just not a great power dribble to the basket. He averages 14 ppg and in previous year has averaged up to 20. That doesn't count his assists which are clearly offensive contrinutions. You continually comapre him to guys like Thabo who do nothing but play D, and it makes your arguments look ridiculous when you do that.

Iggy is a willing passer and does not dominate the ball. He does handle it more than a guy like Wes Johnson who has no handle, but it is no Iverson-like ball hogging, not even Lou Williams like. Iggy is no superstar, but there are 20 something teams out there that would appreciate how his skills can meld seamlessly into a team game at a very high level. Like most of the players at his skill-level, he is overpaid somewhat. It is a product of a flawed cap system in the NBA that tends to over pay the just below all-star level guys too much on thier first big contract, and some who aren't even in Iggy's league.

SJSF · Post #450 » by **SJSF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:50 pm

Skates wrote:
SJSF wrote:
Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

He is a defensive specialist. But on the offensive end i would say he is average at best. He can't dribble or shoot. And takes bad shots.

Iggy is not a defensive specialist. He has an excellent handle generally, just not a great power dribble to the basket. He averages 14 ppg and in previous year has averaged up to 20. That doesn't count his assists which are clearly offensive contrinutions. You continually comapre him to guys like Thabo who do nothing but play D, and it makes your arguments look ridiculous when you do that.

Iggy is a willing passer and does not dominate the ball. He does handle it more than a guy like Wes Johnson who has no handle, but it is no Iverson-like ball hogging, not even Lou Williams like. Iggy is no superstar, but there are 20 something teams out there that would appreciate how his skills can meld seamlessly into a team game at a very high level. Like most of the players at his skill-level, he is overpaid somewhat. It is a product of a flawed cap system in the NBA that tends to over pay the just below all-star level guys too much on thier first big contract, and some who aren't even in Iggy's league.

He can't shoot or dribble. He was only scoring 17-20 a game because this team stunk and he took the most shots. So yes he is a defensive specialist on any good team. He showed again last night that he can't finish strong to the rim. ANd if he was such a good offensive player he wouldn't be asked to not shoot and dominate the ball like he does.

sixerswillrule · Post #451 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:05 am

Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

Iguodala is excellent defensively both at SG and SF.

He isn't very ball dominant. He can indeed play off the ball. He's able to make quick, smart passes without stopping the ball on offense. Iguodala also has the reputation of being bad shooter. He's actually pretty good when spotting up for an open look. Being on a team with players that draw more attention from the defense would provide him with more of these opportunities. With the Sixers he tends to take too many off the dribble, contested jumpshots. He'd likely take much less of these on a team with better offensive options for him to defer to.

Iguodala has a great ability to set up teammates. His ball-handling isn't exactly pretty but it definitely gets the job done. Combined with his athleticism and terrific court vision, he's one of the elite wings in terms of playmaking.

Ideally he is a #3 scoring option on a playoff team that could arguably be the team's 2nd best player when you consider his excellent defensive and playmaking ability. In that type of situation, I could see him putting up 16 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 47% shooting and 35% 3-point shooting.

ray ray · Post #452 » by **ray ray** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:42 am

If the sixers are only looking for salary relief. Would you do this deal:

Suns trade:
Vince Carter 18mil (4 mil buyout next year)
3 mil ( to help on the buyout)
Orlando's 1st Round pick for 2011

Sixers trade:
Andre Iguodala
Jason Kapono

Why for sixers:
Its going to be hard to get good value in return for Iguodala since the lockout is pending. If they wait for next year, its even going to be harder to trade Andre since David Stern wants to bring the salary cap down to 17-23% in players salaries. In this trade the sixers simply get salary relief and in the meantime, they get an extra 1st round pick for 2011.

Why for the Suns:
With this trade the Suns improve defensively and pretty much get the athleticism that they lost when they traded JRich. Andre seems like he would thrive in the Suns system especially with Steve Nash by his side. The Suns would drool to have Iguodala and Grant Hill defending the wing with Dudley and Childress backing them up.

Your thoughts??

Post #453 » by **Foshan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:47 am

If we were simply looking for financial relief, I think we could do better than that.

Since our FO has given every indication that we are not looking to make a move for financial relief, your deal looks even worse.

Sorry.

dac4m · Post #454 » by **dac4m** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:00 pm

Iguodala for Richardson

Sixers get to lose the contract.. Iguodalda would be great for Orlando.. and could be used to guard Pierce, Kobe, Wade, or LBJ

Richardson is good.. has a nearly equaivalent PER.. and is expiring if the Sixers want to get rid of him

whats not to like?

sixerswillrule · Post #455 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:03 pm

Because we need future pieces in a trade for Iguodala in addition to expirings. Your trade doesn't give us that. That's not to like.

SJSF · Post #456 » by **SJSF** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:20 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Because we need future pieces in a trade for Iguodala in addition to expirings. Your trade doesn't give us that. That's not to like.

J Rich gives them 3-5 more wins.

ZzAzZ · Post #457 » by **ZzAzZ** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:49 pm

Any "salary dump" with Iguodala has to have Brand attached.

freshie2 · Post #458 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:07 pm

Why does it have to have Brand attached?? So they can become more attractive to other free agents?? I can't see the Sixers making any deal solely as a salary dump...even if they lose both contracts next season, are they luring a superstar/high end player here?? I know it creates flexibility, but this past offseason really spoke volumes about what cap space does for a young team not based in NY, LA, or Florida.

freshie2 · Post #459 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:09 pm

Dei and Rod Thorn are going to talk about Iguodala on CSN in a few minutes...probably to say how great a defender he is and that his contract isn't a factor in any decision they make.

Fire Mchale · Post #460 » by **Fire Mchale** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:04 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
Fire Mchale wrote:How would Sixers fans rate Iggy's ability to defend SGs? The Wolves are absolutely horrible defensively and there's some hope that Iggy could shore up that hole. I've also read on here that Iggy tends to stop the ball a lot on offense. If he was in a more open offense, would this still be the issue or he does just like to dominate the ball?

Iguodala is excellent defensively both at SG and SF.

He isn't very ball dominant. He can indeed play off the ball. He's able to make quick, smart passes without stopping the ball on offense. Iguodala also has the reputation of being bad shooter. He's actually pretty good when spotting up for an open look. Being on a team with players that draw more attention from the defense would provide him with more of these opportunities. With the Sixers he tends to take too many off the dribble, contested jumpshots. He'd likely take much less of these on a team with better offensive options for him to defer to.

Iguodala has a great ability to set up teammates. His ball-handling isn't exactly pretty but it definitely gets the job done. Combined with his athleticism and terrific court vision, he's one of the elite wings in terms of playmaking.

Ideally he is a #3 scoring option on a playoff team that could arguably be the team's 2nd best player when you consider his excellent defensive and playmaking ability. In that type of situation, I could see him putting up 16 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 47% shooting and 35% 3-point shooting.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. Given our mess at the 2, I would be game with making a move for Iggy but I have a feeling that the Wolves will ultimately shy away due to his contract. Kahn seems to have a phobia about bringing on another big contract after moving Al Jefferson.

What I'm curious about is what the Sixers front office is hoping to get in return for Iggy since they've publicly stated that they won't just dump his contract. I think they might get disappointed.