Netaman wrote:Perhaps my talent judgement of Wallace as a player is off. As I stated before that's wholly possible because I don't see him play more then a couple times a year. Considering his contract is half that of Granger's I'd considered them somewhat close in value, though looking at that deeper it was obviously way off because Granger is that much better a player.
Half of Granger's?
He's paid nearly the same per year.
The premise of the point still remains. Chris Paul isn't sitting around anywhere discussing players, but if you think the Knicks haven't made themselves FAR MORE desirable as a destination based on their semi-success this year then your crazy. This is a perception league and the vision of most of the best players in this league rarely expands past tonight and tomorrow. Hence why we were almost forced to take on RIP.
BS, BS, BS!!!
The Knicks are attractive because they have a bonafide star, pretty much a top ten player. They have a coach player's like to play for, cap space and are in one of the greatest cities in the world which provides unparalleled marketing opportunites.
The Knicks are not attractive because of Raymond Felton, Landry Fields and Turiaf.
And we were "almost forced to take on Rip" because of Leon Rose and satisfying soft ass Chauncey Billups from crying into his Iphone because he would have to fly his daughters out to NJ first class on weekends for two months of their life...
Who knows if Melo even approved of Rip's cap crippling deal?
Forget the players names mentioned, being a competitive team on the rise is much more important to attract a big free agent then where our draft pick is.
But those draft picks can be an end to a means.
So you trade for Wallace now, he's just good enough to take us to 31 wins instead of 25 and we go from the 5th pick to the 11.
Then Danny Granger becomes available on draft night and Bird won't take the 11th pick for him, but he would have taken the 5th and the GSW pick and add to this we would have $18 million locked up in Crash and Outlaw, making it impossible for us to reasonably deal for Granger anyway.
This is just one of a million examples as to why it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
As far as the draft goes obviously 5 is better then 10, my point is we're not getting a franchise player at either spot. We are already in dead man's land.
You keep saying this, but you're wrong.
No man's land is middling talent that occasionally makes the 8th seed after overachieving and winds up late lotto at the end of most seasons.
Top 5 gives a much better chance at jumping into top 3 and just an overall better chance at a franchise guy, plus an infinitely better trade asset.
You think Boston would have been able to acquire Ray Allen with the 11th pick that summer to form their Big 3?
I agree with you that looking around the league, the top teams have acquired their top players through the draft. The problem is where are all the top players acquired?
Lebron - #1
Howard - #1
Rose - #1
CP3 - #3 WRONG
DWill - #2 WRONG
Duncan - #1
Melo - #3
Shaq - #1
Durant - #2
Kidd - #2
At first glance Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Nash, and KG are the only franchise players that were drafted outside the top 3 in the last decade+. Kobe & KG were HS players, Dirk was obviously one the first big international success stories. Wade was in perhaps the best draft ever. I don't know how many elite players will come out of the next 2 drafts. I do know that 3 will have the chance to change teams out of the above list.
*I might be missing some players b/c I chose the 'franchise' players I could think of off the top of my head.
Brandon Roy - 6xth overall
Chris Paul - 4th overall
Russell Westbrook - 4th overall
Dwyane Wade - 5th overall
Ray Allen - 5th overall
There aren't too many franchise guys in the league anyway, every team does not have one.
But the point being, at this point in this franchise's life, this is not the time to abandon a shot at one for a bunch of role players so we can go for the even bigger crap shoot, the true crap shoot and that is hoping for one of literally 3 franchise players to sign here, who may or may not even make it to free agency in two years in the first place, who again, are not going to be wowed by overrated players like Gerald Wallace, they are going to want to play with other true stars.
Your thinking is completely backwards.
Add to this, what is the problem with most of them coming out of the top3 picks?
We just had a top 3 pick, who although raw, has shown immense flashes of potential... Oh, and guess what? His trade value is through the roof, other GM's pine for him and he was almost the centerpiece of a trade for... Guess what? A franchise player...
Back to the above point, that being we are in a GREAT position to have another top 3 pick and another shot at a franchise guy, whether that be Kyrie Irving, Perry Jones, or trading that top pick for Chris Paul and then trading for another straight up star using Favors and then filling out the roster with high level role players like Gerald Wallace with a plethora of future picks.
All that is compromised if we deal for middling players now, gain meaningless wins and lose desperately needed draft position, no matter how the pick is ultimately used.
Get it now?
