[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[falcindor]

Gallo is going to be good eventually. The reason being: He puts in work during his summers. Last year he was bigger and the Knicks said he would be their SF not PF and so he got his body ready. Slimming down is no easy task. I think next year he will be more physically ready to be the guy we need him to. Physically hes very nimble and his coachability is up there too. His confidence is the one thing I see shaky at time but theres markable improvement in that area. I like that hes keeps getting better and improves where they ask him to. I dont think it comes down to whos better but whos going to be best part of a team.

My guess is Chandler is S&T for Melo over the summer and Denver makes him a rich man. As a #3 guy hes showing #1 talent. So someone will give him that shot.

[soby22]

dam these talks are getting too technical lol ...

[Context]

Gallo is going to be good eventually. The reason being: He puts in work during his summers. Last year he was bigger and the Knicks said he would be their SF not PF and so he got his body ready. Slimming down is no easy task. I think next year he will be more physically ready to be the guy we need him to. Physically hes very nimble and his coachability is up there too. His confidence is the one thing I see shaky at time but theres markable improvement in that area. I like that hes keeps getting better and improves where they ask him to. I dont think it comes down to whos better but whos going to be best part of a team.

My guess is Chandler is S&T for Melo over the summer and Denver makes him a rich man. As a #3 guy hes showing #1 talent. So someone will give him that shot.

Did you see the Dirk, Nelson, and Stat quotes on Gall and his development in my previous posts? My point was that I believe Donnie is very high on Gallo and doesn't have him available. What do you think?

[vallen]

This is the what some ignoramuses brush off. The American and overseas games are vastly different. Its like playing one way under one set of rules your whole life and then playing a totally different way under a new set of rules the next day.

Some ignoramuses forget that only a handful of Euros actually are able to make that transition. Gallos a solid role player. A 3rd option, lets not keep trying to pretend hes going to be the next Dirk.

[falcindor]

Gallo is going to be good eventually. The reason being: He puts in work during his summers. Last year he was bigger and the Knicks said he would be their SF not PF and so he got his body ready. Slimming down is no easy task. I think next year he will be more physically ready to be the guy we need him to. Physically hes very nimble and his coachability is up there too. His confidence is the one thing I see shaky at time but theres markable improvement in that area. I like that hes keeps getting better and improves where they ask him to. I dont think it comes down to whos better but whos going to be best part of a team.

My guess is Chandler is S&T for Melo over the summer and Denver makes him a rich man. As a #3 guy hes showing #1 talent. So someone will give him that shot.

Did you see the Dirk, Nelson, and Stat quotes on Gall and his development in my previous posts? My point was that I believe Donnie is very high on Gallo and doesn't have him available. What do you think?

Well it doesnt come down to who Donnie wants to keep. It comes down to who Denver wants. Neither are untouchable for Melo whos arguablly a top 10 player in this league.

[TrueWarrior]

I never said Gallo will ever be Dirk buddy. I just think this is his 2nd true season and hes going to get much better, wherever that leads. I believe he can reach Kukoc/Shrempf/Orlando Hedo level. He would be the perfect guy to put next to Melo in my eyes. A great 3rd option or 6th man on a contender. Fields too, which is why I prefer to keep them over Chandler/Randolph for reasons Ive stated way too many times.

But this thread is getting off topic. None of our young players are untouchable for Melo. I only think Donnie has his preferences like all of us. Lets get one thing straight though... its not about who Denver wants. We have more leverage than they do. They have more to lose. Donnie isnt going to bend over for em.

[Context]

This is the what some ignoramuses brush off. The American and overseas games are vastly different. Its like playing one way under one set of rules your whole life and then playing a totally different way under a new set of rules the next day.

Some ignoramuses forget that only a handful of Euros actually are able to make that transition. Gallos a solid role player. A 3rd option, lets not keep trying to pretend hes going to be the next Dirk.

I'm not pretending or in denial-etc. I believe Gallo can be an all-star. I think he's tougher than Dirk. Dirk said he is FURTHER/more advanced than he was in his first TWO years. It's this system that's bad for his overall development-yet he continues to improve. I would bet any money if Gallo ever becomes the focus of any offense he will be a all-star in this league. I love what I see so far.

[Knickplaya]

Everything that we have seen over the last couple years would indicate how much they LOVE gallo.

Look at Al Harrington's recent comments on how Gallo had preferential treatment, and it made things awkward in the locker room. This is D'Antoni's Roomate's son.

I mean D'Antoni the other day before Gallo played Monday said something like Well Gallo when he comes back of course will start, so it has been good to see other guys step in. I was a little surprised he said "of course", because I think if you start Wilson at the 3, and shuffle the lineup and play Turiaff at the 5-- you don't lose terribly too much (when bringing Gallo off the bench).

I have continued to say it would be hard for me to see them trade Gallo (not just because of my personal attachment to him)....he is just a perfect player for D'Antoni's system (and Walsh clearly isn't going to go with another coach despite all the Phil Jackson recent talk). Once Gallo develops a post game and his body improves he will be almost unguardable.

With the belief that Melo will sign with NY (no matter what) this summer...and possibly fewer teams/the Rockets maybe not offering dirt for Melo-- it would be foolish to deal Gallo.

This also supports my belief that IT IS possible to acquire Melo for assets OTHER than Fields, Chandler or Gallo.

If we traded AR for a 2012 pick, and then we traded Toney and 3 M for a 1st rd pick,

We could then send out 2011, 2013, and the pick that we pick up in the TD trade. This would give Denver 3 picks, and if it's KNOWN information that Melo WILL NOT sign the extension with ANYONE but NY---------------Who is going to deal more than 3 picks for a quarter a season of Melo?

[Context]

He would be the perfect guy to put next to Melo in my eyes

But this thread is getting off topic. None of our young players are untouchable for Melo. I only think Donnie has his preferences like all of us. Lets get one thing straight though... its not about who Denver wants. We have more leverage than they do. They have more to lose. Donnie isnt going to bend over for em.

Back to Melo... My whole point was to say that I don't believe Gallo has been made available for the Melo trade.

[stevieg987]

Chandler costs too much money? How do we know what he will get to decide that he'll cost too much money? He could. He could not. Will depend on CBA. What teams have what cap and how they view him. It's not an automatica that he costs too much.

As far as rebuilding team goes. Chandler is 26 years old. Right in the age range of a rebuilding team. He's improved every single year and he has shown he can produce. He isn't Carmelo or Durant but let's not play him out to be crap (like we've apparently already mistakenly played Anthony Randolph to be crap).

Doen't mean that Denver likes him...but doesn't mean he has no value. Trades don't stop after Melo is moved. They keep going. The Knicks got what they felt was great value for David Lee who was in the same exact situation that Chandler will be in. Denver can do the same with Chandler (spinning him in a sign-and-trade for something that they might actually like).

As far as why would a rebuilding team want Gallinari? Huh? He's 23 years old. He's talented. He's marketable to various aspects of the fanbase and he's still on his rookie contract. Dude...not every rookie, young player or draftee (or potential player to be drafted) can be Kevin Durant. And every rookie eventually has to be paid. Honestly, people are getting carried away with this "getting close to RFA" craziness.

And if Gallinari isn't someone they like, some other team will like him and give you the assets that you might like.

Then why hasn't Walsh done it already? Why should he do anything unless and until he can get Denver to be actually willing to deal with them? So what you want Walsh to do is to go ahead and dismantle his team that had been 22-17 and on a roll for the chance that MAYBE he would konw what Denver woudl like so that MAYBE Denver would eventually deal with NY?

Come on.

1. On Chandler. NBA players peak at about 25-27. Chandler has fired his agent and is gunning for 8-10 million. That makes him too old and too expensive for a team that will be rebuilding the next 2-3 years.

2. How is Gallo marketable? Being white helps, but an above average white d00d on a 30 win team isn't putting asses in seats. That leaves his value as a player and one of the few things all reports have agreed on (beyond Melo's desire to play in NY) is they don't like Gallo. You may think they're wrong but that is their opinion.

3. I would be stunned if it turns out Denver hasn't given NY a list of young players in the league that they like. Do you really think Walsh hasn't asked some variation of the following question after Denver rejected Gallo/Chandler: "If you don't like Gallo/Chandler could you give us a list of players you do like so we could try to work out a three team trade or sub-trade?" I'm sure that question has been asked and answered by Denver. The problem probably is neither Gallo and/or Chandler can bring them over.

If I was Denver and given the choice between players they don't like (which I think isn't BS. I don't think they like Gallo and don't want to pay Chandler) and don't think they can use in trades or trying to call Melo's bluff and hoping the CBA breaks their way, I would go with the latter.

To me it looks like Denver (as much as any person or organization) is behaving like a rational actor.

Just a minor correction, Gallo is 22 and Chandler is 23.

[vallen]

I agree nobodys untouchable, and another Chandler Gallo hijacking is pointless, as in ill support whomever were left with. In Donnie I trust.

[Knickplaya]

If we traded AR for a 2012 pick, and then we traded Toney and 3 M for a 1st rd pick,

We could then send out 2011, 2013, and the pick that we pick up in the TD trade. This would give Denver 3 picks, and if it's KNOWN information that Melo WILL NOT sign the extension with ANYONE but NY---------------Who is going to deal more than 3 picks for a quarter a season of Melo?

[Context]

Just a minor correction, Gallo is 22 and Chandler is 23.

Let the hate continue. Just wow on these guys ages I'm starting to think Denver is just being spiteful now

[sp6r=underrated]

Just a minor correction, Gallo is 22 and Chandler is 23.

Let the hate continue. Just wow on these guys ages I'm starting to think Denver is just being spiteful now

yea that was wrong on my part. for some reason I thought he was older. I guess shouldn't have beers anymore at lunch

[Knickplaya]

Also guys many of you believe Gallo may not be avaliable--- and many of you belive Chandler isn't of interest because the RFA/Raise coming his way situation-- so who does that leave?

Does anyone agree if we can trade for 2 picks and trade 3 of them (2011 knicks, 2013 knicks, and a pick we acquire)?

[Context]

If we traded AR for a 2012 pick, and then we traded Toney and 3 M for a 1st rd pick,

We could then send out 2011, 2013, and the pick that we pick up in the TD trade. This would give Denver 3 picks, and if it's KNOWN information that Melo WILL NOT sign the extension with ANYONE but NY---------------Who is going to deal more than 3 picks for a quarter a season of Melo?

Exactly... I'm going on record in saying that from this point forward I have no concerns. I expect the Knicks to have at least (by next year) a team consisting of Stat, Melo, Gallo and Felton. I am hoping for Fields to be in that group as well. In Donnie I trust as well. Melo will toughen it out. Denver take the 3 picks now before you only get 1 in the summer...

[Context]

Just a minor correction, Gallo is 22 and Chandler is 23.

Let the hate continue. Just wow on these guys ages I'm starting to think Denver is just being spiteful now

yea that was wrong on my part. for some reason I thought he was older. I guess shouldn't have beers anymore at lunch

LMAO, hey, we've all made that "age" mistake in discussions...

[Context]

Also guys many of you believe Gallo may not be avaliable--- and many of you belive Chandler isn't of interest because the RFA/Raise coming his way situation-- so who does that leave?

Does anyone agree if we can trade for 2 picks and trade 3 of them (2011 knicks, 2013 knicks, and a pick we acquire)?

Makes sense to me...

[sp6r=underrated]

Also guys many of you believe Gallo may not be avaliable--- and many of you belive Chandler isn't of interest because the RFA/Raise coming his way situation-- so who does that leave?

Does anyone agree if we can trade for 2 picks and trade 3 of them (2011 knicks, 2013 knicks, and a pick we acquire)?

Makes sense to me...

Does that work under the cap?

[Knickplaya]

I wonder if Mozgov has any interest in the league, would Mozgov, 3 M, a 2nd Rd Pick get us a 20 something pick?