Jazz are content at being average!

[kd35sneighbor]

We are definitely not elite this season.

[QuantumMacgyver]

You do realize that you are saying the Jazz should sacrifice the future, for what MIGHT make us better, to one of our biggest rivals! That's like America trading Nukes to China for financial relief right now.

The future? I don't like this trade idea, but if we're gonna call Hayward and a future 1st our FUTURE, then I hope 2012 truly is the end.

Good ol Jazz fans- falling in love with players who'd look good in a white shirt and black tie since 1978.

Yeah by definition, young talent and FUTURE picks are the future. What holds more sway on a small market teams future success than young talent and draft picks? It's not like we can rely on signing big name free agents. Like it or not, young talent and picks are the Jazz future. And there are just as many Jazz fans who are biased against Hayward cuz he looks like a missionary as there are Jazz fans who are in love with him for looking like a missionary. Kids biggest strength is also his biggest downfall, he looks like a Utahn.

[free_bird]

I agree with most of the other posters here in that Melo is not the answer and team chemistry is not a fit. Now back to what they need in your opinion. If SG and SF is what they are looking at (and I will assume that the players should be sound defensively and or a great scorer) then Detroit could probably part with either RIP or Ben Gordon. As for SF I would look at the Sixers or AI. Now I do not consider any of these defensive stoppers but offensively they are fine. But now you also have to consider payroll, team chemistry, time of the season to learn the system on the fly, etc.

Just some thoughts, but as another poster mentioned you have to get another GM to agree without giving up the future.

Time to break out the Magic 8 Ball and look for an answer.

[Fido]

And this is where it gets tough--all those guys mentioned have very large contracts that go for a few more years. If you make that deal, you must live with the fallout for the next 3 seasons--not just until the end of the year.

[jazzed77]

And this is where it gets tough--all those guys mentioned have very large contracts that go for a few more years. If you make that deal, you must live with the fallout for the next 3 seasons--not just until the end of the year.

Thats the thing, are the Millers willing to take BIG risks to try and win it all???? If not honestly I would rather see the team leave to owners that will bc otherwise the Jazz are just a more successful version of the Clips....

[QuantumMacgyver]

And this is where it gets tough--all those guys mentioned have very large contracts that go for a few more years. If you make that deal, you must live with the fallout for the next 3 seasons--not just until the end of the year.

Thats the thing, are the Millers willing to take BIG risks to try and win it all???? If not honestly I would rather see the team leave to owners that will bc otherwise the Jazz are just a more successful version of the Clips....

I think the Jazz dig take big risks in trying to win. They spent what they could in the off-season AND brought in a big contract in Jefferson. There's a big difference between taking BIG risks and tying your franchise around the ankles. Look at Philly. They took big risks that failed and now they are screwed! With nowhere to go but down. The Jazz can't afford to gamble like Philly did. They are being smart and doing what they can to provide a team worthy of the fans attention. We might not ever be the Celtics, but we will always compete, and never be the Sixers.

[jackolso]

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[MeestR]

There are 19 teams in the NBA with worse records than the Jazz. And of the ten that have a better record, 5 of them are better by only one win or two.

It's amazing how many people want to throw in the towel on the Jazz before the All Star break. It's a long season.

They'll finish somewhere between 6th and 3rd in the west. They may make it out of the first round this year to the second round. They'll finish with win rate around 65%. A 65% win rate will keep them in the top 7 teams in the NBA. That sure beats being in the bottom 7 teams.

To get out of the west, they would have to beat San Antonio 4 times in 7 games. That's not going to happen, unless San Antonio has some serious injuries. The Lakers won't get by San Antonio either.

The Jazz don't need to make any trades. There isn't a trade that could make them the favorite over San Antonio. And there isn't a trade or free agent they can afford and who would be willing to play in Utah that could get the Jazz into the finals, this year or for the next few years.

The Jazz have the 6th highest payroll in the NBA and they'll wind up about the 6th to 8th best team in the NBA. The Heat are the most dollar efficient team in the NBA. If they make it to the finals, they are a real bargain. San Antonio is very close. If the Jazz had the highest payroll in the NBA, they would still lose to both of those teams in the playoffs.

Here's a list of the 2011 free agents. Which ones, assuming they would play in Utah, could take the Jazz to the finals?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17517

What is going to happen if next year's team looks similar to this year's team? I guess it's time to move.

that's what everybody here is complaining about. with the exception of 4 or 5 years, that is what the expectations have been for the jazz every year since they took the showtime lakers to 7 games more than 20 years ago. expecting the same thing over and over again-especially when the expectations aren't even a championship, is the same thing as throwing in the towel. sometimes beating those expectations requires a bit of a risk. sometimes it requires standing pat.

last night we saw what kind of risk jazz were willing to take this year- subbing a rookie into the starting line-up in place of a veteran and (former) all-star. when you cheer for a team who takes these kind of risks, where SHOULD your expectations be? see why it's so frustrating?

[jazzed77]

exactly meestr....I'm happy the Jazz are making the playoffs I just wish they would do something to show that an NBA championship is their goal....I understand only a few teams have won it over the past 20 years or so but every team's ulitmate goal should be to win it all....

[QuantumMacgyver]

exactly meestr....I'm happy the Jazz are making the playoffs I just wish they would do something to show that an NBA championship is their goal....I understand only a few teams have won it over the past 20 years or so but every team's ulitmate goal should be to win it all....

Outside of shaking up the starting line-up and rotations, the Jazz are doing what they should be doing right now. Standing pat. With the threat of a lockout looming and a new CBA on the way, the Jazz should wait it out and see what everyones options are next year. Fingers crossed for a revenue sharing system. This would fix a lot of teams biggest problems, and make the league more competitive.

[jackolso]

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[jazzed77]

That sounds great n all except you keep including the Spurs....who are also a small market team that DID make a bold move in aquiring RJ....it looked like a huge mistake last year now they're being talked about as favorites...I'm not sure why you seem to equate wanting the team I love to make some changes whether internal or via trades to become a championship contender with goin all or nothing.... there is some middle ground...

[jackolso]

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[king everything]

You do realize that you are saying the Jazz should sacrifice the future, for what MIGHT make us better, to one of our biggest rivals! That's like America trading Nukes to China for financial relief right now.

The future? I don't like this trade idea, but if we're gonna call Hayward and a future 1st our FUTURE, then I hope 2012 truly is the end.

Good ol Jazz fans- falling in love with players who'd look good in a white shirt and black tie since 1978.

Yeah by definition, young talent and FUTURE picks are the future. What holds more sway on a small market teams future success than young talent and draft picks? It's not like we can rely on signing big name free agents. Like it or not, young talent and picks are the Jazz future. And there are just as many Jazz fans who are biased against Hayward cuz he looks like a missionary as there are Jazz fans who are in love with him for looking like a missionary. Kids biggest strength is also his biggest downfall, he looks like a Utahn.

Young talent?
Maybe I'm missing something here- and for the record, I like Hayward, although not as a top ten pick- but this kids UPSIDE is Mike Dunleavy Jr.

I'm just sayin... if Hayward wasn't here tomorrow... somehow our future wouldn't change.

[kebutah]

Hayward's problem is that the FO built up the value of the NY pick for years. Then we have a team with needs and we are told to give our top ten pick 2 years to show anything. I have no idea what his ceiling is, but I know he isn't making our team stronger in our areas of weakness right now. The FO is always telling fans to give this team a chance to be healthy, let's see what this team can do when they play together, etc. Now I get to wait another two years to experience what we have-it is extremely frustrating.

[QuantumMacgyver]

Young talent?
Maybe I'm missing something here- and for the record, I like Hayward, although not as a top ten pick- but this kids UPSIDE is Mike Dunleavy Jr.

I'm just sayin... if Hayward wasn't here tomorrow... somehow our future wouldn't change.

I might be missing something too. Homeboy suggested trading Hayward and a future pick. Hayward is young. Hayward is talented. With future picks, teams generally look to draft... young, and talented kids. Thus "young talent" is the future of any small market franchise. Unlike teams like the Lakers who don't have to rely on grooming young, talented players. They just wait and sign them once they are developed. And rest assured, if the Jazz traded Hayward AND a future pick to rent Carmelo for a few months, our future WOULD change.

[jackolso]

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