[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[cgmw]

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Melo takes us from 6th to 4th in the East. We need more than just him. Getting him is a good start though

Melo and Amare make us better than Orlando and Chicago in a series, while making us a tough out for the Heat.

It would make us clearly better than Chicago. It evens us up with Orlando. If we defend, then yes, I think we could take them out. It makes us better than Atlanta too, IMHO.

It doesn't make us better than Miami or Boston though. Not without a serious upgrade to interior defense.

For the sake of argument, how far could a lineup like this go vs. Atlanta, Chicago, Orlando, Boston and/or Miami in the playoffs?

5. Amar'e (Turiaf)
4. Carmelo (Shawne)
3. Gallinari (Al Harrington)
2. Rudy Fernandez, JR Smith, or Brandon Rush
1. Felton (Ridnour, Telfair or Anthony Carter)

Obviously we wouldn't have the size to match up, but could the other teams really shut down our scorers? Personally, I don't see Atlanta or Chicago stopping it.

[GONYK]

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Melo takes us from 6th to 4th in the East. We need more than just him. Getting him is a good start though

Melo and Amare make us better than Orlando and Chicago in a series, while making us a tough out for the Heat.

It would make us clearly better than Chicago. It evens us up with Orlando. If we defend, then yes, I think we could take them out. It makes us better than Atlanta too, IMHO.

It doesn't make us better than Miami or Boston though. Not without a serious upgrade to interior defense.

For the sake of argument, how far could a lineup like this go vs. Atlanta, Chicago, Orlando, Boston and/or Miami in the playoffs?

5. Amar'e (Turiaf)
4. Carmelo (Shawne)
3. Gallinari (Al Harrington)
2. Rudy Fernandez, JR Smith, or Brandon Rush
1. Felton (Ridnour, Telfair or Anthony Carter)

Obviously we wouldn't have the size to match up, but could the other teams really shut down our scorers? Personally, I don't see Atlanta or Chicago stopping it.

I think when we are on our game, we could take out Atlanta or Chicago right now. Melo would clearly put us over those teams.

That team, unless Gallo becomes a consistent 17 PPG scorer, isn't getting past the upper echelon of the East.

[Knickplaya]

The only team Size I would worry about is LA. I'm not worried about Dwight. I'm not worried about Dwight in the playoffs, we can contain him.

[GONYK]

The only team Size I would worry about is LA. I'm not worried about Dwight. I'm not worried about Dwight in the playoffs, we can contain him.

We can contain him as an offensive weapon. We can't contain him as a rebounder, and we certainly can't pencil in Amare dominating with Dwight in the paint, which will be the difference in a 7 game series unless we shoot the lights out.

[Knickplaya]

I just don't see how anyone would stop us??????????? Felton keeps the defenses honest because he can drive, or shoot-- Melo does it all, Amare will benefit so much with Melo being on the court things will open up for him, and how will any D even think about guarding Gallo? Why wouldn't we shoot lights out????????????

[GONYK]

I just don't see how anyone would stop us??????????? Felton keeps the defenses honest because he can drive, or shoot-- Melo does it all, Amare will benefit so much with Melo being on the court things will open up for him, and how will any D even think about guarding Gallo? Why wouldn't we shoot lights out????????????

How will we stop the other team from not shooting the lights out?

That team does not get past Miami. Not the way the Heat play defense.

[cgmw]

The only team Size I would worry about is LA. I'm not worried about Dwight. I'm not worried about Dwight in the playoffs, we can contain him.

We can contain him as an offensive weapon. We can't contain him as a rebounder, and we certainly can't pencil in Amare dominating with Dwight in the paint, which will be the difference in a 7 game series unless we shoot the lights out.

That's exactly the problem. If Serge Ibaka and Darren Collison can combine to shut down Amar'e in clutch time, then how will Dwight Howard do in a 7 game series? Honestly, the Noah/Boozer combo and the Josh Smith/Horford duo would also combine to give Amar'e hell in a playoff series.

That said, the point of having Carmelo + Gallo + Felton + jump shooting role players is to open up the offense for Amar'e to have single coverage.

It's a valid question... Probably THE most important question of this whole Walsh/D'Antoni/Amar'e/Melo era... Can it succeed against bigger teams in the playoffs?

[GONYK]

The only team Size I would worry about is LA. I'm not worried about Dwight. I'm not worried about Dwight in the playoffs, we can contain him.

We can contain him as an offensive weapon. We can't contain him as a rebounder, and we certainly can't pencil in Amare dominating with Dwight in the paint, which will be the difference in a 7 game series unless we shoot the lights out.

That's exactly the problem. If Serge Ibaka and Darren Collison can combine to shut down Amar'e in clutch time, then how will Dwight Howard do in a 7 game series? Honestly, the Noah/Boozer combo and the Josh Smith/Horford duo would also combine to give Amar'e hell in a playoff series.

That said, the point of having Carmelo + Gallo + Felton + jump shooting role players is to open up the offense for Amar'e to have single coverage.

It's a valid question... Probably THE most important question of this whole Walsh/D'Antoni/Amar'e/Melo era... Can it succeed against bigger teams in the playoffs?

Only if everyone plays at their best. As we have seen this month, if one of the gears stop turning, the whole machine falls apart.

[Knickplaya]

We would have a shot to beat them. It's possible. I did not say we'd be title favorites. I meant to imply that we could legitimatley pull an upset with the level of talent we would have on the roster.

It's true, we could pull off an upset over a team like Miami, or Boston, or Orlando, despite being flawed fundamentally, or on defense, or with rebounding, or by not having enough players that D'Antoni is comfortable with in the rotation.

[spree8]

After these reports about Melo being willing to wait for us, I don't see Donnie giving up too much. I could see him accommadating the Nugz with a few picks from a Randolph trade and one he purchases with cash, and nothing more than Wilson and Curry's expiring. Definitely not Fields or Gallo.

Chandler is up for a new contract and after trading for a contract of 65 mil over 3 years, I could see him wanting to avoid adding an additional 8 mil per year. A third team will more than likely get involved to take Wilson, and I think we would do ourselves a favor by taking Andersen in the deal to beef up our inside defense. Adding Azubuike's expiring would get that done. Getting Birdman would help a lot in the playoffs against teams like Boston and Miami.

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Walker/Mason
Melo/Gallo
Amare/Williams
Turiaf/Andersen/Moz

That team could beat anyone in the East in a 7 game series.

[GONYK]

We would have a shot to beat them. It's possible. I did not say we'd be title favorites. I meant to imply that we could legitimatley pull an upset with the level of talent we would have on the roster.

It's true, we could pull off an upset over a team like Miami, or Boston, or Orlando, despite being flawed fundamentally, or on defense, or with rebounding, or by not having enough players that D'Antoni is comfortable with in the rotation.

That totally depends on who we trade for Carmelo. We will need a lot of talent to beat those teams. Even if we have Amare/Melo/Ray, if we come off the bench with Walker, Willams, Dougie, and Ronny, we will lose.

[Knickplaya]

I think this whole Nene situation is a very very big deal. If the fans and the public didn't know that the players are anoyed, they do now. This is getting messier as the days go on. Nene wants out now? This is crazy. This is an absolute PR nightmare, and it's getting worse-- and you have to think that Denver does not want it to get much worse. They might need to take what the Knicks are offering, and that might be Landry Fields, and a pick, and AR, and that could get it done.

[GONYK]

I think this whole Nene situation is a very very big deal. If the fans and the public didn't know that the players are anoyed, they do now. This is getting messier as the days go on. Nene wants out now? This is crazy. This is an absolute PR nightmare, and it's getting worse-- and you have to think that Denver does not want it to get much worse. They might need to take what the Knicks are offering, and that might be Landry Fields, and a pick, and AR, and that could get it done.

I doubt that alone gets it done, but we gain more leverage every time something like this happens.

Hell, if they want to unload Nene along with Melo, they can have all 3 of our young guys.

[Knicker23]

They're also going on the road for a bunch of easy win games - winning does make things easier...and the road, in this situation, will be nice for them.... At the end of the day, Denvers probably thinking 'lets try and get as many wins out of this as we can'...Meanwhile, the more the Knicks lose / feel they need a change i'd imagine the more Denver feels they are in a better position....

but lets be honest, the Feb. deadline is inching closer every day, do they really want to risk not being able to get a deal off in time just to hold onto Melo for a few more games? I'd imagine they think they can accept a deal and be done with it in a night with the Knicks and are thus in no rush...be it other offers or pushing the knicks and seeing if they'll budge.... they probably see us as a sort of like a fall back at this point, assurance when they have to make a deal..... unbeknownst to them that that assurance is there only possible deal so long as melo holds out...but as said, that doesn't put them in any rush... other than for this whole ordeal to be over with..

[Knicks218]

Knicks need another scorer and a defensive stopper, Dantoni's old suns who he had his most success with had 2 main scorers Amare+Nash and the had 2 defensive stoppers Raja Bell+Marion.

IMO the knicks need Melo+Iguodala.

Knicks get; Melo,Iguodala,Battie.
Denver gets; Chandler,Fields,Curry 1st via philly.
Philly gets; Gallo,Randolph,Azubukie,Mason.
Trade ID5821309

Knicks
PG-Felton/Douglas
SG-Iguodala/Walker/Rautins
SF-Melo/Williams
PF-Amare/Turiaf
C-Turiaf/Mozgov/Battie

Our weekness would be Center hopefuly the MIL is avaliable after lockout mayne we can sign Delembert.

[Knicker23]

Melo AND Iggy? fun thought but that seems like a dream. would we even have room to do that?

Amare Melo Iggy would be nasty though, can't see it happening realistically.

[Knicks218]

It works under the tradechecker, and for the people who say we wouldn't be a good 3pt shooting team with those 2, look up the players who played with the suns and MIkes system Raja/Marion they both had there best 3pt shooting in their careers playing in mikes system Marion was avg about 33% from 3pt now he shoots 15% in dallas. Raja shot around 42% from 3pt now hes at 39%.

My point is that Mikes system will make them shoot better like it has with chandler from 3pt.

[Knickplaya]

I don't want Iggy. He is only effective when he controls the ball. Fans in Philly hate him.

[ibraheim718]

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Melo takes us from 6th to 4th in the East. We need more than just him. Getting him is a good start though.

Melo and Amare make us better than Orlando and Chicago in a series, while making us a tough out for the Heat.
It would make us clearly better than Chicago. It evens us up with Orlando. If we defend, then yes, I think we could take them out. It makes us better than Atlanta too, IMHO.

It doesn't make us better than Miami or Boston though. Not without a serious upgrade to interior defense.

Not necessarily....

Chicago is 30-14 most of this missing either Noah or Boozer and for some of the schedule they've missed both. They lead the league in defensive fg%, 6th in differential, third in points allowed, third in rebounding and the list goes on and on defensively. They are clearly a top 5 defense. Each game the Knicks beat them a key player was out in the first game Boozer and in the second Noah. If they are at full strength they would still be a little better than NY even with Melo taking into account if you are saying acquiring Melo via trade thus giving up players.

[Knicks218]

I don't want Iggy. He is only effective when he controls the ball. Fans in Philly hate him.

I would hate him too if he had to be my teams #1 option, i think hes better suited as #3 option. IMO his defense and toughness is really needed.