Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[freshie2]

Is Wes and Pekovic too much to as for in exchange??

[Foshan]

What I'm curious about is what the Sixers front office is hoping to get in return for Iggy since they've publicly stated that they won't just dump his contract. I think they might get disappointed.

If the FO were in a situation where they felt the needed to move Iggy, lest he publically demand a trade, or do something to hurt our team, then I think they could be disappointed (through if Batum/Pryz/+ was offered, maybe it could be offered again).

However, I think more than likely the mind set is, that Collins thinks his team is still developing and still learning how to win, and so our FO doesn't need to make a move. We're on course to make the playoffs, and have seen slow improvement through out the season, and probably will continue to see players mature and buy into Collins system producing more wins. Probably much to the FO delight, Turner and Iguodala finally showed a flash of chemistry, and the ability to not totally stunt eachother's game. This has potentially huge ramifications if a Jrue/Turner/Iggy line up could work on offense, the defense would be scary good.

So all that said, I think they ride out this season with MAYBE a minor move to improve our depth down low, in an attempt to make the playoffs. A move to trade Iggy would have to be a significant deal that presented us with guys that had the potential to be long term fits, with probably some small salary savings attached. Something like the Johnson/Pek/Uta 1st has been kicked around a lot, and IMO would be they type of deal that makes the FO pull the trigger. Noc/Turner take on more minutes with us still making a playoff push, Johnson plays shooter off the bench, and Pek gives additional (yet very raw) big man depth. The almost worthless 1st is something I really think Thorn would demand, he's not the pushover Stiff is/was.

But that's just my opinion. Ask SJSF and he'd be all for a Ra$hard Lewi$ swap. <shrug>

[SJSF]

If our front office is thinking that we don't need to make a move, this is the sole reason why this team will forever hang in purgatory. They have a few pieces to trade and they have some holes to fill. And every fan knows this. And this is why the fans don't come out and watch them play. No fan wants to stand pat with their team. DC has had them half a season, and is showing growth with their team. But this team is still 23 years old. THey could get pretty good quick if they could defend the paint better and also rebound better at the position. Brand needs help. WE also could use a replacement for Meeks at SG in the starting lineup. WE have pieces like Iggy, Kapono, Song, HAwes, SPeights, and Lou.

[SJSF]

What I'm curious about is what the Sixers front office is hoping to get in return for Iggy since they've publicly stated that they won't just dump his contract. I think they might get disappointed.

If the FO were in a situation where they felt the needed to move Iggy, lest he publically demand a trade, or do something to hurt our team, then I think they could be disappointed (through if Batum/Pryz/+ was offered, maybe it could be offered again).

However, I think more than likely the mind set is, that Collins thinks his team is still developing and still learning how to win, and so our FO doesn't need to make a move. We're on course to make the playoffs, and have seen slow improvement through out the season, and probably will continue to see players mature and buy into Collins system producing more wins. Probably much to the FO delight, Turner and Iguodala finally showed a flash of chemistry, and the ability to not totally stunt eachother's game. This has potentially huge ramifications if a Jrue/Turner/Iggy line up could work on offense, the defense would be scary good.

So all that said, I think they ride out this season with MAYBE a minor move to improve our depth down low, in an attempt to make the playoffs. A move to trade Iggy would have to be a significant deal that presented us with guys that had the potential to be long term fits, with probably some small salary savings attached. Something like the Johnson/Pek/Uta 1st has been kicked around a lot, and IMO would be they type of deal that makes the FO pull the trigger. Noc/Turner take on more minutes with us still making a playoff push, Johnson plays shooter off the bench, and Pek gives additional (yet very raw) big man depth. The almost worthless 1st is something I really think Thorn would demand, he's not the pushover Stiff is/was.

But that's just my opinion. Ask SJSF he is the smartest one on here. <shrug>

[ray ray]

Because we need future pieces in a trade for Iguodala in addition to expirings. Your trade doesn't give us that. That's not to like.

So the sixers fan want young talent and expiring contract? There are several teams that will be able to accomplish what you want. The truth of the matter is that next years cap is going to be a hard cap once they agree on the new collective bargaining. David Stern is going to want to implement a hard cap and has gone on the record to say he want to bring players salary down about 18-25%. Lets just that everyone’s cap us going to be at 50 mil (that’s being nice about it).


Elton Brand 17,959,726
Andre Iguodala 13,531,750
Andres Nocioni 6,650,000
Loius Williams 5,917,500
Evan Turner 4,947, 840
Spencer Hawes 4,051,023 ** qualifying offer
Thaddeous Young 3,992,108 ** qualifying offer
Marresse Speights 2,721,254
Jrue Holiday 1,741,440
Craig Brackins 1,404,960
Jodie Meeks 884,293 **team options
Total 58,854,054

You’re going to lose Jason Kapono, Darius Sagalia and Tonie Battie to free agency. Then you’re going to add a top 20 pick. You’re going to be over ten mil over the cap space. Which in all indications its going to be dollar for dollar. I understand that as a fan your want to maximize your return for Andre. But you’re either going to have take on a bad contract along with some young talent or your going to get just an expiring deal with a draft pick. I’m not trying to step on anyones toes but if there was a team that was willing to give young talent and a expiring contract, the sixers would of done the deal already. Every NBA team is being careful that they don’t take on bad contract since they don’t want to be screwed for the next couple of years. So in reality, theres three options that the sixers have 1) take on a bad contract along with young talent 2) take an expiring contract along with a draft pick 3) or just keep Andre. If you the sixers FO takes option 3, then its going to be harder next year trying to trade Andre. I’m not hating, just stating the truth.

In the other hand, the Suns have 48 mil committed to 12 players and 14 mil of that is going to be expired due to Vince Carter 4 mil buyout. So its going to be 34 mil.

[ray ray]

By the way. good luck to you and your team (except on monday when we play you guys). Hopefully the Suns are able to obtain his services. I've always been a Iguodala fan, even though he is over paid in my opinion. However, the Suns need someone like him to put next to Steve Nash.

[SouthJersey]

I think most people on this board are aware of the Sixers cap situation and even more so, knows managements stance on it. Chances are, the sixers could have traded him for capspace if they wanted. But they dont. AAnd also, nobody knows whats going to happen next year, so you cant be stating the truth, can you?

Vince Carter gives us cap room, which would be helpful. What about

Andre Iguodala
Lou Williams
Marreese Speights
Spencer Hawes

for

Vince Carter
Robin Lopez
Goran Dragic
2011 first round pick

[ray ray]

I think most people on this board are aware of the Sixers cap situation and even more so, knows managements stance on it. Chances are, the sixers could have traded him for capspace if they wanted. But they dont. AAnd also, nobody knows whats going to happen next year, so you cant be stating the truth, can you?

Vince Carter gives us cap room, which would be helpful. What about

Andre Iguodala
Lou Williams
Marreese Speights
Spencer Hawes

for

Vince Carter
Robin Lopez
Goran Dragic
2011 first round pick

My post wasn't to inform the sixers fans about the players salaries since everyone here already knows that. My position is that as much as the sixers and their fans want to get young talent and expiring contract its going to be hard especially since David Stern has already set some boundaries. What the new collective bargaining is going to be is unknown to anyone. I was just going by what Stern said that he wanted to bring the cap space down by 17-23%.

On the trade proposal, take out Goran Dragic. The Suns FO is not going to trade him unless is brings someone like CP3 or Deron Williams back. Dragic has shown flashes brilliance of being a great player but at times he's very timid as well. That's my whole point, teams are not going to give up on players with potential to get Iguodala especially at the salary he's currently getting. There's a couple of players in the Suns roster that are not going to be traded unless its a superstar. Goran, Dudley, Gortat and Frye is one of them unless they trade Nash. Everyone could be had.

[SouthJersey]

To be honest, I dont see the Suns getting a star in return for that package of 4 players. If thats their stance however the Sixers would take out the rest of the package too. So Sixers give you Kapono, and Suns take at Goran and throw in an extra 1st round pick.

[ray ray]

To be honest, I dont see the Suns getting a star in return for that package of 4 players. If thats their stance however the Sixers would take out the rest of the package too. So Sixers give you Kapono, and Suns take at Goran and throw in an extra 1st round pick.

I agree, but if they trade Carter, Dragic and orlando's 1st round. There's a possibility that they might get someone like Josh Smith. How about,

Suns trade:
Vince Carter 18 mil
Robin lopez. 1.5 mil
Orlando's 1st round pick

Sixers trade:
Andre Iguodala
Maurricee Speeights
Jason Kapono

[SouthJersey]

Maybe if the sixers got next years first too.

[Foshan]

I can't imagine a situation where the hard cap could be set at 50M. That would be virtually impossible, unless there was a % hit to existing contracts. There is no way you'd even have owners like LAL/ORL/BOS/NY to agree to that type of deal.

As far as the phx deal. There really isn't anything I'm all that interested in on the PHX roster for an iggy deal. Lopez hasn't been playing well at all, and if Nash can't make a big look good with easy baskets then there is pretty much no hope for said player (at least offensively) And his D hasn't looked great either.

[corwin]

So the sixers fan want young talent and expiring contract? There are several teams that will be able to accomplish what you want. The truth of the matter is that next years cap is going to be a hard cap once they agree on the new collective bargaining. David Stern is going to want to implement a hard cap and has gone on the record to say he want to bring players salary down about 18-25%. Lets just that everyone’s cap us going to be at 50 mil (that’s being nice about it).

I'm not going to comment on the rest of the post since it's based on the hard cap notion. I'm happy to go on record as saying the league's position is nothing more than an initial bargaining position & hence propaganda. With respect to the CBA we need to keep in mind that it takes two sides to negotiate. If they can't a lock-out hurts both sides. I'm one of those fans that still hasn't forgiven ML Baseball for canceling the World Series & there are others like myself out there who will turn away from the NBA if the owners force a lock-out simply because they can't control their own impulses when negotiating with individual players. I think at the end of the day, the agreement will not be a hard cap but will be one that reduces the percentage of revenue that goes to the players, addresses the cap implications of injured, high priced players (maybe by only allowing partial guarantees after 2/3 years), and changes the guarantees on rookie contracts. There might even be another Amnesty Provision. Let's not buy into management's initial bargaining position & pretend that it's going to happen.

[sixersinsider]

At this point it would seem like Denver would be the best fit for
with the sixers agenda of remaing somewhat competitive and
receievig some type of cap relief.I think we have enough chips to get
anybody on denvers roster.
The two players who I would target would be
Affalo and Nene.
For Hawes and iggy
Not sure how the salaries match up it seems like Denver would have to include some filler

Holiday
Turner
Young
Brand
Nene

[SouthJersey]

I dont see why Denver does that deal. Who will play Center? Hawes? Anderson?
Meeks and Affalo also seem redundant on this team.

[SJSF]

Iggy , Speights, and Lou for Jr Smith and Nene. We can knock off close to 22m off the cap for next year. Jr Smith is LOu WIlliams but a better player. Nene is a good young big that can play. If he opts out we take the money we are saving and sign Gasol/Perkins. I think that Denver would consider this, espcially if Carmleo opts out.

[SJSF]

The hard cap will be implemented and all salaries will rolled back close to 25%. Should make it interesting for teams like the Lakers and Miami that have multiple max players that won't be able to add any significant pieces. Its better now for teams like the Sixers just to cut ties and get as low as possible and try and hopefully pick off a good player on a team with cap problems. Sort of like the NFL was before the uncap year.

[ZarcMumoff]

To be honest, I dont see the Suns getting a star in return for that package of 4 players. If thats their stance however the Sixers would take out the rest of the package too. So Sixers give you Kapono, and Suns take at Goran and throw in an extra 1st round pick.

I agree, but if they trade Carter, Dragic and orlando's 1st round. There's a possibility that they might get someone like Josh Smith. How about,

Suns trade:
Vince Carter 18 mil
Robin lopez. 1.5 mil
Orlando's 1st round pick

Sixers trade:
Andre Iguodala
Maurricee Speeights
Jason Kapono

I'd do this deal.

-We aren't getting a better deal for Iggy. We aren't getting a Favors or someone like that.
-Lopez is a good Center. At the very least, he is a back up center who can give 20-25 minutes. Every championship winning team needs bigs who can play D. Lopez and still young, and does have some potential left, too.
-Speights...we know with him. He'll have his streaks where he looks great, but the consistency just isn't there.
-Kapono...
-Orlando's pick is probably #25...where our pick is probably #10. Hell, even if we move up only 3 spots to get to 7, it's worth it. Either way, it gives us a lot of flexibility.

[51X3RF4N]

http://www.hoopsnotes.com/buzz/video-an ... an-turner/

did anyone see this? What is your take on it?

[Foshan]

Turner made a rookie mistake, Hawes called him on it, and Turner started to go all PMSy on him. Iguodala saved him the embarrassment of getting into a fist-a-cuffs with his own team mate on the court.