Does Vernon deserve to be in the level of excellence?

Post #1 » by **LittleOzzy** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:19 pm

Hard thing to do considering the players up there.

Plus the Jays don't often add someone which I love. I have always liked teams who save their honours for the best of the best.

MGD24 · Post #2 » by **MGD24** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:29 pm

DonYon · Post #3 » by **DonYon** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:31 pm

I think his numbers are comparable to that of Joe Carters, but I believe Carter's name is up there because he's Joe fricken Carter and not necessarily because he was a brilliant player.

I think the championship/playoff factor was a biggie in all the names being up there (except Tom Cheek maybe). If Delgado/Halladay make it up there, I think Vernon should be included as well. Otherwise, I would think none of those three will be honored.

Kaizen · Post #4 » by **Kaizen** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:42 pm

Halladay and Delgado will be for sure. No doubt about it. I don't think Vernon Wells will but I don't like him so I am bias. I could see it going either way though.

Silk Wilkes · Post #5 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:09 pm

MGD24 wrote:yes.

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JN · Post #6 » by JN » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:30 pm

No - too inconsistent and unreliable in certain years.

Post #7 » by **YogiStewart** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:35 pm

his name will not be on the Level of Excellence.
Possibly in the Concourse of Mediocrity.

Silk Wilkes · Post #8 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:43 pm

People are basing the level of excellence on field performance alone. Vernon Wells was a class act all the way, he deserves to be on the level of excellence based on himself as a human being alone.

hyper316 · Post #9 » by **hyper316** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:43 pm

YogiStewart wrote:his name will not be on the Level of Excellence.
Possibly in the Concourse of Mediocrity.

i lol'ed

beater97 · Post #10 » by **beater97** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:10 pm

As great of a guy he was there is no way he deserves this. I love the guy and enjoyed watching him everyday but he surely doesn't belong on that wall.

Post #11 » by **Duffman100** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:17 pm

No. Not enough done during his tenure....

Post #12 » by **OldNo7** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:59 pm

Boy this is a tough call. Had he played his whole contract out here, there is no doubt he would have accumulated the numbers to get up there. And his off-field work, and attitude and so on speak for themselves. Normally 3 gold gloves and 3 All-Star games isnt enough for that sort of enshrinement. But arguments could definitely be made FOR and AGAINST it, based on the Jays' relatively short history and Wells being the face of the Jays' offence for many years.

Post #13 » by **LittleOzzy** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:12 pm

Youngblood wrote:People are basing the level of excellence on field performance alone. Vernon Wells was a class act all the way, he deserves to be on the level of excellence based on himself as a human being alone.

Being a good person shouldn't have anything to do with being added.

Being honoured should be based on talent alone.

SharoneWright · Post #14 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:26 pm

The Level of Longevity?

Silk Wilkes · Post #15 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:28 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:
Youngblood wrote:People are basing the level of excellence on field performance alone. Vernon Wells was a class act all the way, he deserves to be on the level of excellence based on himself as a human being alone.

Being a good person shouldn't have anything to do with being added.

Being honoured should be based on talent alone.

No, it shouldn't. This is why organizations have no heart these days. The level of excellence is NOT about on-field performance. It's about how good a representative of the organization you are/were. Vernon Wells was a top-notch person and player for us for many years. He has done enough on the field to pass as a player add, then include him off the field and he's a shoe-in. He deserves it, period.

Post #16 » by **LittleOzzy** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:30 pm

Youngblood wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:
Youngblood wrote:People are basing the level of excellence on field performance alone. Vernon Wells was a class act all the way, he deserves to be on the level of excellence based on himself as a human being alone.

Being a good person shouldn't have anything to do with being added.

Being honoured should be based on talent alone.

No, it shouldn't. This is why organizations have no heart these days. The level of excellence is NOT about on-field performance. It's about how good a representative of the organization you are/were. Vernon Wells was a top-notch person and player for us for many years. He deserves it, period.

If being a good person was all it took the Raptors would have retired JYD's number years ago.

The fact is the on field/court performance is what matters.

Silk Wilkes · Post #17 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:33 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:
Being a good person shouldn't have anything to do with being added.

Being honoured should be based on talent alone.

No, it shouldn't. This is why organizations have no heart these days. The level of excellence is NOT about on-field performance. It's about how good a representative of the organization you are/were. Vernon Wells was a top-notch person and player for us for many years. He deserves it, period.

If being a good person was all it took the Raptors would have retired JYD's number years ago.

The fact is the on field/court performance is what matters.

You can't be serious. No doubt JYD is a great person but comparing Vernon Wells as a player to JYD is an epic fail. You clearly don't understand the difference.

SharoneWright · Post #18 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:49 pm

Youngblood wrote: You can't be serious. No doubt JYD is a great person but comparing Vernon Wells as a player to JYD is an epic fail. You clearly don't understand the difference.

I think you are making Ozzy's point for him while slamming him for not knowing the difference... :lol:

Its got to be about performance. This is a 'professional' baseball team that scouts, drafts, signs, hires, fires, wins and loses based on talent and performance. I don't want Tom Hanks patrolling CF because he's a nice guy, but that Ty Cobb would make the LevOEx on my team is a foregone conclusion.

Post #19 » by **LittleOzzy** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:55 pm

Youngblood wrote:
You can't be serious. No doubt JYD is a great person but comparing Vernon Wells as a player to JYD is an epic fail. You clearly don't understand the difference.

So we agree, being a nice guy and helping the community is great but it shouldn't and doesn't have a thing to do with being honoured by the team.

Silk Wilkes · Post #20 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:59 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
You can't be serious. No doubt JYD is a great person but comparing Vernon Wells as a player to JYD is an epic fail. You clearly don't understand the difference.

So we agree, being a nice guy and helping the community is great but it shouldn't and doesn't have a thing to do with being honoured by the team.

Uhhhhh.....na. Reading fail. We agree that if you take JYD as a player, and VDub as a player it's no comparison. Vernon is 10 times the baseball player than JYD as a basketball player. Get it? Got it? Good.