[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[Striders]

mike dantoni will be fired eventualy, hes like larry bronw but oposite larry plays defense only, and dantoni palys offense only, TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP YOU NEED AVERAGE OF BOTH INVOLVED

Actually, history shows you need to be great at one, and at least average in the other

hm? can you give me examples? you might be right actualy your right..boston ... detroit... spurs.. all defense ..bound .lol .. lakers.. might.be both.i think?

The Showtime Lakers.

[soby22]

if mozgov gets palying time , then we can know how he can paly.otherwise. we fcant.

[Context]

I hope it's clear to Melo that when he gets here it's Finals or bust. He's going to be under a microscope like never before. He better be ready.

I disagree.....NY is so starved for a true star, Melo will be given the same royal treatment Amare is getting these days....The mere fact that he wanted to come here will be more than enough for fans and media alike....Now who I think the real pressure will be on is Mike D'Assholie....Who would now have offensive weapons and real go-to guys, but will need to also coach up guys defensively...That will be really interesting to watch! Mike will be under the most pressure in my opinion!

Excellent point... Perfect scenario, we get Melo before the deadline, D'antoni fails and gets fired before next season.

[Context]

if mozgov gets palying time , then we can know how he can paly.otherwise. we fcant.

Exactly... Not to mention, Why hasn't D'antoni been able to see that Gallo needs to be given the ball more? It's obvious teams are keying in on Stat. As a coach I expect him to make that adjustment. What does he do-he continues with the same style night in and night out.

[Knickplaya]

D'Antoni will not be fired, relax. Once we get Melo, if he does not win at .630 ball, then he will be on the hot seat.

[Context]

D'Antoni will not be fired, relax. Once we get Melo, if he does not win at .630 ball, then he will be on the hot seat.

If what I have seen this season has been going on for the last 3 years-then he needs to be fired before next year...

[GONYK]

D'Antoni will not be fired, relax. Once we get Melo, if he does not win at .630 ball, then he will be on the hot seat.

If what I have seen this season has been going on for the last 3 years-then he needs to be fired before next year...

If we make the playoffs, he will most likely be extended

[duetta]

And ironically, the only way come anywhere close to winning a title with Melo is if we get him for dirt cheap.

Absolutely true.

[Knickplaya]

It sounds like we are going to get him for cheap.

[RHODEY]

And ironically, the only way come anywhere close to winning a title with Melo is if we get him for dirt cheap.

Absolutely true.

Yep.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

I hope we trade Chandler.. That way we have a shot at Chris Paul in 2012 just incase Paul shows signs he wants to come here like Melo is showing.. Thats if Felton reverts back to his Bobcat days.

[Knickplaya]

I think Paul would take less money to play with Melo and Amare. If we can give him like 11-12 M a year, I think he would HIGHLY consider it.

[Context]

D'Antoni will not be fired, relax. Once we get Melo, if he does not win at .630 ball, then he will be on the hot seat.

If what I have seen this season has been going on for the last 3 years-then he needs to be fired before next year...

If we make the playoffs, he will most likely be extended

Boy do I hope you're wrong...

[Invictus]

Because I dont feel young upcoming assets ie, Landry Fields are worth gifting away for a futile push. A push we will make anyway even without Melo.

It seems you're of the camp that when it comes down to it, you say no to a melo deal because you want to keep Fields? And regardless, the inclusion of Fields is just speculation on our part...there's no telling what the final deal may/will be.

So we Win 48 Games rather than 43, is that worth giving away starters?

Do you want Melo for free? that's what it seems like with your word choice of "gift" and "give away." And note that I specifically mentioned in my post that all my points are made with the caveat that walsh doesn't over-pay in the inevitable deal. And regarding FA, Even if he comes here during FA, we are going to lose current key personnel. And that's assuming the CBA is relatively close to what the current one is now.

We're making the playoffs anyway, we could advance to the 2nd round anyway.....

Does not matter 1 bit. We have an extra playoff series with melo in 2011 as opposed to the first playoff series with melo coming in 2012. We have the opportunity to view shortcomings of Amare+Melo in the level of competition found only in the playoffs and we would have an entire offseason to address accordingly. We can see strengths that can be enhanced and we can see weakness that contenders take advantage of. I'm advocating bringing him earlier to leverage the 2011 playoffs as a means to get these players experienced playing together in the type of competition that arrives only in playoff time. We cannot expect to vault to the levels of boston or orlando or LAL or Dallas who have all had their cores together for significantly longer than we have. And obviously, if we bring melo in, he's going to comprise a cornerstone of our core. Yes, we would gain playoff experience in the 2nd round without melo, but we do it without a future cornerstone of our franchise and we miss an opportunity to get these players accustomed to getting some confidence and chemistry in late April and hopefully into late may, as opposed to just going through the motions and get bumped in the 2nd round.

Patience Patience....

We have more than exceeded our expectations this season. We 're pretty much a lock for the 6th seed and we even have a fair shot to get to the 2nd round. Lets be patient and enjoy the process.

I am not advocating rushing in and doing whatever it takes to acquire melo...that was not my post. I'm advocating bringing this team's core together as early as possible, within a reasonable trade framework.

Worst case scenario...we get melo in FA, there's a lockout through the 2011-2012 season, and the first time melo and stat have a playoff series is 2013. we'd never know what to address until we actually see the combination in action in a playoff context. By the time Amare is 31, in 2014 playoffs, we'll have seen what does and doesn't work and have re-tooled accordingly. Meaning, we'd only start really contending when amare is 32 in 2015 playoffs, after we've had one season's playoffs under our belts. Again, this is just the worst-case scenario in terms of a full locked out year, but that magnifies what I'm talking about.

[Futureisnow]

I think Paul would take less money to play with Melo and Amare. If we can give him like 11-12 M a year, I think he would HIGHLY consider it.

I don't think Paul or Williams will become free agents in 2012 because they'll probably be a franchise tag in effect by then. I don't think the league is going to impose the franchise tag on players entering free agency this year, but in 2012 it'll probably be a reality.

Fandom aside, I think it would probably be best for the league.

[spree254]

Is it just me or has all the Melo rumors suddenly stopped once the Nets declared they was out of it ? You dont hear squat anywhere about him anymore . U would think the Melo to NY rumors would fly like crazy but havent heard anything .

[soby22]

Is it just me or has all the Melo rumors suddenly stopped once the Nets declared they was out of it ? You dont hear squat anywhere about him anymore . U would think the Melo to NY rumors would fly like crazy but havent heard anything .

ya all the rumors have stopped im geting mad, always nets nets nets, nuthing about the knicks : (

[Knickplaya]

Are the Players Association against the franchise tag big time? I would think they would be highly against that, and that would be one of the things they would fight till the end.

[knicks9784]

Is it just me or has all the Melo rumors suddenly stopped once the Nets declared they was out of it ? You dont hear squat anywhere about him anymore . U would think the Melo to NY rumors would fly like crazy but havent heard anything .

ya all the rumors have stopped im geting mad, always nets nets nets, nuthing about the knicks : (

why? thats not how donnie operates. the lack of rumors is good for us, it shows there's no other options. we dont need to advertise our offer like the nets did. the nets needed to so they can say to their fans, hey look we tried. denver needed it cause it was the only chance they had to create leverage against us. no rumors is good for us.

[knicksfan84]

I think Paul would take less money to play with Melo and Amare. If we can give him like 11-12 M a year, I think he would HIGHLY consider it.

I don't think Paul or Williams will become free agents in 2012 because they'll probably be a franchise tag in effect by then. I don't think the league is going to impose the franchise tag on players entering free agency this year, but in 2012 it'll probably be a reality.

Fandom aside, I think it would probably be best for the league.

No players union will ever agree to a franchise tag after seeing how it's used in the NFL. Atleast with the NFL, their are 53 players and somewhere between 8-12 free agents per team per year. Sometimes you got 2 or 3 guys you want to keep, but only 1 tag to use per offseason. Even with that being said, expect the franchise tag to get tweaked, for example, players cannot be franchised back to back seasons (something players already try to negotiate).

A franchose tag in the NBA would be a horrible idea. LeBron James would forever be stuck in Cleveland and while many critisize his decision, how fair would it be to him? It would in effect kill free agency since most NBA teams have one "star" player and rarely do the top 3 players on a team have contracts that end the same year.