[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[Context]

Im not sure if this was posted. I read through it but not in detail. I didnt see walsh say anything about any trades. So im not sure where the headline came from.

Donnie Walsh says Carmelo Anthony trade, or deal for any help, is not on way for struggling Knicks

"We've played better in the last two games," Walsh said, referring to weekend losses in San Antoni and Oklahoma City. "When you get in a period where you're losing, there has to be games where you play better and you might lose, but you show you're playing better. And good things will start happening. I thought that a little bit against the Spurs. But I thought we played much better against Oklahoma City and we probably should have won that game. I'm hoping it gets us on the right track."

"You can look around the league and the leading teams even go through (a losing streak)," he said. "That's going to happen. But the ability to get out of it is the most important thing. And I saw signs in the last two games where we can get out of it."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z1Byxr1LV0

You know how Donnie moves Kane- you won't hear a peep from him. Especially after the Denver-Nets fiasco...

[K_ick_God]

I know i am in the minority but I am one who believes we should wait till the off season and just sign him. I think we should make a trade to get Mayo now using TD and maybe Walker + cash. Extend the QO to chandler in the off season. Next season I would like to see Amare, Mello, Gallo, Lan, Ray. But with Chandler, Mayo and Moz coming off the bench. That second unit solidifies us as a dominate team

I have done the math on this as well as many here and while the Knicks can put themselves in a position to sign Melo in the off-season. As it stand now based on the 58 million dollar cap and the rules that go along with it. Turiaf, Chandler, and AR can not be on the team if we sign Melo. We also would have to trade away our 2011 pick for future consideration as well.

They break it down in this SI article:

• Can the Knicks just wait it out and sign Carmelo as a free agent?

If there’s something everyone agrees on, it’s that Anthony wants to go to New York. Denver has appeared uninterested in whatever offer the Knicks might be able to put together, though it remains to be seen whether the Nuggets’ interest level jumps now that Derrick Favors and New Jersey’s war chest of first-rounders have been pulled.

We’ve been over this before, but it bears repeating: There is no guarantee the Knicks will be able to sign Anthony as a free agent in the offseason — starting July 1 — even in a dream world where the collective bargaining landscape looks exactly like it does now. (In the real world, the CBA expires on July 1, sending the NBA into a state of mystery.)

Even if the Knicks renounce all their players on non-guaranteed deals and their outgoing free agents (including Wilson Chandler), they still have $43.5 million in committed salary for next season. Toss in a set charge for their first-round pick (likely around $1.5 million) and roster charges for empty slots, and you’re up to nearly $46 million on the books for next season. The current salary cap is a shade over $58 million, meaning the Knicks, in this dream world, would not have enough room to sign Free Agent ‘Melo to anything close to what currently constitutes a maximum-level deal.

They could, of course, trim salary — most obviously by dealing Anthony Randolph (due $2.9 million next season) for a 2012 first-rounder, and then dumping their 2011 first-rounder somewhere. They could also find takers for Ronny Turiaf ($4.36 million player option) or Timofey Mozgov ($3.3 million, glued to the bench).

None of this is simple, and all of these scenarios assume the loss of Chandler, who is playing his way toward a big-money deal.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... nets-fold/

So which is it: The new Max will still be set at $17M and therefore the Knicks won't have the cap room *or* the new Max will be lowered dramatically and therefore Melo will lose a lot of money?

They can't both be true. But the media makes like they are so they can just throw anything against the wall to try to throw cold water on Melo to the Knicks.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Im not sure if this was posted. I read through it but not in detail. I didnt see walsh say anything about any trades. So im not sure where the headline came from.

Donnie Walsh says Carmelo Anthony trade, or deal for any help, is not on way for struggling Knicks

"We've played better in the last two games," Walsh said, referring to weekend losses in San Antoni and Oklahoma City. "When you get in a period where you're losing, there has to be games where you play better and you might lose, but you show you're playing better. And good things will start happening. I thought that a little bit against the Spurs. But I thought we played much better against Oklahoma City and we probably should have won that game. I'm hoping it gets us on the right track."

"You can look around the league and the leading teams even go through (a losing streak)," he said. "That's going to happen. But the ability to get out of it is the most important thing. And I saw signs in the last two games where we can get out of it."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z1Byxr1LV0

It's the Daily News--their headlines are borderline unethical.

[CDAZ]

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

I share the same feeling...

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took a 2.6million dollar cut in the first year of their contracts. I believe Melo would do the same. Especially if he wants to beat those guys. I believe Melo is smarter than some think. We are going to need all the cap flexibility
that we can get.

Exactly

[Knicks_Fan2]

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

I share the same feeling...

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took a 2.6million dollar cut in the first year of their contracts. I believe Melo would do the same. Especially if he wants to beat those guys. I believe Melo is smarter than some think. We are going to need all the cap flexibility
that we can get.

Exactly

They took that cut partially because of Florida's lack of a state tax--unfortunately NYC is on the exact opposite end of that spectrum. There will be no paycut.

[Pharmcat]

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

I share the same feeling...

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took a 2.6million dollar cut in the first year of their contracts. I believe Melo would do the same. Especially if he wants to beat those guys. I believe Melo is smarter than some think. We are going to need all the cap flexibility
that we can get.

amare didnt take a paycut

even if melo takes 2 mill less, that still not enuff to keep chandler, turiaf, etc

[Context]

all the more reason to get a trade done now

if nothing is agreed, on trade deadline day:

1) AR/turiaf for przybilla/pick/tpe
2) chandler for beabois

save 10 mill or so + add 2 assets, sets up well going into summer

You would still need to get whoever(Turiaf/AR) is still here traded as well.

[Context]

amare didnt take a paycut

even if melo takes 2 mill less, that still not enuff to keep chandler, turiaf, etc

Oh I get that Pharm but the 2.6 million helps. That would allow us to keep our 2011 first round pick and a second rounder to fill out the team and maybe find another gem in the process. It all adds up no need to take anything for granted. We've already witnessed how valuable a 480,000 dollar player can be on a play-off team.

[Pharmcat]

all the more reason to get a trade done now

if nothing is agreed, on trade deadline day:

1) AR/turiaf for przybilla/pick/tpe
2) chandler for beabois

save 10 mill or so + add 2 assets, sets up well going into summer

You would still need to get whoever(Turiaf/AR) is still here traded as well.

thats what the first trade is

send away turiaf/ar...get pryz and tpe, renounce tpe and pryz is expiring...future pick wont affect 2011 cap space

dont get your drift?

[Context]

So which is it: The new Max will still be set at $17M and therefore the Knicks won't have the cap room *or* the new Max will be lowered dramatically and therefore Melo will lose a lot of money?

They can't both be true. But the media makes like they are so they can just throw anything against the wall to try to throw cold water on Melo to the Knicks.

Even if we go with the half empty POV. Who cares? We trade Turiaf, AZ, and Chandler and trade our 2011 pick for future consideration. Buy a couple of 2011 second rounders and be done with it. Sign Melo and we're good to go. If they reduce the cap I am sure they will reduce salaries as a whole. I doubt this- but- bottom line at this point- we are enough under the cap and have pieces that can be moved- so we're fine...

[Knicks_Fan2]

So which is it: The new Max will still be set at $17M and therefore the Knicks won't have the cap room *or* the new Max will be lowered dramatically and therefore Melo will lose a lot of money?

They can't both be true. But the media makes like they are so they can just throw anything against the wall to try to throw cold water on Melo to the Knicks.

Even if we go with the half empty POV. Who cares? We trade Turiaf, AZ, and Chandler and trade our 2011 pick for future consideration. Buy a couple of 2011 second rounders and be done with it. Sign Melo and we're good to go. If they reduce the cap I am sure they will reduce salaries as a whole. I doubt this- but- bottom line at this point- we are enough under the cap and have pieces that can be moved- so we're fine...

Exactly true. People freak out about a reduced cap but don't assume, as they should, that salaries will likely be reduced commensurate with the cap reduction.

[Context]

They took that cut partially because of Florida's lack of a state tax--unfortunately NYC is on the exact opposite end of that spectrum. There will be no paycut.

Good point. Just keep in mind that Melo has proved that he is NOT ABOUT the money. He has left two extensions on the table(Nets and Denver) over the course of 8 months. He has made over 100 million in his career. He wants a ring-that being said-it's not a far reach to believe that he will help this team by taking a little less(2.6 million).

[Context]

thats what the first trade is

send away turiaf/ar...get pryz and tpe, renounce tpe and pryz is expiring...future pick wont affect 2011 cap space

dont get your drift?

Got you... Just wanted to make sure you didn't overlook the fact that both couldn't be on the cap...

[stuporman]

Walsh will have to figure out how to move some salary before the trade deadline and hopefully acquire some future considerations.

He has options though and he was pretty smart to give himself that. What is Moz's cap hit if the Knicks don't pick up his option? Wasn't it only partially guaranteed?

[CDAZ]

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

I share the same feeling...

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took a 2.6million dollar cut in the first year of their contracts. I believe Melo would do the same. Especially if he wants to beat those guys. I believe Melo is smarter than some think. We are going to need all the cap flexibility
that we can get.

amare didnt take a paycut

even if melo takes 2 mill less, that still not enuff to keep chandler, turiaf, etc

Amare also came alone. Like a leader he didn't allow another persons decesion to decide the choices he would make.

[Context]

Walsh will have to figure out how to move some salary before the trade deadline and hopefully acquire some future considerations.

He has options though and he was pretty smart to give himself that. What is Moz's cap hit if the Knicks don't pick up his option? Wasn't it only partially guaranteed?

$2,790,000, $2,566,800, $2,794,621
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

$3,567,096, $3,343,896, $3,140,429(could be another type of option), $3,925,536(team option)
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... knicks.jsp

I don't know which is correct. I am going to see if I find an article- I believe hoopshype is right...

[Pharmcat]

Walsh will have to figure out how to move some salary before the trade deadline and hopefully acquire some future considerations.

He has options though and he was pretty smart to give himself that. What is Moz's cap hit if the Knicks don't pick up his option? Wasn't it only partially guaranteed?

apparently his 2nd yr is guaranteed

which goes against what was initially reported

[VirginiaKnickFan]

NBA GM says Carmelo to Knicks 'inevitable:' report

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Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony's departure to the Knicks is "inevitable," an NBA general manager told The Sporting News on Sunday.

According to the unnamed executive, the only question that remains is whether the Knicks will obtain Anthony via trade this season or sign him in free agency over the summer.

"Now it’s inevitable. I don’t know how many other teams are going to want to get involved in any negotiation for him, because who wants to go through what the Nets just went through? It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when,” the GM said.

The Nets negotiated on and off with Denver for more than several months, with multiple reports stating at various times a deal was imminent.

But the Nets never had a guarantee from Anthony that he would be willing to sign a long-term contract with the team, and last week billionaire Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov ended the team's pursuit of the three-time All-Star.

The Nuggets have until Feb. 24 to trade Anthony, who is believed to be determined to join the Knicks at some point.

He has not signed a three-year, $65 million contract extension the Nuggets have had on the table since June, and the team could lose him for nothing if he enters free agency, as the cavaliers did with star LeBron James.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/n ... z1BzA5TXbG

[Context]

The Knicks’ deal with Mozgov is expected to be for three years and for about $9 million.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/sport ... nicks.html

The Knicks signed Russian center Timofey Mozgov to a three-year $9.7 million contract,

http://bucketsoverbroadway.com/2010/07/ ... ey-mozgov/

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Jason Kidd Advises Carmelo Anthony to Stay in Western Conference

By Larry Brown January 24, 2011 - Posted in Basketball


It seems like there’s a new twist to Carmelo Anthony’s situation on a daily basis. Last week it was the New Jersey Nets saying they had dropped out of the running to acquire the All-Star in a trade. Before that there were rumors of a 17-player deal in the works, and since then it’s been anyone from the Pistons to the Knicks to the Warriors who might get included in a potential deal. Frankly, I’ve had enough of the daily rumors and made a commitment to ignore the story until Melo is actually moved. But there is one aspect of the story I cannot ignore.

Over the weekend, New York reporter favorite Jason Kidd was in town for Dallas’ game with New Jersey. Not only did he explain that he doesn’t consider Newark a free agent destination, implying that they better get moving with their departure for Brooklyn, but he also gave advice for Carmelo Anthony.

“If I was his adviser, I wouldn’t want him to go East, but if he wants to go back home to New York or if the closest he can get is New Jersey, then you wish him the best. But you look at the Eastern Conference, there’s some talent over on this side.”

What stands out to me is the way his advice points out the balance of power shift in the NBA. The Western Conference was the best conference by far the entire past decade. In addition to the Lakers who won five titles from 2000-2010, the Spurs won three. Beyond those two, the Mavericks with Dirk Nowitzki have been a strong team, the Suns have put together excellent squads with MVP Steve Nash, the Rockets with Yao Ming were tough, the Jazz were a playoff lock, and the Nuggets, Blazers, and Hornets have all been good.

Now it’s the Eastern Conference that’s stacked with strong teams. The Miami Heat have a bevy of talent and one of the best teams in the league. The Celtics are aging but winning. The Bulls raided the Jazz and stole half their team. Additionally, the Magic and Hawks are both talented and even stole some of their players from the Western Conference. Think about how crazy Kidd’s advice would have been two years ago and now consider how much the league has changed in a short period of time. It’s pretty surprising when you think about it.
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