[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

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Jason Kidd Advises Carmelo Anthony to Stay in Western Conference

By Larry Brown January 24, 2011 - Posted in Basketball


It seems like there’s a new twist to Carmelo Anthony’s situation on a daily basis. Last week it was the New Jersey Nets saying they had dropped out of the running to acquire the All-Star in a trade. Before that there were rumors of a 17-player deal in the works, and since then it’s been anyone from the Pistons to the Knicks to the Warriors who might get included in a potential deal. Frankly, I’ve had enough of the daily rumors and made a commitment to ignore the story until Melo is actually moved. But there is one aspect of the story I cannot ignore.

Over the weekend, New York reporter favorite Jason Kidd was in town for Dallas’ game with New Jersey. Not only did he explain that he doesn’t consider Newark a free agent destination, implying that they better get moving with their departure for Brooklyn, but he also gave advice for Carmelo Anthony.

“If I was his adviser, I wouldn’t want him to go East, but if he wants to go back home to New York or if the closest he can get is New Jersey, then you wish him the best. But you look at the Eastern Conference, there’s some talent over on this side.”

What stands out to me is the way his advice points out the balance of power shift in the NBA. The Western Conference was the best conference by far the entire past decade. In addition to the Lakers who won five titles from 2000-2010, the Spurs won three. Beyond those two, the Mavericks with Dirk Nowitzki have been a strong team, the Suns have put together excellent squads with MVP Steve Nash, the Rockets with Yao Ming were tough, the Jazz were a playoff lock, and the Nuggets, Blazers, and Hornets have all been good.

Now it’s the Eastern Conference that’s stacked with strong teams. The Miami Heat have a bevy of talent and one of the best teams in the league. The Celtics are aging but winning. The Bulls raided the Jazz and stole half their team. Additionally, the Magic and Hawks are both talented and even stole some of their players from the Western Conference. Think about how crazy Kidd’s advice would have been two years ago and now consider how much the league has changed in a short period of time. It’s pretty surprising when you think about it.
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Is this THE Larry Brown? If so...hey Larry...Wojina is looking for a butt buddy.

[soby22]

where da eff are the TRADE RUMOR : (

[iDunk]

I believe Donnie telling media that no trade is coming is to calm our players down because obviously their performance is lacking because of trade rumors.

[Context]

Is this THE Larry Brown? If so...hey Larry...Wojina is looking for a butt buddy.

LMAO!!! Moo stop I can't take anymore laughter

So now Melo should be afraid to come home because the east has good teams Jason:roll: Maybe that's the reason that he's never won anything. You have to have no fear Jason to make it to the promise land; even if everything else falls into place.

[atribecalledrch]

I hope it works and he doesn't end up re-signing. I doubt he would with how their FO behaved through this whole thing.

[K_ick_God]

I hope it works and he doesn't end up re-signing. I doubt he would with how their FO behaved through this whole thing.

He's not going to re-sign in Denver. I'd put the chances of that at less than 10%.

[Knickplaya]

KG, even with the Nugs tearing it up--- 10 percent?

[K_ick_God]

KG, even with the Nugs tearing it up--- 10 percent?

I think he's out of there regardless. If he was going to stay, he would have signed the extension long ago. He said just a day or two ago, "I think so, I think so" when asked if he believes he'll be traded by February 24.

[shtolky]

Him resigning with the Nuggets has to be virtually zero. The extension offer has been on the table for months. If it was going to happen it would have been done by now. This has very little to do with his feelings for the team, rather it's about where he wants to play. Everything points to him being traded sometime in the next month, just need to be patient.

[god shammgod]

the reason he won't resign is he knows half that team will be gone in the next 2 years. their owner has made it very clear that he's losing money and will no longer be willing to do so. they want to sign melo and surround him with just enough talent to make the playoffs but not spend enough to really compete. in the words of our former poster optimus, fake hustle.

[K_ick_God]

the reason he won't resign is he knows half that team will be gone in the next 2 years. their owner has made it very clear that he's losing money and will no longer be willing to do so. they want to sign melo and surround him with just enough talent to make the playoffs but not spend enough to really compete. in the words of our former poster optimus, fake hustle.

Yeah, and I think he knows that this team is not going to compete with anybody for a title.

[St Knick]

It sounds like if we try to sign Melo in the summer, we have to renounce/lose Chandler, Turiaf and Randolph.

What got me thinking...

Can we trade (is there a market for?) these guys for FUTURE draft picks? like 2012 draft picks? this way we retain the value of these guys in the form of future draft picks, but we also prevent taking on salary back for them (in other words, it wont affect THIS years salary cap)

If so, try offereing Randolph to Indiana for their 2012 (not this years 2011) draft pick.
Trade Turiaf for a 1st rounder form a vet team like orlando looking for a useful bigman of the bench
Trade Chandler to a team looking for a perimeter scorer who would give up some other pick.

[knicks9784]

It sounds like if we try to sign Melo in the summer, we have to renounce/lose Chandler, Turiaf and Randolph.

What got me thinking...

Can we trade (is there a market for?) these guys for FUTURE draft picks? like 2012 draft picks? this way we retain the value of these guys in the form of future draft picks, but we also prevent taking on salary back for them (in other words, it wont affect THIS years salary cap)

If so, try offereing Randolph to Indiana for their 2012 (not this years 2011) draft pick.
Trade Turiaf for a 1st rounder form a vet team like orlando looking for a useful bigman of the bench
Trade Chandler to a team looking for a perimeter scorer who would give up some other pick.

interesting thought, but we're not in a non-competitive place where we can part off important pieces to our playoff run. remember if we finish worse than houston we swap picks. so its not a bad idea in theory, though in practice we'd basically be saying " yeah eff this season just like the last three..yay for cap room!" im speaking for turiaf and chandler btw

[Context]

Can we trade (is there a market for?) these guys for FUTURE draft picks? like 2012 draft picks? this way we retain the value of these guys in the form of future draft picks, but we also prevent taking on salary back for them (in other words, it wont affect THIS years salary cap)

If so, try offereing Randolph to Indiana for their 2012 (not this years 2011) draft pick.
Trade Turiaf for a 1st rounder form a vet team like orlando looking for a useful bigman of the bench
Trade Chandler to a team looking for a perimeter scorer who would give up some other pick

I believe so... I think that is more than realistic...

[Pharmcat]

It sounds like if we try to sign Melo in the summer, we have to renounce/lose Chandler, Turiaf and Randolph.

What got me thinking...

Can we trade (is there a market for?) these guys for FUTURE draft picks? like 2012 draft picks? this way we retain the value of these guys in the form of future draft picks, but we also prevent taking on salary back for them (in other words, it wont affect THIS years salary cap)

If so, try offereing Randolph to Indiana for their 2012 (not this years 2011) draft pick.
Trade Turiaf for a 1st rounder form a vet team like orlando looking for a useful bigman of the bench
Trade Chandler to a team looking for a perimeter scorer who would give up some other pick.

interesting thought, but we're not in a non-competitive place where we can part off important pieces to our playoff run. remember if we finish worse than houston we swap picks. so its not a bad idea in theory, though in practice we'd basically be saying " yeah eff this season just like the last three..yay for cap room!" im speaking for turiaf and chandler btw

if we trade AR/Turiaf for przy/tpe/pick, we dont really lose anything as przy is a big body who can play 20 mins a nite and AR doesnt even play
you can follow that up with curry + small token (rautin, 2nd rd) for dally to add more size for this year

chandler for beaubois...yea there is a drop in production, but if beaubois can play some minutes and lighten felton load, then thats a trade off

come on, i think this team can wait 1/2 yr for melo

[Context]

interesting thought, but we're not in a non-competitive place where we can part off important pieces to our playoff run. remember if we finish worse than houston we swap picks. so its not a bad idea in theory, though in practice we'd basically be saying " yeah eff this season just like the last three..yay for cap room!" im speaking for turiaf and chandler btw

If we are trying to win a championship in the era of super teams. We need to leave our options open. If we want to add Melo via free agency, we have no choice but to trade AR, Chandler/Gallo, and Turiaf. We just can't do it any other way. If we don't trade any of these guys before the deadline- we put ourselves in a position to get less value if we trade them at seasons end. Now of course, this is assuming we don't get Melo before the deadline for a reasonable amount. If we can't get Melo pre- deadline, we have to trade those guys and not worry about making the play-offs for the betterment of the future. Again, think of- "becoming a true contender for a championship".

[magnumt]

It sounds like if we try to sign Melo in the summer, we have to renounce/lose Chandler, Turiaf and Randolph.

Not entirely.

You'd have to jettison AR for a Pick, and any combo of:

Walker
Douglas
Mozzy
Turiaf

for Picks or future Assets.

We'd have to basically clear about $6 Million to compensate for Will's Caphold (which is twice what he earned the prior Year, or $6 Million).

With about $12-14 Million in Cap Space this Year, and Melo reportedly willing to sign for a few Million less, it might not be so hard to keep Will, Gallo, and Landry and sign Melo...but yes, things do need to fall into place for us.

--Mags

[Pharmcat]

interesting thought, but we're not in a non-competitive place where we can part off important pieces to our playoff run. remember if we finish worse than houston we swap picks. so its not a bad idea in theory, though in practice we'd basically be saying " yeah eff this season just like the last three..yay for cap room!" im speaking for turiaf and chandler btw

If we are trying to win a championship in the era of super teams. We need to leave our options open. If we want to add Melo via free agency, we have no choice but to trade AR, Chandler/Gallo, and Turiaf. We just can't do it any other way. If we don't trade any of these guys before the deadline- we put ourselves in a position to get less value if we trade them at seasons end. Now of course, this is assuming we don't get Melo before the deadline for a reasonable amount. If we can't get Melo pre- deadline, we have to trade those guys and not worry about making the play-offs for the betterment of the future. Again, think of- "becoming a true contender for a championship".

the deadline is the time to make deals twith teams who are trying to make PO runs this year (DAL, PORT, etc)

[knicks9784]

interesting thought, but we're not in a non-competitive place where we can part off important pieces to our playoff run. remember if we finish worse than houston we swap picks. so its not a bad idea in theory, though in practice we'd basically be saying " yeah eff this season just like the last three..yay for cap room!" im speaking for turiaf and chandler btw

If we are trying to win a championship in the era of super teams. We need to leave our options open. If we want to add Melo via free agency, we have no choice but to trade AR, Chandler/Gallo, and Turiaf. We just can't do it any other way. If we don't trade any of these guys before the deadline- we put ourselves in a position to get less value if we trade them at seasons end. Now of course, this is assuming we don't get Melo before the deadline for a reasonable amount. If we can't get Melo pre- deadline, we have to trade those guys and not worry about making the play-offs for the betterment of the future. Again, think of- "becoming a true contender for a championship".

so you'd throw this year away for two first round picks and a shot at signing melo in the offseason?

[Context]

the deadline is the time to make deals twith teams who are trying to make PO runs this year (DAL, PORT, etc)

That's were I'm at Pharm