[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[Context]

lol doesnt matter.

well seems like this has run its course, we differ on what to do with chandler. thats a debate that wont end for some time probably.

Hey, that's fine. I get the excitement of making the play-offs and not wanting to sacrifice that

[KnickScoop]

before i get destroyed about giving up too much by the knicks i am just sayin that if donnie goes for it all with melo before the deadline to lock up that extension of his and makes sure they dont miss out, again, here is a deal that could satisfy all teams....

Nuggets want young players on rookie deals....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4mncu5g

[Johnny Hoops]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

[cgmw]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

I was just about to post the same thing (without the Vasquez piece).

If it appears like Denver is playing hardball, I could see Donnie shipping Turiaf out a week before the deadline to show he means business too. It would be a helluva risk, but also a very strong statement to Denver and Carmelo.

As far as Orlando, I'm not sure about Vasquez. They could give us Daniel Orton plus the buy-out eligible expirings of Jason Williams and Malik Allen. Earl Clark is another option. If Vaszuez was drafted 3 years ago, his draft rights expire this summer. I don't know if there's a caphold.

[KnickScoop]

Earl Clark is an interesting prospect to keep an eye on this offseason... He has the tools to thrive in this league... Tim Thomas lite with the motivation he has shown but who knows... he meets the right guy ala Phil Weber and maybe he makes a nice young cheap option for the knicks this summer...

A lottery pick only two years ago....

[Knicker23]

Melo can't hit 3s....

wonder where all the 'Dont want Melo' people are after he goes 6-8 from 3 and scores 23 in the quarter

I suppose it's a good thing he's playing what appears to be relaxed ball though .. I'd imagine talks will be further along by the time their road trip is completed

[vallen]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

Lemme see if I got this. Den wont trade Melo to a Team in the West. But a Team in the East is going to take away salary and help the Knicks get Melo, give them Youth(lottery pick), and a Draft Pick, all for the services of Ronny Turiaf ?

[aggo]

well apparently Ujiri is going college-ball scouting this week.

which, while may be true, seems disconcerting for the denver franchise if your best player and arena-filler is begging to be traded and you're sitting on your hands because you can't get enough #1 picks back.

That leads me to believe that denver might be crazy enough to let melo walk. What a disservice to their fans and franchise. They want the whole cake.

Why would you pressure a guy who doesnt want to be there into signing a long term deal? Makes no sense. He'll be unmotivated and you're not going to surround him soon enough with the right pieces to win a 'chip. Not when you have al harrington, birdman, and Nene eating up 20million in cap space.

[cgmw]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

Lemme see if I got this. Den wont trade Melo to a Team in the West. But a Team in the East is going to take away salary and help the Knicks get Melo, give them Youth(lottery pick), and a Draft Pick, all for the services of Ronny Turiaf ?

Orlando is in desperate win-now, make Dwight happy mode. I don't think they'd have a problem. If they don't take a Turiaf deal, one of their competitors for a title might.

[Context]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

Lemme see if I got this. Den wont trade Melo to a Team in the West. But a Team in the East is going to take away salary and help the Knicks get Melo, give them Youth(lottery pick), and a Draft Pick, all for the services of Ronny Turiaf ?

Every time I think of trading Turiaf to a play-off team I think west. Why? Because I know how much better he makes that team. So yes, u got this... or maybe you didn't get the general point he was making. See the first bold print.

There are a ton of teams that would gladly have him-if they are able to acquire him. And why would they care about some late first rounder when they're in win now mode. Orlando is a great example and I would never want to trade him there. The last thing I want to see is Turiaf on the opposing side. He can be the difference in winning a game. We have witnessed this ourselves.

[NYsportsfan6230]

What's up guys.

Been reading these boards since I found out about them when the whole LeDiva situation was going no and having been reading since. Never got around to making an account until I saw some thing on here that aggravated me.

There are people proposing we trade Chandler and Fields for Melo, which is fine if that's what happens. But what got me aggravated was then the people who are proposing we trade Gallo for picks to send to Denver.

I personally don't mind either way if we get Melo or not, but when people talking about gutting the whole team is ridiculous.

We'd have a verison of a big 3 but the rest of our team would be worse than the Miami rejects who at least have Miller, Chalmers, and Haslem coming off the bench. We wouldn't have that luxury.

The only other thing that was really bothering me that led me to post is this whole Melo rumor nonsense are clearly affecting our team and need to end soon otherwise we are going to fall into a hole we will never get out of.

Anyways, that was my rant. Glad to be on the boards and I'm sure you'll be hearing from me quite a bit.

[vallen]

Maybe they are fevorishly working in practice with Mosgov so that we can trade Turiaf.

I wouldn't be against moving Turiaf to Orlando for rights to Fran Vasquez and a 2012 #1 pick or something along those lines.

In that instance - when would Vasquez's contract count against our cap? Once he was signed agreed to come over? Would that offer any help with our 2011 summer cap #s?

Lemme see if I got this. Den wont trade Melo to a Team in the West. But a Team in the East is going to take away salary and help the Knicks get Melo, give them Youth(lottery pick), and a Draft Pick, all for the services of Ronny Turiaf ?

Every time I think of trading Turiaf to a play-off team I think west. Why? Because I know how much better he makes that team. So yes, u got this... or maybe you didn't get the general point he was making. See the first bold print.

There are a ton of teams that would gladly have him-if they are able to acquire him. And why would they care about some late first rounder when they're in win now mode. Orlando is a great example and I would never want to trade him there. The last thing I want to see is Turiaf on the opposing side. He can be the difference in winning a game. We have witnessed this ourselves.

Hope your right because if we still have Turiafs contract past the deadline. Teams will absolutely extort us to absorb that contract. Imagine opening day of FA and we dont have the $$$ to give Melo, the money we promised him he would have if he held out. Gotta admit that would be a little embarrassing.

Anyway maybe a late pick but we need to make salarys match, so whos the expirings out there that match Ronnys.

[SoCalKnickFan]

What's up guys.

Been reading these boards since I found out about them when the whole LeDiva situation was going no and having been reading since. Never got around to making an account until I saw some thing on here that aggravated me.

There are people proposing we trade Chandler and Fields for Melo, which is fine if that's what happens. But what got me aggravated was then the people who are proposing we trade Gallo for picks to send to Denver.

I personally don't mind either way if we get Melo or not, but when people talking about gutting the whole team is ridiculous.

We'd have a verison of a big 3 but the rest of our team would be worse than the Miami rejects who at least have Miller, Chalmers, and Haslem coming off the bench. We wouldn't have that luxury.

The only other thing that was really bothering me that led me to post is this whole Melo rumor nonsense are clearly affecting our team and need to end soon otherwise we are going to fall into a hole we will never get out of.

Anyways, that was my rant. Glad to be on the boards and I'm sure you'll be hearing from me quite a bit.

Good post. Since you've been reading this board, you'll know to expect the following....
STFU and GTFO. Welcome!

[NYsportsfan6230]

What's up guys.

Been reading these boards since I found out about them when the whole LeDiva situation was going no and having been reading since. Never got around to making an account until I saw some thing on here that aggravated me.

There are people proposing we trade Chandler and Fields for Melo, which is fine if that's what happens. But what got me aggravated was then the people who are proposing we trade Gallo for picks to send to Denver.

I personally don't mind either way if we get Melo or not, but when people talking about gutting the whole team is ridiculous.

We'd have a verison of a big 3 but the rest of our team would be worse than the Miami rejects who at least have Miller, Chalmers, and Haslem coming off the bench. We wouldn't have that luxury.

The only other thing that was really bothering me that led me to post is this whole Melo rumor nonsense are clearly affecting our team and need to end soon otherwise we are going to fall into a hole we will never get out of.

Anyways, that was my rant. Glad to be on the boards and I'm sure you'll be hearing from me quite a bit.

Good post. Since you've been reading this board, you'll know to expect the following....
STFU and GTFO. Welcome!

Thanks.

It's killing me to see the effect this is having on Chandler's game. He was money until about a week and a half ago when these rumors started up again. I, like the rest of you, just need a decision one way or the other soon so we can get on with our season.

[nytonm]

I agree that we should move Chandler before the deadline in order to get some value for him. Wilson is important to this current team but we have another player at the same position in Gallo that is arguably just as good. If we can move Wilson in a deal that gets us players in positions of need (say Fernandez and Priz) I think we would still make the playoffs.

[onlyonesharky]

What's up with Wiretap Title (Actual title is from Daily News) about Walsh stating Trade Isn't On Way For Knicks"? No where does he even indicate anything about a trade, non-trade or trade insinuation or even close to a relation in words that can be described as a rough translation? Confusing:

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... or_knicks/
Walsh: Trade Isn't On Way For Knicks
Knicks president Donnie Walsh insists that a trade is not on the horizon involving the struggling team.

New York has lost six consecutive games.

"We've played better in the last two games," Walsh said.

"When you get in a period where you're losing, there has to be games where you play better and you might lose, but you show you're playing better. And good things will start happening. I thought that a little bit against the Spurs. But I thought we played much better against Oklahoma City and we probably should have won that game. I'm hoping it gets us on the right track."

Walsh never mentioned Carmelo Anthony by name, but he usually talks in generalities when it comes to trade targets and rumors.

"You can look around the league and the leading teams even go through (a losing streak)," he said. "That's going to happen. But the ability to get out of it is the most important thing. And I saw signs in the last two games where we can get out of it."

The Nets dropped out of the race for Anthony last Wednesday and the belief around the league is that the forward will eventually land in New York, his preferred destination.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... z1C0Ouk3gE

[Knicksrule2k4]

RT @KnicksGM: Sources just indicated to me that #knicks and Melo deal could be done by the end of the week..

I don't know who this guy is or how accurate he is, but I saw this on another board, original post courtesy of twitter.

[K_ick_God]

RT @KnicksGM: Sources just indicated to me that #knicks and Melo deal could be done by the end of the week..

I don't know who this guy is or how accurate he is, but I saw this on another board, original post courtesy of twitter.

I'm going to have to say that this is not reliable.

[soby22]

RT @KnicksGM: Sources just indicated to me that #knicks and Melo deal could be done by the end of the week..

I don't know who this guy is or how accurate he is, but I saw this on another board, original post courtesy of twitter.

I'm going to have to say that this is not reliable.

DAM! : (

[Knicksrule2k4]

RT @KnicksGM: Sources just indicated to me that #knicks and Melo deal could be done by the end of the week..

I don't know who this guy is or how accurate he is, but I saw this on another board, original post courtesy of twitter.

I'm going to have to say that this is not reliable.

Yea I figured...decided to pass it on anyway..