[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[thebuzzardman]

This latest wiretap doesn't have things looking great...

I've got a feeling that it's going to be a roller coaster ride until the trade deadline. 2 days ago it was "inevitable" that Carmelo was going to be a Knick, last night it looked like he's leaning on resigning with Denver, today an "NBA executive" is saying New Jersey will be back in the race... Tomorrow there will probably be a report that we're still in it. It's all on Denver to end the madness.

That "executive" is on the Nets.

[alphad0gz]

This should be posted everyone says Denver is messing up their franchise by not trading Carmelo.

Dude...it IS a huge gamble, which if they lose could set the franchise back years. They are gambling that they can always get something from the Knicks at the end of the season in a sign and trade. That may not be true. If they get nothing, they will have a hard time rebuilding through picks and trades. Ask Minny how that is working out. Getting some young talent back plus a pick is essential to moving on. Picks can be moved for young players.

The way this guy keeps changing his tune says everything about why he is who he is. First he says he's not afraid to become a FA, then he emphasizes wanting the extension.

Duetta, you're a smart guy. You should know that any statement can be spun by the interviewer to reflect either side of the story. The reality is that we have no idea what Melo is saying or how he is saying it. By that, I mean inflection, sarcasm, whatever. To listen to all the stuff coming out is to get lost in the interpretation. Look for the general theme, not the details. He wants NY and there are a couple of ways he can get there.

Not to mention, we need to use some common sense in this. Who REALLY is going to trade for a guy that is set on going someplace else? Cuban has been saying that since preseason but nobody listened.

[knicks9784]

This should be posted everyone says Denver is messing up their franchise by not trading Carmelo.

Dude...it IS a huge gamble, which if they lose could set the franchise back years. They are gambling that they can always get something from the Knicks at the end of the season in a sign and trade. That may not be true. If they get nothing, they will have a hard time rebuilding through picks and trades. Ask Minny how that is working out. Getting some young talent back plus a pick is essential to moving on. Picks can be moved for young players.

The way this guy keeps changing his tune says everything about why he is who he is. First he says he's not afraid to become a FA, then he emphasizes wanting the extension.

Duetta, you're a smart guy. You should know that any statement can be spun by the interviewer to reflect either side of the story. The reality is that we have no idea what Melo is saying or how he is saying it. By that, I mean inflection, sarcasm, whatever. To listen to all the stuff coming out is to get lost in the interpretation. Look for the general theme, not the details. He wants NY and there are a couple of ways he can get there.

Not to mention, we need to use some common sense in this. Who REALLY is going to trade for a guy that is set on going someplace else? Cuban has been saying that since preseason but nobody listened.

+1 alpha on the bolded above

we all saw how the "knicks dont want me" quote was spun. so until i see some audio or video to go with the quote im withholding any judgment on it.

[Knick4Real]

Guys, it's time for us all to calm down, wise up and not assume we're getting the WHOLE and TRUE story publicly... because we're not. In fact, we're all getting played. Just because you read something in the media doesn't make it true or accurate.

Both Melo and Donnie are sending up mixed signals in the press on purpose. Donnie Walsh is old school and has been at this game since Jesus walked the earth. So he's being shrewd and sending out mixed signals so as not to play his hand. Melo has said multiple times he DOES NOT want to be the hated villain like lebron. So he's sending out mixed signals mostly for the Nuggets fans to not turn on him, as well as to avoid any problems from the league. This is a high stakes game of poker involving one of the league's best players and millions of dollars in lost revenue for Denver if he leaves (missing the playoffs, etc.). So all sides are playing things close to the vest.

Just because us fans are confused, impatient, and don't see the full picture from our vantage point doesn't mean Donnie Walsh is too. He's too good at what he does. He's working every back channel behind the scenes, and trust that he has a direct line to Melo himself as well. He knows EXACTLY what Melo wants and is thinking, regardless of what either party says in the press. So don't buy the hype. Sit back, enjoy the ride, watch the master (Walsh) handle his business, and see how he reels it all in.

[Jmonty580]

For your own sanity you have to stop hanging on his every word and honestly there is no need to. If we get him (and you know I REALLY want him here) then great life is wonderful. If we dont, we still have very good young promising players. Add a piece here and there and I'll go to war with the guys we have for the next 4 years and I'd be confident that in time we can compete with the best. Get us a center and a back up point gaurd and we can be a VERY good team. Team chemistry and growth from within cannot be under estimated. There is still room for growth here.

Either way we are sitting pretty. So why hang on this melo thing like our lives as sane Knicks fans depends on it? It doesnt. If Melo wants to come we welcome him with open arm. If he doesnt, we'll still play hard and improve and win anyways.

[Lottery Bound]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... melo_race/

The Nets pulled out of trade talks with the Nuggets for Carmelo Anthony last Wednesday, but there are some around the league that aren't buying the claim.

"I've seen better acting in soap operas than [owner Mikhail] Prokhorov's performance," an executive close to the New Jersey and Denver front offices told Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports.

"The Nets will be back in this thing, but they'll be back in on their terms – not Denver's."

[god shammgod]

woj's article is such nonsense - here's what he wrote

That’s his way of saying: Come court me. Of course, the Wizards and Anthony make no sense. Anthony told the Denver Post’s Ben Hochman earlier on Tuesday that there are still four teams with which he’d consider signing an extension: Denver, Chicago, New York and New Jersey. Once the Nets insisted they were done bidding on him, the Nuggets lost their leverage and rebooted the process. One of Anthony’s agents, William Wesley, is still working the Bulls, sources said, and New York president Donnie Walsh wisely continues to show restraint in talks with Denver.

here's what actually was said

Asked where he thought he’d be traded, the Nuggets all-star said, “At this point, I really don’t know.

“New Jersey took that deal off the table. In order for me to consider them, I’d have to agree to the meeting. Now, it’s washed under the table.”

I Asked: Are the options strictly New Jersey, New York, Chicago, Denver?

Melo said, “Yeah. But I really can’t say it’s just those, because I don’t really know (what could happen).”

just make it up to suit your purposes woj

[rammagen]

Christ almighty, just leave them alone already. You guys have been swarming that board since last August. They don't want to hear it, and they don't need to hear what we have to say.

Reading is fundamental, what did I say I went over there to review did I post crap nope! Man I understand what they are saying to a point but a mods job should not be to directly challenge and encourage the crap that is happening there. It is utter chaos there and the mods over there are encouraging it.

[Ray Williams]

"I really can't say it's just those?"?????????????
I hope we move on from this soon.

[cgmw]

This is exactly my point. Some people on here seem to think that since we're the only real bidders left that we can just offer whatever we want and eventually Denver will cave in. But that isn't the case... if Denver doesn't get an offer that they like they'll just keep Melo and hope he signs an extension with them. It's a huge gamble but I think they're willing to take the risk.

Why is it a huge gamble? Like their franchise is saved by getting Gallinari and two future firsts? They're ****'ed if they do and ****'ed if they don't. I don't see it as a gamble, I see it as smart. See what Carmelo really does when the season is over and a lockout is imminent. I bet he signs the extension. I would.

He's saying its a huge gamble by Denver to keep Melo beyond the trade deadline. He thinks they are crazy enough to do it.

Oh, I got it. And I'm saying that it's not a gamble at all for Denver to keep Melo beyond the deadline. I'm saying they're ****ed either way you cut it.

I'm saying that Gallo/Randolph/Salary dump is inferior to making a run in the playoffs and then seeing if Melo really has the balls to turn down guaranteed money in the face of a lockout.

[seren]

Oh, I got it. And I'm saying that it's not a gamble at all for Denver to keep Melo beyond the deadline. I'm saying they're ****ed either way you cut it.

I'm saying that Gallo/Randolph/Salary dump is inferior to making a run in the playoffs and then seeing if Melo really has the balls to turn down guaranteed money in the face of a lockout.

+1. I agree 100% with this statement.

[KnickScoop]

but do they really want to keep a player who does not want to be there? for the sake of the fans and the future... if one thing goes wrong they know melo is disgruntled already

[Marty McFly]

I think melo will sign an extension with the nuggets in the end. they won't trade him to us, he doesn't want to get traded anywhere else, but he also wants his money, as has been said all along. frankly, it doesn't matter to me; though i think he's a good player, i don't think he puts us over the top.

the question is, if he does sign an extension, what happens to us with stat?

[Johnny Hoops]

Anyone hear what Kevin McHale had to say on the Knicks & Melo situation last night?

It wasn't earth shattering by any means but he said he talked to a # of his contacts from around the league yesterday and they said the Knicks have told Portland No Amare and No Felton -- but you can have your pick of the rest of the roster -- tell us who you want. He didn't say if the Knicks told Denver you can have 2 guys, or 3 guys or 4 guys of your choice.

If there is any credence to this --- I might suspect that we said pick any 3. Or pick any 2 and we'll also get you a #1 pick.

I do think this is the way to go -- rather than trying to package something to Denver --- have them tell you what they want and work from there.

[moocow007]

I think melo will sign an extension with the nuggets in the end. they won't trade him to us, he doesn't want to get traded anywhere else, but he also wants his money, as has been said all along. frankly, it doesn't matter to me; though i think he's a good player, i don't think he puts us over the top.

the question is, if he does sign an extension, what happens to us with stat?

The Nuggets might try to call his bluff but I think at the end of the day, they can't afford a Bosh. I think what you'll see is the bluff going all the way to the deadline and if Melo still refuses to sign an extension that they'll make a deal. I don't buy that they will go into the offseason with him on the team without an extension.

As far as what happens if he doesn't come to NY? NY luckily will still be in great position to make some moves. It may not involve getting a superstar but they have a lot of flexibility and should be fine.

[St Knick]

just my thoughts... but when has trading a star for decent (but not elite talent) been a good thing?

my theory is this...
Your the cavs... you just lost Lebron and your tema bottoms out. Is this REALLY the worst case scenario? If history has taught us a lesson, bottoming out is the best way to rebuild. Yes it may be painful, and takes years (plus theres always a chance you get a bust). But for smaller market (i.e. undesirable free agent destinations), this is pretty much your only option to create a perennial playoff team.

Minnesota did the opposite. They GOT players for Garnett. I would say it has been an epic failure.
People laugh at the Cavs now, but if they get a top pick and draft a stud (Perry Jones?) and they live up to their billing, theyll be out of the woods quicker than say Denver if they trade melo to us.

Well I guess it depends on your priorities. If you want to be a middling 500 team, you trade your star for pennies on dollar. If you want to blow it up and rebuild the traditional way (and take a shot at getting another elite talent via draft), you trade him for cap relief (by adding other bad contracts), or just let him go.

[seren]

What if Denver demands everyone except Amare and Felton as McHale claims he heard we are willing to do and attaches all their bad contracts. Do we still do it?

Something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4efyg2s

[K_ick_God]

Oh, I got it. And I'm saying that it's not a gamble at all for Denver to keep Melo beyond the deadline. I'm saying they're ****ed either way you cut it.

I'm saying that Gallo/Randolph/Salary dump is inferior to making a run in the playoffs and then seeing if Melo really has the balls to turn down guaranteed money in the face of a lockout.

+1. I agree 100% with this statement.

There's some truth to the fact that Denver might as well try to call his bluff if they don't get a good package, but you guys seem to be a little too enthused with this line of thinking given that it has deep flaws.

1) An extension could easily be rolled back so the security is nothing more than an illusion + 2) The NBA is never going to let Rudy Gay make a lot more than Carmelo Anthony, who has three more years in the NBA than Gay = Melo will either be partially or fully Grandfathered in OR a partial or full rollback will occur. That's the LOGIC of the situation. The rest is pure emotion.

All due respect ... Your thesis seems to be 'Melo might panic and make a poorly considered decision ... I know that's what I would do in this situation.' Not exactly something to go around flaunting and shouting from the rooftops.

[Lottery Bound]

Royce Young: Via @Ken Berger : Denver warming to idea of trading Melo to Knicks, Anthony Randolph being discussed. http://bit.ly/gWMPaK 2 minutes ago

[sol537]

NY Trades: Curry, Chandler, Randolph, 1st (via Mason/Walker salary dump), 'Buke, $3 Million, Turiaf, 2nd
Denver Trades: 'Melo, Eli, Harrington