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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#101 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:07 am

eastsidecrossover wrote:JV, I think you are talking about Jeremy Tyler. He was the #1 prospect in his class, but left after his jr. yr of HS for Europe. He continues to have problems and is in Japan. He is big at 6-11 245. He is athletic with a solid game. He was a stud too when I watched him in HS. for a kid his size and age, he could have been a top pick this year if he would have gone the college route.

I personally would love to see the suns take a chance on him in the second rd.


First the bad :
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

Now the ok:
http://www.asiabasketballupdate.com/jeremy-tyler.html

Honestly, i would take the chance.
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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#102 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:47 am

What does everyone think of Derrick Williams? Right now he's a super efficient scorer, but I'm a little iffy on how well that'll translate to the NBA given that he's "only" 6'8"
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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#103 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:03 am

MrMiyagi wrote:What does everyone think of Derrick Williams? Right now he's a super efficient scorer, but I'm a little iffy on how well that'll translate to the NBA given that he's "only" 6'8"


He will be a SF in the league as he would get worked over hardcore by the PF's in the league. I'd pass.
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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#104 » by DRK » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:48 pm

Here's someone that may be within our range.

Jordan Williams 6'10, 260lbs

Strengths: Broad shoulders and burly body have the potential to be chiseled into a vintage power forward ... Has dramatically improved his conditioning since he arrived on campus, but work remains to be done ... Works hard on the court as well as off it, hustling down court on fast breaks more often than many others his size. ... Impossible to stop when he's moving forward in the paint because of his size. ... Very soft touch combined with a willingness to go with a layup instead of a risky dunk ... Developing instincts as far as passing out of double teams ... Perhaps the most improved player in the country between his freshman and sophomore seasons, and the room to grow is still obvious ... Hounds the boards and boxes out well. Also has great hands and doesn't lose many balls he gets to ... Playing in a flex offense system that thrives on the fast break has allowed him experience at playing all sorts of roles on the court, from high post to wing to his most natural low post spot. ... Agility well above average allows him to control his balance and footwork in post ... Shows a high motor and desire to compete and improve ...

Weaknesses: Still a bit out of shape and lumbers at times because he's always running up and down the court. Plays hard but not always smart ... Still needs to improve at feeling a double team rather than turning into it before realizing he needs to pass ... Lacks ideal length and often seems to be at his worse when longer, taller players smother him in the post. ... Still developing his post moves, though they've come a long way since his freshman season. ... Jump shot is generally off, despite seamless mechanics and a feathery touch around the basket. Looks like a natural shooter from 15 feet, but the shots just don't go in. Particularly from the line - 50% ... May not be a true 6-foot-10.



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MrMiyagi wrote:What does everyone think of Derrick Williams? Right now he's a super efficient scorer, but I'm a little iffy on how well that'll translate to the NBA given that he's "only" 6'8"


He will be a SF in the league as he would get worked over hardcore by the PF's in the league. I'd pass.


Unless he bulks up a ton, I'll pass on him as being our PF of the future too.
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Re: 2011 draft? 

Post#105 » by TXSun » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:46 pm

one word - WEAK !
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Re: 2011 draft? 

Post#106 » by Miklo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:59 pm

eastsidecrossover wrote:I could not find the thread about this years draft. Since this team IMO is going down the drain, We need to look at possible draft prospects.

If you could link it, lock this, and stick the draft thread, that would be great.

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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#107 » by tigerblood » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:27 am

PS....lots of good college ball on tonight. Thompkins and Leslie are both looking studley for UGA. Ohio State is up next.

Leslie has JRICH flashes, just had a sick putback slam.
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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#108 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:12 pm

eastsidecrossover wrote:Nash and Hill could lead these young cats, but I think it is time for this FO to face reality and stop avoiding the obvious by rebuilding now. time to respect nash and hill and let them go to a contender for their final year(s). Get what we can out of them, a draft picks this or next year, same with VC. its time to blow this up, try to get a high pick and rebuild now.

If Sarver and the FO dont do this, I believe it will only make the rebuilding process even longer.

About what I would choose. I sure do like what I see in Perry Jones. His numbers are not that spectacular, but a guy that is 6-11 and could be a similar type of player as Durant is enamors me. With orlandos pick, I would go with best player available. We need soo much that we have to take the best. I think in the second rd, we try to buy a pick to get some risk, some players that have a lot of potential. That is why I like Jeremy Tyler. Jared Sullinger would be nice too.


I think keeping Nash and Hill and using them to mentor some young guys is the way to do it, and we may have to go after some problem children to get real talent since we have not much to trade with, really. Then hope our two vets can influence and re-mold them - hey, it could happen
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Post#109 » by Kingsforlife » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:52 am

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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#110 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:29 am

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Here is a good Jimmer article:

Jimmer’s magical ride should slow in NBA

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

Before he had become a one-name basketball phenom, a late-night TV and Internet sensation, Jimmer Fredette planned to pass on his senior season and stay in the 2010 NBA draft. The New Jersey Nets were inclined to take him in the late 20s, sources said, but Fredette sought a guarantee and the Nets’ past president, Rod Thorn, couldn’t bring himself to make the promise.
“Some executives will lie to a kid and take someone else that slips down to that spot,” one close associate said. “But Rod would never do that.”

Jimmer Fredette likely would have stayed in the 2010 NBA draft had the Nets guaranteed to take him in the first round.

The Nets had gone into draft day with the 27th pick, and a season of scouting him – including a private workout in East Rutherford – had them sold. Thorn had two scouts pushing him hard on Fredette. Once the New Orleans Hornets snatched Iowa State’s Craig Brackins(notes) before the Nets could complete a trade to move up, the irony turned out that Thorn would’ve been free to pick Fredette.

Truth be told, Fredette will never regret a return to BYU for his senior season. This is the best season of his basketball life, and nothing that’ll happen in the NBA could ever surpass the way he’s commanding the sport. Nearly every NBA team had a representative – including general managers Pat Riley of the Miami Heat, R.C. Buford of the San Antonio Spurs, Daryl Morey of the Houston Rockets and Bryan Colangelo of the Toronto Raptors – to watch him drop 43 points on No. 4 San Diego State on Wednesday night in Provo, Utah.

Only Kevin Durant(notes) topped him that night – hitting for 47 points – and as soon as the Oklahoma City Thunder’s overtime victory ended, here were the first words out of Durant’s Twitter account: “Jimmer Fredette is the best scorer in the world!!”

From everywhere on the floor, Fredette is a relentless, ferocious scorer. His range stretches far beyond the 3-point line, and his deftness with the ball – not to mention his toughness – gets him to the basket and the free-throw line. He’s scoring in the 30s, the 40s on some nights – averaging a nation-best 27.4 points per game – and perhaps it’s so amazing because people just don’t see that coming from a 6-foot-2 Mormon out of upstate New York. There’s no debating Fredette’s greatness as a collegiate scorer, but most fascinating is projecting what kind of pro player he’ll be.

Conversations with multiple NBA general managers and scouts who’ve tracked Fredette’s progress result in one consensus: Almost no one agrees on anything. Perhaps there’s something about a white guard with American roots which causes such prejudging, stereotyping and skepticism to abound. Perhaps there’s something about a white guard with American roots which causes such rooting interest and overhype. People are forever trying to pin Fredette into a neat little comparative box. Most agree he could top out in the late lottery around 12 or 13 but probably won’t last past the mid-20s.

It’s funny how Fredette draws comparisons to Gonzaga’s Adam Morrison(notes) and Duke’s J.J. Redick(notes). They don’t play so much like him, but they sure are white guys. Thirty years ago, the best player in BYU history, Danny Ainge, would’ve been the highest-drafted player in school history had he told NBA teams he preferred pro basketball over pro baseball. He was a different athlete than Fredette – bigger, faster and more suited for the pro game. For whatever it was worth, there was no shortage of comparable players in the NBA.

“I was a guy who could run, had good speed, and never in my college career did anyone question my athleticism,” Ainge said. “If I wasn’t playing baseball, I would’ve certainly been one of the top five or six picks. I don’t think anyone in the NBA was thinking about that with me or Doug Collins. We were bigger. We were athletic.”

For all the comparisons to Fredette, perhaps the one that NBA executives most make is with Golden State Warriors guard Stephen Curry(notes). The former Davidson star was a one-man wrecking crew, small, slight and full of flair, pushing 30 points a game outside of the power conferences. Several executives and scouts believe the Fredette-Curry contrast is a good way to measure BYU’s star, while several others don’t believe Jimmer belongs in his class.

“An insult to Curry’s talent,” one Eastern Conference personnel executive said.
Unlike Jimmer Fredette, Danny Ainge never had his athleticism or quickness questioned when he came to the NBA from BYU 30 years ago.

Out West, there’s an NBA scout who’s closely followed Fredette’s career. He’s watched him courtside multiple times over the past couple seasons, and flatly said: “I’m telling you, he’s better than Stephen Curry.

“Curry was always taking difficult, off-balance shots because he couldn’t create space like Fredette can for himself. Plus, I don’t think his team is any good. He’s doing this himself. He’s having one of the most remarkable seasons any college player’s had in the last 10 or 15 years.

“If this kid played in the ACC or Big East, they’d be building a statue for him.”

A Western Conference GM who has personally scouted Fredette this season, called him a player who belongs in the bottom half of the first round: “He doesn’t contribute in enough areas of the game besides scoring for me; does not set up teammates well or rebound; and is obviously lacking a defensive position.”

Nevertheless, the GM said, “He can score at our level. His ability to quickly change directions with power and rise up on balance for his shot is special.”

For all Fredette’s wondrous scoring ability, most have trouble seeing him as much more than a backup point guard – and some doubt even that.

“He’s going to have to defend Chris Paul(notes) and Derrick Rose(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) in the NBA,” another Western Conference GM said. “He’s played his whole life with the ball in his hands, and it’s in his hands 80 percent of the time now. He doesn’t do much without the ball. We all know he can pass and loves to score, but what team will he fit into that’s going to let him play his game and be such a defensive liability?

“Over his four years, he’s averaged just over one foul a game. That’s got to tell you something right there. And he’s probably getting called for a charge maybe once a game, so half of that total is probably not even on the defensive end. I mean, how can you never get into foul trouble? Hey, with five minutes left in the game, you kind of got to get down into a defensive stance and get a stop, don’t you? Get a loose ball, a deflection, a rebound. He’s just a scorer.

“And it’s debatable whether he’s a better scorer than Curry was,” the GM added. “Curry had more juice. He had a sneaky quickness. Jimmer can get by with his strength and quickness with the guys covering him in college, but against NBA defenders? Curry is the closest comparable player, but Jimmer isn’t Mark Price or Steve Nash(notes). He will never be one of those guys.”

All these doubts could be playing out on the New Jersey Nets’ bench this season, but Jimmer Fredette could get just one guarantee this season: That staying in school would bring him the time of his life. BYU has never been to a Final Four, and maybe he’s the star to take the Cougars there 30 years after Ainge had gone end to end to beat Notre Dame in the NCAA tournament.

Whatever happens, basketball will never be better for The Jimmer, a college phenom with a cult following and one magical name.


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Re: Suns need ____ in 2011 draft? 

Post#111 » by MaryvalesFinest » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:15 am

Fredette seems like a boom or bust pick but with the Suns most likely picking in the late lottery it's something to think about.

If they plan on playing the same style in the future and want a Nash type PG to groom, he's a guy to consider.
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