[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[K_ick_God]

I agree, unfortunately hes been overshadowed by uninformed forum frontiers. Hey its not there money.

But hey we need people to hold the pom poms too.

I would expect someone who doesn't know the difference between "there" and "their" to be the same person who thinks that Melo is going to be singled out for widely disparate treatment under the new CBA.

[Jmonty580]

I agree, unfortunately hes been overshadowed by uninformed forum frontiers. Hey its not there money.

But hey we need people to hold the pom poms too.

I would expect someone who doesn't know the difference between "there" and "their" to be the same person who thinks that Melo is going to be singled out for widely disparate treatment under the new CBA.

lol

I just find it funny that money has to be a factor. Its proven not to be a factor before, maybe these guys honestly value winning over all else? And again, either way he's not going to be poor by any stretch of the imagination. I dont get why that is so hard to believe. Money could be his main drive, but it doesnt have to be. I'm sure he wants his cake and eat it too, who doesnt?

[K_ick_God]

My FINAL statement on this matter and we'll all find out in a few months who is right

Whenever you have the urge to believe someone as uninformed as Chad Ford, or to come up with wild scenarios about how the new CBA is going to lower future Max players dramatically while leaving existing Max players untouched, just read this little cheat sheet and it will get you back straight:

Things that matter to the NBA:

Player seniority (years of NBA service)
Level playing field
Equitable distribution of league income
Fairness to their owners
Fairness to their players
Not rewarding shorter contract signors (Bosh, lebron, Wade)
Not punishing longer contract signors (Melo)
Consistency & continuity of rules
Justifiable, legalistic balance in applying rules
105%

See ya when we see that next CBA.

[captain subtext]

Right on. There is a ZERO % chance that Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay will make double the money that Melo and Howard and Paul will make in 2013. ZERO. Either Melo will get near the current Max deal or everybody else takes a deep cut as well.

[vallen]

I agree, unfortunately hes been overshadowed by uninformed forum frontiers. Hey its not there money.

But hey we need people to hold the pom poms too.

I would expect someone who doesn't know the difference between "there" and "their" to be the same person who thinks that Melo is going to be singled out for widely disparate treatment under the new CBA.

Dam KG ya really got me there. Hope this doesnt affect my grade.

[stuporman]

If everything stays the same, Melo can opt out in the summer and sign a 6 year/120 million deal. By signing the extension, he is risking 37 million. Why not mention this extreme if you will stick with the idiotic with new CBA the max will be 43 million extreme?

[K_ick_God]

I agree, unfortunately hes been overshadowed by uninformed forum frontiers. Hey its not there money.

But hey we need people to hold the pom poms too.

I would expect someone who doesn't know the difference between "there" and "their" to be the same person who thinks that Melo is going to be singled out for widely disparate treatment under the new CBA.

Dam KG ya really got me there. Hope this doesnt affect my grade.

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

[vallen]

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

aint gunna lie, that made me chuckle a bit.


Anyway if Melo extends he starts at 18.5, and 3 years extended to make it 4.

If he hit FA even under the Current CBA hed start at 16.5, and get 5 years.

Is this wrong ??? Were talkin at least 2 mill a year for 4 years. Granted its not 40 but its still significant.

Is this not accurate ? And the same reason why Rudy Gays Max is Currently Bigger then Amares Max ?

[K_ick_God]

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

aint gunna lie, that made me chuckle a bit.


Anyway if Melo extends he starts at 18.5, and 3 years extended to make it 4.

If he hit FA even under the Current CBA hed start at 16.5, and get 5 years.

Is this wrong ??? Were talkin at least 2 mill a year for 4 years. Granted its not 40 but its still significant.

Is this not accurate ? And the same reason why Rudy Gays Max is Currently Bigger then Amares Max ?

$8M is comparable to $40M? And he's saying it's the new CBA rules, not the Bird rights, which will cause the loss. Under the current rules, Melo could easily get a S&T as lebron, bosh and Amar'e got.

Rudy Gay does not make more than Amar'e. Amar'e's deal is significantly larger and he was signed and traded.

[St Knick]

From Chad Ford Chat todayJustin (New York)

Glad your not in New York where it's snowing for the millionth time this year! What do you make of Carmelo's recent remarks about "being screwed" if he does not sign the extension?
Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

I think he's speaking the truth. He could lose (and this is a bit of speculation since we don't know exactly how the CBA will turn out) something to the tune of $40 million. Could he make some of that up in endorsements ... sure. But he'd rather have all that money guaranteed and then add to it with endorsements.

this was my question.. i finally made a chat! too bad i get a crappy response that inflates the amount he really would lose

[randybrown]

Right on. There is a ZERO % chance that Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay will make double the money that Melo and Howard and Paul will make in 2013. ZERO. Either Melo will get near the current Max deal or everybody else takes a deep cut as well.

Howard & Paul will get more than Gay, except their contracts won't be guaranteed.
Owners have no issue with paying superstars, they just want an out from those 100mil contracts that can cripple an organization.

I think many people, including Chad Ford, are considering non guaranteed money as lost money, & its confusing as hell.

[vallen]

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

aint gunna lie, that made me chuckle a bit.


Anyway if Melo extends he starts at 18.5, and 3 years extended to make it 4.

If he hit FA even under the Current CBA hed start at 16.5, and get 5 years.

Is this wrong ??? Were talkin at least 2 mill a year for 4 years. Granted its not 40 but its still significant.

Is this not accurate ? And the same reason why Rudy Gays Max is Currently Bigger then Amares Max ?

$8M is comparable to $40M? And he's saying it's the new CBA rules, not the Bird rights, which will cause the loss. Under the current rules, Melo could easily get a S&T as lebron, bosh and Amar'e got.

Rudy Gay does not make more than Amar'e. Amar'e's deal is significantly larger and he was signed and traded.

Never said anything that remotely suggests 8 and 40 were comparable.

And If S&T is what your hoping for, then he still gets his 18.5. so after getting rid of Turiaf and renouncing Chandler, do we have 18.5 to absorb ?

[Context]

I think many people, including Chad Ford, are considering non guaranteed money as lost money, & its confusing as hell.

And it will be irrelevant because they will have to make the entire leagues contracts "non guaranteed". You can't have one group of players have "guaranteed money" and everyone moving forward have "non guaranteed" money. The players association will NEVER agree to that. Therefore, whether Melo signs the extension or not makes NO DIFFERENCE. Again, the player's association advised Melo not to concern himself:

According to a source, the Players Association hopes Anthony does not make his decision based on a doomsday scenario NBA commissioner David Stern and his agents are promoting. The union hopes Anthony goes about his business as normal, knowing NBPA executive director Billy Hunter will not agree to an unfavorable CBA deal for its superstars.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/k ... z1CBNFZjCk


Makes sense to me. Going about it under "duress" essential takes away his right as a free agent.

[Context]

so after getting rid of Turiaf and renouncing Chandler, do we have 18.5 to absorb ?

ONLY if we get rid of either AR or Mozz and trade our 2011 for future considerations. Based on the 58 million cap number of course...

[towelie]

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

aint gunna lie, that made me chuckle a bit.


Anyway if Melo extends he starts at 18.5, and 3 years extended to make it 4.

If he hit FA even under the Current CBA hed start at 16.5, and get 5 years.

Is this wrong ??? Were talkin at least 2 mill a year for 4 years. Granted its not 40 but its still significant.

Is this not accurate ? And the same reason why Rudy Gays Max is Currently Bigger then Amares Max ?

It's not accurate.

Under the current CBA, players of Melo's tenure in the league can either get 30% of the cap as a max, or 105% of his previous salary. In Melo's case, he'd opt for the 105% (ie. this is the grandfather clause KG was referring to that might still be included in the new CBA), which means his max contract would be $18M under the current CBA, regardless if he S&T's or signs with us directly. It's why when people are determining if we have enough cap space for Melo, we assume we need to clear $18M in cap space, not $16.5.

[vallen]

Fortunately for you there's nothing below an F.

aint gunna lie, that made me chuckle a bit.


Anyway if Melo extends he starts at 18.5, and 3 years extended to make it 4.

If he hit FA even under the Current CBA hed start at 16.5, and get 5 years.

Is this wrong ??? Were talkin at least 2 mill a year for 4 years. Granted its not 40 but its still significant.

Is this not accurate ? And the same reason why Rudy Gays Max is Currently Bigger then Amares Max ?

It's not accurate.

Under the current CBA, players of Melo's tenure in the league can either get 30% of the cap as a max, or 105% of his previous salary. In Melo's case, he'd opt for the 105% (ie. this is the grandfather clause KG was referring to that might still be included in the new CBA), which means his max contract would be $18M under the current CBA, regardless if he S&T's or signs with us directly. It's why when people are determining if we have enough cap space for Melo, we assume we need to clear $18M in cap space, not $16.5.

Ok thanks, I appreciate the explanation, however I always thought the Team you were contracted to could offer more Money then other teams could offer in FA.

[K_ick_God]

In some ways this is as OT as it can be. But yet it's very much on topic in the discussion of athletes and how money is all they care about. He is leaving $12M on the table and retiring:

“When I signed my contract, my main goal was to earn it,” (pitcher Gil) Meche said this week, by phone from Lafayette, La. “Once I started to realize I wasn’t earning my money, I felt bad. I was making a crazy amount of money for not even pitching. Honestly, I didn’t feel like I deserved it. I didn’t want to have those feelings again.”

“This isn’t about being a hero — that’s not even close to what it’s about,” Meche said this week. “It’s just me getting back to a point in my life where I’m comfortable. Making that amount of money from a team that’s already given me over $40 million for my life and for my kids, it just wasn’t the right thing to do.”

“He felt the organization had been very good to him, and he felt he needed to, not repay, but in his mind do the right thing,” (Royals GM Dayton) Moore said. “I’m not saying that if a player decides to do his best and fulfill his contract that’s the wrong thing. But Gil did what he felt was right for him.”

“He gave his heart and soul to his profession,” Moore said. “You only have so many throws in you.”

[Pharmcat]

In some ways this is as OT as it can be. But yet it's very much on topic in the discussion of athletes and how money is all they care about. He is leaving $12M on the table and retiring:

“When I signed my contract, my main goal was to earn it,” (pitcher Gil) Meche said this week, by phone from Lafayette, La. “Once I started to realize I wasn’t earning my money, I felt bad. I was making a crazy amount of money for not even pitching. Honestly, I didn’t feel like I deserved it. I didn’t want to have those feelings again.”

“This isn’t about being a hero — that’s not even close to what it’s about,” Meche said this week. “It’s just me getting back to a point in my life where I’m comfortable. Making that amount of money from a team that’s already given me over $40 million for my life and for my kids, it just wasn’t the right thing to do.”

“He felt the organization had been very good to him, and he felt he needed to, not repay, but in his mind do the right thing,” (Royals GM Dayton) Moore said. “I’m not saying that if a player decides to do his best and fulfill his contract that’s the wrong thing. But Gil did what he felt was right for him.”

“He gave his heart and soul to his profession,” Moore said. “You only have so many throws in you.”

except meche has a ravaged shoulder that can cause lifetime problems, melo has no problems like that

[K_ick_God]

In some ways this is as OT as it can be. But yet it's very much on topic in the discussion of athletes and how money is all they care about. He is leaving $12M on the table and retiring:

“When I signed my contract, my main goal was to earn it,” (pitcher Gil) Meche said this week, by phone from Lafayette, La. “Once I started to realize I wasn’t earning my money, I felt bad. I was making a crazy amount of money for not even pitching. Honestly, I didn’t feel like I deserved it. I didn’t want to have those feelings again.”

“This isn’t about being a hero — that’s not even close to what it’s about,” Meche said this week. “It’s just me getting back to a point in my life where I’m comfortable. Making that amount of money from a team that’s already given me over $40 million for my life and for my kids, it just wasn’t the right thing to do.”

“He felt the organization had been very good to him, and he felt he needed to, not repay, but in his mind do the right thing,” (Royals GM Dayton) Moore said. “I’m not saying that if a player decides to do his best and fulfill his contract that’s the wrong thing. But Gil did what he felt was right for him.”

“He gave his heart and soul to his profession,” Moore said. “You only have so many throws in you.”

except meche has a ravaged shoulder that can cause lifetime problems, melo has no problems like that

Read the article though. A few examples of players who just did some light rehab in order to earn their paycheck, then retired after the contract expired.

It's not about Melo per se but it does relate to things that have been discussed in this thread about how athletes are 100% about money.

[Fury]

No chance in hell Carmelo takes the extension with a team he doesn't want to play with. Maybe if it was his second contract. But the guy has made a lot of money. A LOT. Same situation with LeBron. He's going to come to New York if that's where he wants to play and it looks that way.