Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[God Squad]

I wouldn't be against picking up jimmer with our Miami pick and then working to get JaJuan Johnson with the 2nd round pick..piled with the top 5 pick hopefully that'd be a great draft haul imo


nvm we dont have a second round pick

Didn't we get our pick back from Dallas?

[Reef]

I wouldn't be against picking up jimmer with our Miami pick and then working to get JaJuan Johnson with the 2nd round pick..piled with the top 5 pick hopefully that'd be a great draft haul imo


nvm we dont have a second round pick

Didn't we get our pick back from Dallas?

Yup.

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I wouldn't be against picking up jimmer with our Miami pick and then working to get JaJuan Johnson with the 2nd round pick..piled with the top 5 pick hopefully that'd be a great draft haul imo


nvm we dont have a second round pick

Didn't we get our pick back from Dallas?

Yup.

That was our 2013 second rounder we got back.

Fredette will be long gone by 27 or 28.

I predict he'll go late lottery, around 12.

WojYahooNBA
Another NBA exec at BYU tonight: "Easier to teach 'D' than to drop 25 foot bombs in people's faces. Steph didn't defend at Davidson either."
12 minutes ago via web

WojYahooNBA
Texted with a couple NBA execs at BYU tonight. Says one of Jimmer: "Normal questions about size and athleticism, but he's a special scorer."
22 minutes ago via web

johnhollinger
Didn't see a second of Jimmerfest tonight, but did run into NBA scouts in hotel lobby. Consensus: Impressed.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

From Jon Givony's twitter page:

If Fredette goes to a team like Golden State, I could see him being an unbelievable player. But on Orlando, Boston, Spurs, he'd never play.
about 1 hour ago via Seesmic Desktop

Steph Curry is definitely the counter-argument in this discussion. Redick I don't think applies. He's turned himself into a great defender.
about 1 hour ago via Seesmic Desktop

Givony says that the reason Fredette isn't ranked as highly as, maybe, the hype would suggest, has everything to do with questions over his ability to defend at the next level. He doesn't seem too high on Jimmer Fredette as an NBA prospect.

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From Jon Givony's twitter page:

If Fredette goes to a team like Golden State, I could see him being an unbelievable player. But on Orlando, Boston, Spurs, he'd never play.
about 1 hour ago via Seesmic Desktop

Steph Curry is definitely the counter-argument in this discussion. Redick I don't think applies. He's turned himself into a great defender.
about 1 hour ago via Seesmic Desktop

Givony says that the reason Fredette isn't ranked as highly as, maybe, the hype would suggest, has everything to do with questions over his ability to defend at the next level. He doesn't seem too high on Jimmer Fredette as an NBA prospect.

DraftExpress
Had to give Jimmer Fredette a big bump up rankings after that. BYU's schedule has been questionable till now. But tonight was unbelievable.


Moved him to 13 in the mock draft - and moved Harrison Barnes down to #9

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

^I'm talking more about the concerns he conveyed, overall, about his ability to play at the next level.

I still believe he will surprise a lot of people (doubters if you will). I was just curious to see what Givony thought about him as an NBA prospect.

[sunny]

I just woke up up and saw another thread saying kyrie is 100% staying quoted with a fake source. Although people realized the guy made it up, everyone else agreed in the thread that is was likely he would end up staying.






I just want to say almost under no circumstances will any of this players, save maybe Derrick Williams end up staying. The lockout does not mean that much, the players will still declare. Look at the 1998 draft. Guys can tell you straight up now that they will stay another year in college (see players like John Wall, Oden, and probably any other top end prospect), but it means NOTHING until after the season has ended.

PLayers have a very small time period to decide if they want to stay in the draft or not after their reports are written. If they are promised money, they will take it.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Andy Katz apparently reported that Sullinger also wants to stay two years. Until a player comes out and says it, I won't believe it. And even then. I don't care about insiders or guys who think they follow the college team enough to know what the player might do.

[Rhettmatic]

Andy Katz apparently reported that Sullinger also wants to stay two years. Until a player comes out and says it, I won't believe it. And even then. I don't care about insiders or guys who think they follow the college team enough to know what the player might do.

Jonathan Givony was ripping Andy Katz on Twitter for being a hypocrite.

# Andy Katz: "Jared Sullinger wants to stay at OSU for 2 years, but who knows if the agents and runners will get in his ear after the season."

# Andy Katz: "Jared Sullinger is a lottery pick, but he's not a top-3 pick, so its not like he has that kind of pressure." Curious statements. about 21 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

# Again, the self-serving agendas continue to get pushed by TV networks. Is passing up being a top-5 to 10 pick really the smart thing to do? about 21 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

# I guess that's what the cost of "access," is though. about 21 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

# But somehow, as usual, the problem is the "agents and runners getting in kids' ears." For what, telling the truth? They're only messengers. about 21 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

Strange that Katz knows Sullinger isn't top-3 when he quoted a bunch of experts last week saying NBA teams dont know these things till June? about 21 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

[sunny]

until may/june, none of this means anything.

anybody who is top7 on a mock is declaring.

[Reignman]

Yeah, these chicken-little "they won't declare" people need to stop. Top 10 picks aren't going to risk injury or risk their draft stock by returning, it makes absolutely no sense. The 2012 draft is stacked, there's maybe only 1 or 2 guys in this draft that could comfortably say they'd be a top 10 pick in 2012. If they love school they can go back during the lockout (they just can't play).

The only guy I can see possibly going back is Barnes because of what's happened. A guy almost guaranteed to go #1 pre-season is now pegged at #9 and falling. He's the only guy I can see going back to polish his game and trying to recover his draft position. I still think it's a huge risk for him; however, he's still the only guy that might risk it.

[Komodo]

Why is Fredette a "pleasant surprise" this season? His numbers look almost identical to last year, except he's taking more shots and is shooting a bit better on two pointers. If it's really only a bump in usage and a slight increase in shooting, why wasn't there hype for this guy last year?

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Yeah, these chicken-little "they won't declare" people need to stop. Top 10 picks aren't going to risk injury or risk their draft stock by returning, it makes absolutely no sense. The 2012 draft is stacked, there's maybe only 1 or 2 guys in this draft that could comfortably say they'd be a top 10 pick in 2012. If they love school they can go back during the lockout (they just can't play).

The only guy I can see possibly going back is Barnes because of what's happened. A guy almost guaranteed to go #1 pre-season is now pegged at #9 and falling. He's the only guy I can see going back to polish his game and trying to recover his draft position. I still think it's a huge risk for him; however, he's still the only guy that might risk it.

If we could package our Miami pick with Jose/Amir/ to a team in the 6-9 range I would do it. Gives us a shot at Barnes.

It would be quite the successful draft if we ran away with Irving/Kanter + Barnes. Grand larceny.

Irving/Bayless
DeRozan/Weems
Barnes/Kleiza
Davis/Alabi
Bargnani/Dorsey

^^ still bad enough to tank another year but the age and talent level would be on par with a proper re-build.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If we happen to get unlucky in the lottery, then Im all for taking a shot at Barnes.

If we miss out on either P.Jones or Irving, then I take a Euro and leave him overseas.

Draft positioning for 2012 should start as soon as possible. There are probably 2 or 3 game changing/franchise type talents available and would be absolutely crushed if out lotto luck was used up for this draft.

[God Squad]

Yeah, these chicken-little "they won't declare" people need to stop. Top 10 picks aren't going to risk injury or risk their draft stock by returning, it makes absolutely no sense. The 2012 draft is stacked, there's maybe only 1 or 2 guys in this draft that could comfortably say they'd be a top 10 pick in 2012. If they love school they can go back during the lockout (they just can't play).

The only guy I can see possibly going back is Barnes because of what's happened. A guy almost guaranteed to go #1 pre-season is now pegged at #9 and falling. He's the only guy I can see going back to polish his game and trying to recover his draft position. I still think it's a huge risk for him; however, he's still the only guy that might risk it.

If we could package our Miami pick with Jose/Amir/ to a team in the 6-9 range I would do it. Gives us a shot at Barnes.

It would be quite the successful draft if we ran away with Irving/Kanter + Barnes. Grand larceny.

Irving/Bayless
DeRozan/Weems
Barnes/Kleiza
Davis/Alabi
Bargnani/Dorsey

^^ still bad enough to tank another year but the age and talent level would be on par with a proper re-build.

Looks damn good. But wishful thinking?

[God Squad]

If we happen to get unlucky in the lottery, then Im all for taking a shot at Barnes.

If we miss out on either P.Jones or Irving, then I take a Euro and leave him overseas.

Draft positioning for 2012 should start as soon as possible. There are probably 2 or 3 game changing/franchise type talents available and would be absolutely crushed if out lotto luck was used up for this draft.

Who are these game changers for next year?

[phronimos]

Look at the bottom teams:
Cleveland
Minnesota
Sacramento
Washington

cleveland might draft him at the #1 spot, but probably not?
they should probably take perry jones before him

minnesota probably isn't drafting another pg [but you never know if they're trading rubio]
sacramento has tyreke evans
washington has john wall

SUMMARY:
cleveland is the worst team and would probably need to use the #1 pick to get him.
there are good enough players that it wouldn't make sense for the other teams with pgs to take kyrie.

[JN]

Why is Fredette a "pleasant surprise" this season? His numbers look almost identical to last year, except he's taking more shots and is shooting a bit better on two pointers. If it's really only a bump in usage and a slight increase in shooting, why wasn't there hype for this guy last year?

My best guess, is that as a junior last year he was not expected to leave anyway, so why chat about him.

Now as a senior we know this is his draft calss.

[bigdirty]

The only team that won't take him is Washington. I can't imagine Sacramento sees Tyreke Evans as a long term solution at PG or as a distributer. He's turnover prone, shoots poorly and is streaky. Minny and Cleveland would also grab him in a heartbeat.

But all this could change in draft camps. He might look terrible and drop a bit. You never know.

[uGoTaCHanCe]

According to a lot of sources most of these guys will stay another year in college to avoid the lockout. In college they get a free ride (tuition, residence, spending cash) but if they go for the draft and there isn't a draft i don't think any of these guys are down to work at McDonalds flipping cheeseburgers and asking if you would like fries with your sandwich.