Jimmer Fredette & Kemba Walker (draft position)

[jfs1000d]

First of all on Walker, he is unguardable at this level. His numbers have slipped as teams are now
Sending 2 and 3 guys at him. But, his assists are creeping up.

Walker, as an NBA player, will blow by his defender and can create his own shot. Look at the shot off the dribble he makes. Factor in the defense they are playing against walkeris illegal in the NBA and I like how he projects.

Now, walker can also play PG, can pass and his defense is off the charts. I can see him being a 15-17 ppt scorer with great D. Plays like a poor man's iverson. I don't think walker is that kind of scorer however and no one has iversons energy. But he has that kind of inverson like game. Quick as AI, but not quite as explosive. Btw, I love walker off the bench as a 6th man on a very goodnteam. Devastating player.

Fredette is a great shooter and scorer, but he is small and unathletic. He is about 6-1, can't play 2 guard in the NBA and can't guard a chair. That screams role player. Look at Adam Morrison and jj redick struggles in NBA. Morrison never athletic enough. Redick a role player on a good team.

[Sandlot]

I'm not a scout. I can't ever say how someone's game will translate to the next level. Of course scouts often mess that up themselves. I have watched Fredette play a few times and the guy is unbelievable. I watched the SDSU game last night and he was just too good. He was able to score with defenders all over him. He just has an amazing shot. I'm pretty sure shooting is the same at any level. I don't think it matters if you're shooting over an NBA player's hand or a college kid's hand. Based on what I'm hearing from everyone, he needs to be better rounded to be a star. However, he only needs one team to love his shooting. I bet he would do pretty well playing for a team like the Heat. He would have less defensive pressure and would be left open to shoot the ball lights out like he does.

[Upperclass]

Jimmer reminds me so much of Nash.. white thing i guess.. but seriously.. he's so connected to the game its ridiculous. You never see the guy make a mistake.

Walker reminds me of Bobby Jackson.. skilled, but will thrive as a scorer

[jman3134]

Literally, before I read your post Upperclass, I was going to say: do you think people had the same reservations about Steve Nash coming in? Beat me to the punch.

[Point-God]

Steve Nash was a legit NBA prospect much like Kirk Hinrich. Steve Nash was (during his last year) never spoken of outside of the context of 1st round NBA pick. Never... Rex Walters was another white guard prospect that was selected in the 1st round and was highly thought of back then in a NCAA with much better competition. Jimmer Fredette is a late 2nd round guy if he is drafted at all.

[Cammo101]

White guards will always have to deal with the unathletic tag coming out of college. Warranted or not.

[jman3134]

Steve Nash was a legit NBA prospect much like Kirk Hinrich. Steve Nash was (during his last year) never spoken of outside of the context of 1st round NBA pick. Never... Rex Walters was another white guard prospect that was selected in the 1st round and was highly thought of back then in a NCAA with much better competition. Jimmer Fredette is a late 2nd round guy if he is drafted at all.

Again, this shows that you clearly have no watched the guy play, or are biased beyond belief. It can be argued that Jimmer was not really ever going to be a second round pick. Scouts last year tabbed him in the first round, but he didn't get his guarantees in time.

[Point-God]

White guards will always have to deal with the unathletic tag coming out of college. Warranted or not.

White Chocolate didn't have to deal with it, neither did Hinrich, Rex Chapman, nor did Bones have to deal with it. Black guards that lack athleticism have to deal with it like Jack McClinton.

[Point-God]

Steve Nash was a legit NBA prospect much like Kirk Hinrich. Steve Nash was (during his last year) never spoken of outside of the context of 1st round NBA pick. Never... Rex Walters was another white guard prospect that was selected in the 1st round and was highly thought of back then in a NCAA with much better competition. Jimmer Fredette is a late 2nd round guy if he is drafted at all.

Again, this shows that you clearly have no watched the guy play, or are biased beyond belief. It can be argued that Jimmer was not really ever going to be a second round pick. Scouts last year tabbed him in the first round, but he didn't get his guarantees in time.

What scouts called him a 1st round pick last year? Why am I biased? Why can't he just be a minor NBA prospect?

[Cammo101]

Fredette reminds me a lot of Steph Curry. Average athlete tweener guards, who shoot the lights out and dominate their team's posessions. Curry went in the early lottery.

[princeofpalace]

Demetri McCamey is a relatively unathletic black PG prospect & he's getting pegged as a late first/early 2nd. He's obviously not as great a scorer as Jimmer but he's a real PG.

[jman3134]

Steve Nash was a legit NBA prospect much like Kirk Hinrich. Steve Nash was (during his last year) never spoken of outside of the context of 1st round NBA pick. Never... Rex Walters was another white guard prospect that was selected in the 1st round and was highly thought of back then in a NCAA with much better competition. Jimmer Fredette is a late 2nd round guy if he is drafted at all.

Again, this shows that you clearly have no watched the guy play, or are biased beyond belief. It can be argued that Jimmer was not really ever going to be a second round pick. Scouts last year tabbed him in the first round, but he didn't get his guarantees in time.

What scouts called him a 1st round pick last year? Why am I biased? Why can't he just be a minor NBA prospect?

Because he hits daggers all game long from well beyond the three point line. He is scary efficient from the field shooting the ball. And, that's assuming that he is not crafty enough to get his shot off on the drive. When you can shoot the ball like that, it translates at any level.

Last year, the general sentiment according to DX sources was that he would probably go late first round. He didn't receive his guarantee in time and withdrew after a minor injury with the Knicks. I'm just reporting what I read.

[Cammo101]

Demetri McCamey is a relatively unathletic black PG prospect & he's getting pegged as a late first/early 2nd. He's obviously not as great a scorer as Jimmer but he's a real PG.

I don't see McCamey as any more true a PG than Fredette. McCamey just has better talent around him to pass to, so his assist numbers are higher. Neither are floor generals, both are combo guards with PG skills. Fredette is the much better scorer/shooter...the rest is about equal.

[Point-God]

Last year, the general sentiment according to DX sources was that he would probably go late first round. He didn't receive his guarantee in time and withdrew after a minor injury with the Knicks. I'm just reporting what I read.

Link me to the DX source that you read.

[jman3134]

I was trying to find it before. It wasn't an article detailing what I mentioned, but rather a rumor I saw somewhere. So forget I ever said it if you want- I'm pretty sure it's from hoopshype (maybe not DX), but it doesn't let you search that far back.

As for him being picked in the first round, scouts had said that he could go anywhere from 20-40, and there were limited point guards in the last draft, so it was feasible that he slipped into round 1.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

[Point-God]

I was trying to find it before. It wasn't an article detailing what I mentioned, but rather a rumor I saw somewhere. So forget I ever said it if you want- I'm pretty sure it's from hoopshype (maybe not DX), but it doesn't let you search that far back.

As for him being picked in the first round, scouts had said that he could go anywhere from 20-40, and there were limited point guards in the last draft, so it was feasible that he slipped into round 1.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

DX never had Jimmer as a 1st round prospect at any point last season. You called me biased earlier and that scouts tabbed Jimmer as a 1st round pick. You have proven that you are "biased" in that you will create lies and use charged words to promote the stock of a player that you like. It's not personal with Jimmer for me, no bias here. He's just not that good of an NBA prospect. I've seem him before, I posted a picture earlier in this thread.

[Alfred]

This guy's shot is money. He has good elevation on his jumpshot too, so getting his shot off at the next level is not out of the question at all.

[jman3134]

I was trying to find it before. It wasn't an article detailing what I mentioned, but rather a rumor I saw somewhere. So forget I ever said it if you want- I'm pretty sure it's from hoopshype (maybe not DX), but it doesn't let you search that far back.

As for him being picked in the first round, scouts had said that he could go anywhere from 20-40, and there were limited point guards in the last draft, so it was feasible that he slipped into round 1.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

DX never had Jimmer as a 1st round prospect at any point last season. You called me biased earlier and that scouts tabbed Jimmer as a 1st round pick. You have proven that you are "biased" in that you will create lies and use charged words to promote the stock of a player that you like. It's not personal with Jimmer for me, no bias here. He's just not that good of an NBA prospect. I've seem him before, I posted a picture earlier in this thread.

Did you even bother to open my link? As I said before, he was tabbed late first/early second round. Some scouts obviously did think he might merit a first round pick- otherwise that range would not be applicable. (you know the one I linked you to) On another note, I don't particularly like Jimmer, but rather, I am trying to be objective.

As for the original blurb that I was referring to, I could not find where I saw that. But, all of hoopshype content for before the draft deadline is removed. I tried searching it, but to no avail. So, sue me.

And I didn't say you are biased because you didn't think he was a 1st round draft pick last year, I said it because of your refusal to accept the mainstream view that this guy is a definite first round draft pick in 2011.

[ReasonablySober]

Steph Curry is who I see.

Point-god, this is an update last March from Chad Ford, someone who right now thinks he's a lotto pick:

Mar 22 Update: Fredette's huge game against Florida (37 points) got everyone buzzing. Not only is Fredette a dead-eye shooter, he's a relentless prober who can wiggle his way through the thinnest of seams to get to the basket. His first game had shades of Stephen Curry at Davidson two years ago. But Kansas State slowed him down considerably in the second round. More damning was Fredette's defense, or lack thereof. Some NBA scouts see him as a late first-round pick. I think late second round is more realistic.

[Point-God]

As I said before, he was tabbed late first/early second round.

scouts last year tabbed him in the first round, but he didn't get his guarantees in time.

Which one is it?