Simple Portland trade idea

[evildallas]

Marvin Williams and protected 1st round pick
for
Andre Miller

Logic: Gets a veteran PG in to run the show whose contract isn't guaranteed next year. Dumps Marvin's salary commitment to allow resigning of Jamal. ESPN's trade checker shows a 9 game improvement based on Miller's productivity. Longer term, the loss of Marvin can be made up with a relatively cheap SF because his role was limited too much considering his salary.

For Portland's side of it, they move an ill-fitting veteran for a young F that could blossom in a different situation (close to home as well). I'm realistic that Marvin's not shown enough this year to be coveted, that is why I'm tying a 1st rounder around his neck so rival GMs might play with him.

I acknowledge this isn't the perfect move (Nash, maybe), but it's realistic and unlike the Calderon rumors it helps resign Jamal. The contracts match up and I believe the prospect of playing closer to home might help sell Marvin (his best game as a Hawk was probably a road trip to Seattle years ago). On the downside our bench fire power in going to be consolidated on the perimeter with Crawford and Bibby. My hope is that by adding a true PG to the mix that maybe the offense will transform more and maybe we won't settle for isos and jump shots at key points in the game (probably a pipe dream with our current roster). Potentially Miller could get the ball to Al and Josh in better scoring locations more often.

[myrak433]

I say yes

[D21]

I would also say yes, but remember that Crawford did not bring so much W here, so if we really get a step forward with Miller, it could bring a new question : do we re-sign Crawford, or Miller ?

Something I like (I think we already talk about it in the past) is the fact of keeping Bibby as backup PG (we would certainly have one of the best impact backup PG), and getting Miller as the perfect opposite qualities.
We would also have 48min of experience if needed. On the other hand, it says Goodbye to Teague for this year.

[azuresou1]

Not a huge fan. Who do we play at SF now and long term? I think this draft blows but a pick is a pick.

[geeman]

I would also say yes! We made a big step forward when we got Bibby, I think Pig in combo with bibbys outside shotting would be another step foward.

[myrak433]

Not a huge fan. Who do we play at SF now and long term? I think this draft blows but a pick is a pick.

SF come a dime a dozen. Marvin Williams can easily be replaced. Hell Wilkens can fill in as a starter until we get someone else. What does Marvin actually do? He is a ok Defender. Well Damian is a better Defender. Marvin can hit the outside shot, but he doesn't take it, so that doesn't matter.

[azuresou1]

Marvin is faster, stronger, has a better inside game, a better midrange game, a better outside game, and is just flat out better than Damien Wilkins by leaps and bounds.

Yes, SFs are easily replaced. What are we going to replace him with? Our 2nd round pick next year? Pape Sy? Some FA signing (because lord knows we'd spend the money on a quality FA)?

This is a shortsighted move because our current roster is a trap roster, although unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me to see the ASG pull the trigger because they're idiots who signed a 3rd rate SG to >$120MM.

[evildallas]

It's not that I am suggesting that Wilkens or Evans is as good as Marvin, but that Marvin isn't worth the 7-8M he's getting paid because of the size of the role with the team and his lack of drive to make it a bigger role. Another player could fill the role that we get from Marvin and allow us to spend more money to better fill one of the larger roles on the team.

This really hit me at the start of the 4th quarter last night when he should have clearly been one of the go to offensive options with Jamal as the only other scorer on the floor but his only sign of offense during that stint was a follow of Zaza miss. Maybe I should give him more time since he's coming off of an injury but if he defers while on the floor with Zaza, Teague and Mo Evans then I don't have much hope that he'll ever change.

I don't see the move as short-sighted but rather corrective. Marvin was signed on the hopes he'd become more, but almost half way through the extension and he seems content to fill the role of 5th man. We could ride out his contract hoping that he blooms late or maybe more conservatively that he just outperforms the weakest link on the opponent. However, I've reached the breaking point on him and I'd rather apply the money committed there somewhere else in the lineup whether it be PG, C, or 6th man. Basically searching for a better ROI than Marvin is giving. Sadly I feel if we wait out Marvin we'll squander Joe and even Josh's best years in the league.

As down as I am on Marvin I think he'd be a reasonable risk because of his potential to a deep pocketed owner with a different system for him to fit into. Atlanta just isn't the place for him to ever reach his potential.

[evildallas]

To answer the other question, I see the "big" lineup being used:
Miller/Bibby
Joe/Jamal
Josh/Mo Evans
Al/Powell
Jason Collins/Zaza

With the possibility of going small with Jamal instead of a C late in the game.