Jimmer Fredette & Kemba Walker (draft position)

Post #61 » by **jman3134** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:47 pm

Seriously, can you be a little more mature? I don't have a problem with you personally, but you are just being a troll. I said it like 10 times.....projected 20-40.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #62 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:00 pm

BYU fan.

The first game I watched of Jimmers was agaisnt San Diego State his sophmore year (in which he averaged over 16 points a game). The first thing I noticed was his ability to finish while creating contact. He was able to get inside, absorbe contact and he had enough strenght/body controll to finish the play. I remember thinking that if he can shoot the ball with a quick/high realease he will most definetly be a first round draft pick.

As it turnes out he can shoot and his ability to finish at the rim with contact is somthing that has stuck around.

For people saying that he's a senior dominating young guys, you're dead wrong. He has had the ability to dominate all along. I wonder if you guys pulled the same logic out on Brandan Roy?

Fredette doesn't lack in assist because of a lack of a better option, its because of the system. BYU doesn't run a PG dependent system, the passing comes from everywhere on the floor and anyone can initiate the offense. Jimmer is not a true PG, but he does have some skill (don't think Stephen Curry, Curry is much better as a PG).

If you wan to compare his PG skills to a player compare him to Monta Ellis.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #63 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:05 pm

Oh yeah, Jimmer was projected by a lot of scouts to be a first round pick last year. That doesn't matter, peoples stock change all the time. No one knew who Bogut was before his freshman season. After his sophmore season he was the obvious choice for the number one pick. From a nobody his freshman year to the second best cetner in the NBA.

Christ Taft would have been a top three pick out of highschool or after his freshman year. He left school after his sophmore year and he was a 2nd rounder who didn't even play a full season in the NBA.

"Brandon Roy made a lot of scouts laugh when he tried to declare out of high school" - Draft Express

Point-God · Post #64 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:16 pm

jman3134 wrote:Seriously, can you be a little more mature? I don't have a problem with you personally, but you are just being a troll. I said it like 10 times.....projected 20-40.

I don't believe it's personal with me. You were just defending your boy Jimmer and making up things to support your view of his stock in the process. It's cool to be a fan of a player. You don't have to call guys online biased that don't like his draft stock in the 1st round.

babyjax13 · Post #65 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:33 pm

Point-God wrote:
jman3134 wrote:Seriously, can you be a little more mature? I don't have a problem with you personally, but you are just being a troll. I said it like 10 times.....projected 20-40.

I don't believe it's personal with me. You were just defending your boy Jimmer and making up things to support your view of his stock in the process. It's cool to be a fan of a player. You don't have to call guys online biased that don't like his draft stock in the 1st round.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

Fredette might have received a guarantee in mid-June, but because he couldn't get one in early May, he decided to go back to BYU.

"As for feedback, it was weird -- all of the teams told me the same thing: that I could go in the 20-40 range. Those were all teams who were looking for point guards and had picks in that range, so I trusted it. I was looking for a first-round guarantee in order to stay in, but no one could give me one, because it was so early in the process, and so much could change between May 8 and the draft.

princeofpalace · Post #66 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:16 am

DX has this really cool feature which tracks where draft prospects fall in their mocks.

For what its worth DX has never projected Jimmer to be a first rounder until now

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jim ... t-history/

#1 pick · Post #67 » by **#1 pick** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:26 am

jman3134 wrote:Literally, before I read your post Upperclass, I was going to say: do you think people had the same reservations about Steve Nash coming in? Beat me to the punch.

Nash was fast as heck and more of a true PG, Fredette is a crafty scorer with a sneaky first step, he range from Deron to Steph Curry to Mark Price. He's a top tier talent with is most important. Walker reminds me of Damon S.

Kingsforlife · Post #68 » by **Kingsforlife** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:40 am

Mike Bibeee

Post #69 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:32 am

I was trying to hint at the white stigma in the draft- not really provide so much of a basis for comparison. Obviously, Nash is more of a pure point guard.

For what its worth DX has never projected Jimmer to be a first rounder until now

Yeah, I'm not sure where I read whatever I did read. I remember him being high second round on DX in the mocks. But, sources close to agents kept reporting either early second or late first from what I remember reading. Still, I don't have the original source that came to mind to prove that.

Post #70 » by **UGA Hayes** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:13 am

Yeah but he is genuinely not very athletic so the white stigma isn't totally unfair. Its hard not to be wary as he just doesn't play great competition all year. Arizona is the only other team he will play with an NBA prospect since UCLA doesn't really have one.

Post #71 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:19 am

UGA Hayes wrote:Yeah but he is genuinely not very athletic so the white stigma isn't totally unfair. Its hard not to be wary as he just doesn't play great competition all year. Arizona is the only other team he will play with an NBA prospect since UCLA doesn't really have one.

You mean besides the first round draft pick he played against last night?

babyjax13 · Post #72 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:44 am

jman3134 wrote:I was trying to hint at the white stigma in the draft- not really provide so much of a basis for comparison. Obviously, Nash is more of a pure point guard.

For what its worth DX has never projected Jimmer to be a first rounder until now

Yeah, I'm not sure where I read whatever I did read. I remember him being high second round on DX in the mocks. But, sources close to agents kept reporting either early second or late first from what I remember reading. Still, I don't have the original source that came to mind to prove that.

Look five posts up from yours. SI had it.

Post #73 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:06 am

Yeah I know, but I recall a piece where scouts said that he would have been in the late first round had he stayed- but it was too late. (this was after he withdrew) So, I posted a different link that also supported my point.

Point-God · Post #74 » by **Point-God** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:52 am

Sarunas Jasikevicius is another guy that compares to Jimmer Fredette.

jfs1000d · Post #75 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:00 am

No question he has range and can shoot.

But, fredette can't guard anyone, and hisnPG skills aren't great. I see him as a first rounder and an NBA player. Jimmer is nowhere near the athlete that steph curry is. And, he has nowhere near the skill level or quickness Steve Nash.

This is not a white thing. He reminds me of Eddie house. No one shoots it better than Eddie, but, we see how limited Edie is. Jimmer is more versatile than Eddie, but, it's worth noting how shooters only players are limited. How about ben Gordon? Jimmer isn't Ben in athleticism and I can't say jimmer is a better scorer than Ben. Both same size, and look at Gordon's up and down play in his career.

Another white shooter like Casey Jacobson couldn't get on the floor. Adam Morrison is a knockdown shooter. None could get on the floor.

Post #76 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:14 am

Why do we have to think of him as a "white" player and not just a player? If you're going to say he's not that athletic that's fine, but let's not compare him to Casey Jacobson. (great college player though)

Point-God · Post #77 » by **Point-God** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:25 am

Matt Maloney is another guy that compares to Jimmer Fredette.

I believe that Jimmer is just an overly mature college player that is dominating an NCAA that's weaker than it has ever been (Kemba Walker and Evan Turner are also in that same boat). So when I compare him to current or former NBA players, I believe that I am giving him too much credit. I actually believe Fredette is another Ben Woodside who will not have an NBA career, or not much of one outside of sitting the bench and performing mop up duty.

I want to maintain a list of guys he compares to favorably:

1.Sarunas Jasikevicius
2. Matt Maloney
3. Tim Legler

I'm not saying that Jimmer will be as good of a professional basketball player as those guys. I think his career will mirror that of Ben Woodside.

Upperclass · Post #78 » by **Upperclass** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:38 am

^^ You're trying too hard man. Only area they compare is jumpshot efficiency. Fredette does his damage against much better teams. Is more athletic, creative, disruptive and despite the stats.. a better passer.
Woodside was good, but he was more of a machine, a guy you give the ball to and say, score me 30. Fredette you give the ball to and say run my team, win my game, and score me 30.

Point-God · Post #79 » by **Point-God** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:09 pm

Upperclass wrote:^^ You're trying too hard man. Only area they compare is jumpshot efficiency. Fredette does his damage against much better teams. Is more athletic, creative, disruptive and despite the stats.. a better passer.
Woodside was good, but he was more of a machine, a guy you give the ball to and say, score me 30. Fredette you give the ball to and say run my team, win my game, and score me 30.

I disagree. Jimmer Fredette beats defenders with skill. Ben Woodside had quality speed which allowed him to beat defenders with speed and skill. Fredette is obviously the stronger more well built man. He has no length or leaping ability so his strong body will not be of much help in scoring the ball in the pros (think D Rose absorbing contact then hanging in the air). My comparison of Woodside and Fredette was more about their NCAA dominance, which was a product of their maturity and weak NCAA competition. Fredette's game compares more favorably with the players on the list that I made.

Upperclass · Post #80 » by **Upperclass** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:46 pm

^^ Fredette is quicker and more agile..He makes acrobatic passes, layups, advanced ballhandling maneuvers. He's more athletic. Woodside is a hair faster maybe.. but any difference is negligible.