[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[falcindor]

I hope people realize Melo has to opt out to sign this summer. Denver could be hoping he doesnt opt out and with wins he decides to sign an extension next season.

[GotItNow]

Hot off the presses!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2011 ... ed_of.html

NEW YORK — “Here’s what everyone is missing,” Donnie Walsh was saying an hour before tipoff, as he pondered the vagaries of trades and Knicks and the unspoken agent (name: Carmelo Anthony) that weaved those two talking points together in the latest NBA cacophony.

“In the end, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what everyone wants. It’s about what Denver wants to do. They’re in control of everything, whether people want to believe it or not. And I can’t tell you what they want, because I don’t know.”

Ok so, enough speculating. Denver's not even telling Donnie what they want. He's not coming to NY.

[GotItNow]

Hot off the presses!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2011 ... ed_of.html

NEW YORK — “Here’s what everyone is missing,” Donnie Walsh was saying an hour before tipoff, as he pondered the vagaries of trades and Knicks and the unspoken agent (name: Carmelo Anthony) that weaved those two talking points together in the latest NBA cacophony.

“In the end, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what everyone wants. It’s about what Denver wants to do. They’re in control of everything, whether people want to believe it or not. And I can’t tell you what they want, because I don’t know.”

So basically Donnie said what I've been saying all along that the Nuggets would keep him, rather than trade him for garbage. They still have to get back a respectable package.

Basically...Donnie said no such thing.

[duetta]

The Denver team is built around Anthony, constructed so as to minimize his weaknesses. The Knicks wouldn't be. It would be shades of the old Campy Russell-Toby Knight team...all offense, no defense - and little rebounding.

[Chislic]

I'm concerned about rebounding. Especially if we loose Fields. Melo = Chandler or Galo in terms of rebounds, but where are those 7.2 rebounds going to come from??? Fields rebounding keeps us competitive.

9.0 Stoudemire
7.2 Fields
6.1 Chandler
4.4 Gallinari
3.7 Felton
3.5 Turiaf
3.0 Douglas
3.0 Williams

[HighRyzer83]

Are you not understanding why it is wiser to wait this out or what?

I agree completed. Some of these guys can't wait to return us to cap hell, despite the fact that the three key 2012 FA are all superior team contributors to Anthony. I'll be dammed if I give up my 2012 flexibility until I know, for sure, who will be available.

Thank god Donnie is smarter then you are. Once we gave 100 million to Amare we were all in to win now. Not wait until 2012, year 3 of his contract and HOPE that we can we can sign Paul, D-Wil or Howard when we have a chance to get a superstar to pair with Amare now. Not to mention we have a pg. We need another dominant scorer that could get their own shot in the clutch and there is noone better at that then Melo.

You're the one playing checkers with vegetables ballboy. Understand the value system of traded/acquired assets. Understand any trade for Melo would include a ridiculous extension that would make him about the highest paid players in the league; this for a player arguably not even in the top 10 and provides nothing we desperately need. Its like outbidding yourself in an auction of one. This is like an unrealized loss; which is a liability. Understand any trade for Melo would include valuable prospects if not tradable assets. All this can be avoided by just letting the rest of the year run out.
Bball trades are slightly more complicated than jumping on the first big name available, whilst locking yourself into cap hell and limiting other options. Or have we learned nothing from the isiah era.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I'm concerned about rebounding. Especially if we loose Fields. Melo = Chandler or Galo in terms of rebounds, but where are those 7.2 rebounds going to come from??? Fields rebounding keeps us competitive.

9.0 Stoudemire
7.2 Fields
6.1 Chandler
4.4 Gallinari
3.7 Felton
3.5 Turiaf
3.0 Douglas
3.0 Williams

Melo is a better rebounder than both Chandler and Gallo. This season he is averaging only one fewer than Amare.

With that said, I agree that he's certainly not the answer for our rebounding woes and you make a great point that losing Fields would really hurt us in an area where we are already pretty weak.

[seren]

Denver is not on the table. Walsh asked them what they want and they never responded. Walsh will not go them with a package unless Denver sits on the table. This just suggests me there won't be a trade attempt for Melo at all.

[defjux21]

Denver is not on the table. Walsh asked them what they want and they never responded. Walsh will not go them with a package unless Denver sits on the table. This just suggests me there won't be a trade attempt for Melo at all.

Sounds to me like they're betting everything on Melo staying thanks to Denver's projected regular season success as well as potential money loss from a new CBA.

We can keep criticizing Ujiri for not learning from getting Boshed last season. The thing is, from a FO perspective, this kind of makes sense. I mean, if you're the GM, and you decide to trade away your franchise player (who is a top 10 player in the league) for some young players with upside, you might as well be saying "Fire me, please." Not only does it look bad in terms of a value perspective, but it would hurt the franchise's image. At the very least, Melo puts butts in those seats at the Pepsi Center. They want to convince to the fans that Melo will stay, since one advantage would be renewed season tickets for next season, so more money in Stan's pocket.

I hate to quote Simmons, but he's kind of on point with his 'Illusion of Regret' concept:

That's where the illusion of regret comes in. A noncontender needs to convince its fans every spring, You better lock down another year of your seats, because if you don't, you're gonna miss out when we kick ass and make the playoffs and it's going to be impossible to get good seats and you'll be jealous! Hell, look at me. I want to break up with the Clippers ... but what if they get LeBron and I miss out? I would regret it. Every minute. Every day. Sure, they have about as much of a chance of getting LeBron as I have of becoming the WNBA commissioner. Doesn't matter. I can't miss even the 3 percent chance that it might happen.

[seren]

Denver is not on the table. Walsh asked them what they want and they never responded. Walsh will not go them with a package unless Denver sits on the table. This just suggests me there won't be a trade attempt for Melo at all.

Sounds to me like they're betting everything on Melo staying thanks to Denver's projected regular season success as well as potential money loss from a new CBA.

We can keep criticizing Ujiri from not learning from getting Boshed last season. The thing is, from a FO perspective, this kind of makes sense. I mean, if you're the GM, and you decide to trade away your franchise player (who is a top 10 player in the league) for some young players with upside, you might as well be saying "Fire me, please." Not only does it look bad in terms of a value perspective, but it would hurt the franchise's image. At the very least, Melo puts butts in those seats at the Pepsi Center. They want to convince to the fans that Melo will stay, since one advantage would be renewed season tickets for next season, so more money in Stan's pocket.

I hate to quote Simmons, but he's kind of on point with his 'Illusion of Regret" concept:

That's where the illusion of regret comes in. A noncontender needs to convince its fans every spring, You better lock down another year of your seats, because if you don't, you're gonna miss out when we kick ass and make the playoffs and it's going to be impossible to get good seats and you'll be jealous! Hell, look at me. I want to break up with the Clippers ... but what if they get LeBron and I miss out? I would regret it. Every minute. Every day. Sure, they have about as much of a chance of getting LeBron as I have of becoming the WNBA commissioner. Doesn't matter. I can't miss even the 3 percent chance that it might happen.

Here is the problem that I have with Ujiri and where he needs to be criticized: He put Melo on the table. He still goes out of his way and states there are other teams to deal with when the Nets publicly announced they are out of the running. Ujiri had a great opportunity to make it all good. State that he is not trading for Melo and they are making a run for the playoffs. Stop messing around.

Look at the whole episode from Melo's side. Kobe publicly wanted out (Melo never did) and the GM pleaded him and started putting players around him. On the other hand, Denver management does not deal with any of their FAs. Nene is still on the air. KMart and JR are both FAs. There is a possibility Billups will be bought out. Essentially, they may blow up the whole thing even if Melo signs the extension. Why should Melo sign an extension with this much uncertainty surrounding the franchise?

[ctorres]

Come on Melo, wait this out!

We are so close to having a lineup like this:

Felton
Fields
Melo
Gallo
Amar'e

You think our offense is solid now? Damn, imagine it next season when you have Melo and Ama're attracting so much attention.

Having Felton, Fields, and Gallinari makes up 1/3 of a big three.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Hot off the presses!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2011 ... ed_of.html

NEW YORK — “Here’s what everyone is missing,” Donnie Walsh was saying an hour before tipoff, as he pondered the vagaries of trades and Knicks and the unspoken agent (name: Carmelo Anthony) that weaved those two talking points together in the latest NBA cacophony.

“In the end, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what everyone wants. It’s about what Denver wants to do. They’re in control of everything, whether people want to believe it or not. And I can’t tell you what they want, because I don’t know.”

It's obvious Denver won't actively engage the Knicks in trade talks in hopes that NJ returns to the trade talks for Melo.

[moocow007]

The Denver team is built around Anthony, constructed so as to minimize his weaknesses. The Knicks wouldn't be. It would be shades of the old Campy Russell-Toby Knight team...all offense, no defense - and little rebounding.

Come one now, I see what you mean but let's not get carried away. Campy Russel and Toby Knight weren't anywhere near the individual players that Melo and Stoudemire are. Russell and Knight both essentially were at the tail ends of their careers the 2 or so years they played together and neither guy was ever in the same category that Stoudemire and Melo were in terms of superstars in the league.

[djkinetic]

Come on Melo, wait this out!

We are so close to having a lineup like this:

Felton
Fields
Melo
Gallo
Amar'e

You think our offense is solid now? Damn, imagine it next season when you have Melo and Ama're attracting so much attention.

Having Felton, Fields, and Gallinari makes up 1/3 of a big three.

This lineup is still missing a quality starting C, or was i the only one to catch this lol

[KnickScoop]

can anyone recap BT on espnradio talking knicks when he is done?

[j4remi]

can anyone recap BT on espnradio talking knicks when he is done?

The whole show has been Knicks.

The most interesting thing so far is BT was talking about the teams that will compete with us for years to come "as is." He only sees the Heat staying as good. Thinks Chi won't last and can't add much more. Orlando has some older guys (namely, Hedo). Boston won't last. Hawks won't last. So we will be contenders by virtue of elimination. Idk about all that.

Also debate between Mac and BT about Deng vs Wil/Gallo...BT believes both our guys are better now, Mac doesn't. He thinks Deng is better .

[j4remi]

Haha, BT clipped a dude for not letting him speak and "having an annoying voice" ROFLMAO!

Mac gave props to Gallo for his D on Bron.

[knicksfan84]

Come on Melo, wait this out!

We are so close to having a lineup like this:

Felton
Fields
Melo
Gallo
Amar'e

You think our offense is solid now? Damn, imagine it next season when you have Melo and Ama're attracting so much attention.

Having Felton, Fields, and Gallinari makes up 1/3 of a big three.

That would be a good crunch time line-up. But I'd rather start a legit center and have Fields come off the bench. I think he could be a 6th man of the year type player

[Context]

I posted this in the Fields thread- thought it would be relevant here. Please give me your thoughts on this guys. I want to know if Fields play has changed anyone's point of view on the Melo situation...

Denver, this is what happens when you over play your hand. You best opportunity to get the most value from a Melo trade with the Knicks was directly after he refused to sign the extension. You arguably would have gotten AR, Fields, and (maybe Gallo), ability to send a bad contract to us, Curry, and a 1st rounder.

Now, as far as I'm concerned and 65% of this board- you will never get Fields, Gallo, or a be able to send us a bad contract. Why? Because I want to put Melo to the test. If he truly wants to be a Knick- DO NOT sign an extension and sign with us in the off-season. I don't care what ANYONE says Fields can become an all star in this league. If the guy had the chance and THE OFFENSE was run through him- you are trying to tell me that 2 years from now he couldn't accept, handle and deliver on the challenge? He continues to improve before our eyes. He has delivered as a 22 year old rookie on the big stage. This is were
our obsession to be unbiased Knick fans hamper our vision. What more does this kid(Fields) have to do to get our faith? Again, HE'S A 22 YEARS OLD ROOKIE! Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was the leading scorer on his team at Standford. He comes in the NBA and play like this?! And we have no faith?

Melo, tough it out for 3 months and sign with the Knicks outright. Come to a team where your addition will make us instant contenders. Then we can trade AR and Chandler for the big that we need. And if you really want to be smart Melo (ie, Wade, Bosh and Lebron) Talk to Nene and the two of you come to the Knicks -sign for less and get the word to Donnie some how-- and lets destroy the Boston, Miami and the Lakers... That's what I would do if I were in Melo's shoes.

[duetta]

[Come one now, I see what you mean but let's not get carried away. Campy Russel and Toby Knight weren't anywhere near the individual players that Melo and Stoudemire are. Russell and Knight both essentially were at the tail ends of their careers the 2 or so years they played together and neither guy was ever in the same category that Stoudemire and Melo were in terms of superstars in the league.

I almost lost interest in the team with that group. It was only Hubie and Bernard who brought me back. Obviously, Anthony and Amare are better than those two - but we're still not winning anything serious if we have to give up the farm to acquire a guy who says he wants to win, but really looks to want to get paid. And New Yorkers do not enjoy losing chuckfests. It's not in our blood.