So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[happypedro12]

You sir, are a voice of reason. Agreed here 10000%.

Truth and justice prevail

[WillyJakkz]

Man you can literally see the "eggshells" our guys play on on the court.

It's like they're thinking, "come off screen shoot the 3 just like coach wants".

I don't think its that at all. I think we shoot a ton of 3's because none of our players are the slasher triple action threat type of player. Who on our team can beat somebody off the dribble?? Jameer on occasion...JJ if he gets a really good screen. We don't have the players to run Iso's and most of our guys are 3 point shooters. You gotta work with what you got, so of course SVG wants them to do what they are best at.

First off offensively, my whole thing is "Run the offense through Dwight" made a thread about it, etc. cause big guy worked on his game hard enough to be that type of player now. This is a whole different topic in some ways.

I see our team having a ball when the 3's are falling and we're beating the hell outta a team, but when the 3's aren't falling, we play w/ a "What should I do now? Shoot more 3's cause that'll keep me in the game and not have coach yank me cause I didn't run the offense." mentality.

Big coaching problem to me.

And Larry Brown for all of his shortcomings is a great coach when he has a GREAT DEFENDER (Ben Wallace, Pistons Championship) and a GOOD PG that he taught to become GREAT (Chauncey Billups) and we've got 2, Jameer Nelson AND Gilbert Arenas (moreso Gilbert) who I have no doubt would learn more under Larry Brown than SVG.

You think Dwight plays incredible defense now, a guy like Larry Brown would have him looking like Mutombo/ Wallace rolled into one and plus w/ Dwight's offensive game being WAY BETTER than either of those guys...I don't even think it'd be fair.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Man you can literally see the "eggshells" our guys play on on the court.

It's like they're thinking, "come off screen shoot the 3 just like coach wants".

I don't think its that at all. I think we shoot a ton of 3's because none of our players are the slasher triple action threat type of player. Who on our team can beat somebody off the dribble?? Jameer on occasion...JJ if he gets a really good screen. We don't have the players to run Iso's and most of our guys are 3 point shooters. You gotta work with what you got, so of course SVG wants them to do what they are best at.

First off offensively, my whole thing is "Run the offense through Dwight" made a thread about it, etc. cause big guy worked on his game hard enough to be that type of player now. This is a whole different topic in some ways.

I see our team having a ball when the 3's are falling and we're beating the hell outta a team, but when the 3's aren't falling, we play w/ a "What should I do now? Shoot more 3's cause that'll keep me in the game and not have coach yank me cause I didn't run the offense." mentality.

Big coaching problem to me.

And Larry Brown for all of his shortcomings is a great coach when he has a GREAT DEFENDER (Ben Wallace, Pistons Championship) and a GOOD PG that he taught to become GREAT (Chauncey Billups) and we've got 2, Jameer Nelson AND Gilbert Arenas (moreso Gilbert) who I have no doubt would learn more under Larry Brown than SVG.

You think Dwight plays incredible defense now, a guy like Larry Brown would have him looking like Mutombo/ Wallace rolled into one and plus w/ Dwight's offensive game being WAY BETTER than either of those guys...I don't even think it'd be fair.

Plus Larry Brown would command respect. I doubt Dwight would be imitating Larry Brown.

[Redphilly]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night. Sometimes when things are not working (3 point shooting) you have to try different things and playing Clark is 1 of them;

[Hilltop]

Stan can lead a team to a Championship. Any coach can with the right personnel.

It would be nice if Stan was less stubborn sometimes or if he gave some of our players more room to operate. But honestly, even if he did, I'm still not sure we have enough pieces to win a title.

[MagicStarwipe]

It's the players.

[Dr Pepper]

What about the Magic's assistant coaches and supporting staff? It almost seems like SVG is working alone out there. I've been very disappointed in Ewing, imo Howard should have a consistent jumper by now and Pat knows the importance of having that in your arsenal. I also wonder if SVG and Otis were seeing eye to eye on the trades and contracts that have been made.

I'm surprised that SVG was able to keep his job after the recent playoffs especially after hearing the stuff that was said by some talking heads: Chris Webber was on the Dan Patrick show saying how the Magic players were basically fed up with SVG in the summer and that he was on his way out. Michael Wilbon said the same thing too IIRC.

I don't like how SVG tried to implement a rusty Nelson in the Finals, hated how he's used Shard, and I'm just not a fan of his offense. I also hate it when SVG tries to talk smack to the media and the fact that he's been called the 'master of panic' by a former franchise big and that today's franchise big has called out SVG for things like not enough touches, being too negative, etc.

That said I think its probably too late to get another coach and I don't think the Orlando ownership is too keen on shaking up the suits (Otis Smith's tenure anyone?). Orlando ownership has also spent a whole lot of money already and if SVG was fired they'd be paying for a guy's extended vacation. It ultimately rests on Dwight and what he is thinking next season when it comes to SVG and the Magic's future.

[Cammo101]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night.

Not sure if serious?

Clark, who I like, could not get off the bench in freaking Phoenix. What makes anyone think he is good enough right now to be a rotation player for us? This board's infatuation with Earl Clark is just scary.

[Hilltop]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night.

Not sure if serious?

Clark, who I like, could not get off the bench in freaking Phoenix. What makes anyone think he is good enough right now to be a rotation player for us? This board's infatuation with Earl Clark is just scary.

As was mentioned in the GT, the dude is the new Brandon Bass. But it's even worse this time, because Black was getting the MLE and was a much more proven player.

[CraZyPraiZ]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night.

Not sure if serious?

Clark, who I like, could not get off the bench in freaking Phoenix. What makes anyone think he is good enough right now to be a rotation player for us? This board's infatuation with Earl Clark is just scary.

The same people that new Hedo could turn it around. Have you not seen the kid when he's on the floor?

[WillyJakkz]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night. Sometimes when things are not working (3 point shooting) you have to try different things and playing Clark is 1 of them;

Q-Rich got PT last nite because he's from Chicago.

That was Stan looking out for him so I ain't mad at that.

Or maybe Q-Rich was being showcased lol.

[Cammo101]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night. Sometimes when things are not working (3 point shooting) you have to try different things and playing Clark is 1 of them;

Q-Rich got PT last nite because he's from Chicago.

That was Stan looking out for him so I ain't mad at that.

Or maybe Q-Rich was being showcased lol.

Or maybe we were trying to use our best wing defender to slow down a hot SF in Deng. That seems slightly more reasonable.

[jezzer45]

When you have a team full of shooters who can hit the 3 ball consistently you let them shoot it. But when the 3 is not falling what do you do?, stop them from shooting 3's, which is one reason why this team never really gets blown out and never really out of a game, or do you have them cut and slash to the hoop, in which no one does, or post up dwight which he will get his but no one else? I like the players on this team and feel they can go far in the playoffs, but there is so much parody in what guys do: jameer and gil play the same game, jrich and jj basically have the same game offensively, There is really no legit back up 3 for hedo to compare, and the only two who seem to have a perfect ying and yang is bass and anderson. So to sum it up he is doing the best with what he has.

[Bergmaniac]

Earl Clark is not the saviour, guys. He's not even a good defender from what I've seen since he came here, he got lost on rotations all the time and his man to man defence was mediocre.

[WillyJakkz]

As long he's not playing Clark he's not a championship coach. Why is he not giving this guy a chance. Even Q-Rich got PT last night. Sometimes when things are not working (3 point shooting) you have to try different things and playing Clark is 1 of them;

Q-Rich got PT last nite because he's from Chicago.

That was Stan looking out for him so I ain't mad at that.

Or maybe Q-Rich was being showcased lol.

Or maybe we were trying to use our best wing defender to slow down a hot SF in Deng. That seems slightly more reasonable.

Do you really think Deng was that damn hot I mean damn, he had 28 pts.

You'd think he was going off like Kevin Durant scoring 40+ on us last night.

Dwight had 40 so what's your point?

A dude who has mad DNPCD's all of a sudden plays in his hometown but you think it's "slightly more reasonable" that he was put in the game just to shut/ slow down Luol Deng instead of Stan letting him play in front of his peeps.

Individual thought is cool!

[maginno]

Seriously,

I'm gonna continue to be real about the coaching situation cause really, real talk, realistically...S

Want to talk seriously? Good cause my cup runneth over with this nonsense Jak. Theres a bunch of you non stop whiners that every solution comes down to Stan and when that doesn't work every loss comes down to the refs.

Heres why its Stan's fault. The REAL reason. The coaching position is the only scapegoat piece you have left. You can't always trade a player and get back a better piece. You can't blame the team or you would have none and you can't harp on the GM well because all he can do is trade which brings you back to point one.

So a couple questions to the normal whining crowd?

WHERE IS THE GO TO THE BASKET GUY ON THIS TEAM? You whine about too many threes and in the same breath you say let them do their thing. Often THAT IS THEIR thing geniuses. We brought carter in to take it to the rack but he wimped out and not a single person on our roster has ever been even half as good as carter WAS taking it to the basket. Hedo does it in a crunch and I believe so will Jrich but thats not their normal game and if you think that hedo is going to start doing that as a routine at this part of the season then I'll sell you a pizza for five buck just send it to my Paypal address (illtakeyourmoney@gmail.com) and it will be right over.

To listen to some of you whiny come late Nba "fans" you would believe that Stan says " hey if you see an opening that you can take then ignore it and shoot the three. "

Pathetic logic. You just can't bare to recognize that the team is not filled with allstars and has practically no guy that can night in night out break down the defense and take it to the rack (go ahead and try if I am lying so I can have a good laugh with the name you put up). You hearken back to Jameer's nod a few years back for a half a season's work which he has never reclaimed. Many of you thought Rashard was still an all star until this season and you now think Phoenix just handed you Jrich for little more than an expiring because they liked us and wanted to see us win a ring. and then until last night most of you were whining that Stan is holding the team back because Arenas is ready to go and he won't start him

You make these drop down incredibly ridiculous statements that you wouldn't take any player Boston has over what we have (thats right - in another thread that was actually said)

You are in denial. When the whole world sees that its a very slim possibility that this team can get past Boston, then by (or) Miami and then take out LA you fantasize in the ultimate homer fantasy that if you can just remove the one piece thats easy to replace it will all fall into place. and heres the kicker second question

WHO IS THAT OTHER COACH THAT IS AVAILABLE?

Seriously? Keepin it real like you said? Right? Why do crickets chirp every time that question is asked. Did someone actually say Larry brown? At least thats a try at answering it but its of course a fail. the main I hate Stan he's our problem guys never give a name because they know its all hot air and the name will not make the Magic better than LA or Miami.

Third bonus question. Lose a few games its ALL Stan's fault. So who was responsible for the nine game win streak and where were you vacationing then? Aruba?

[craig01]

Stan can lead a team to a Championship. Any coach can with the right personnel.

It would be nice if Stan was less stubborn sometimes or if he gave some of our players more room to operate. But honestly, even if he did, I'm still not sure we have enough pieces to win a title.

At this point it's becoming obvious that the magic do not have the working pieces.

It is frustrating for me to watch Richardson just become an arc decoy as I think he can do much more than his role has been.

Arenas has been awful, Hedo inconsistent, and the lack of fundamentally sound execution on both ends of the floor poor at times.

The cause?

Fresh faces, lack of cohesion on defense, lack of discipline on offense, few attempts at attacking the defense with options other than Howard. The opponents rim is an often times lonely soldier in many Magic games.

The fix?

Time will cure some of these ills, but IMO, the roster still may not have enough juice in forging a consistent identity in becoming a viable championship contender.

[maginno]

A dude who has mad DNPCD's all of a sudden plays in his hometown but you think it's "slightly more reasonable" that he was put in the game just to shut/ slow down Luol Deng instead of Stan letting him play in front of his peeps.

Individual thought is cool!

and would individual thought make you conclude that any time Q- rich gets time its because he peeps in the house? Come on thats not thought thats just a bumbling guess on your part.

[vc4three]

Of course he isn't a championship coach I'm as big a Magic fan as any. I was born and raised in Orlando. I know a good coach when I see one. Do you want to know why Doc Rivers is a good coach? Because plays like that 3 that Hedo took. Even if it was Paul Pierce that took that shot he would be all in his ass. 'Hero Ball' instead of trusting in your teammates. Howard is having a monster game and instead you chuck a 3. SMH we will never get anywhere far with this guy as our coach. Screw the regular season. He needs to let these guys figure out how their going to win on their own. Stop micro managing and start Arenas. Did Doc pull Rondo out everytime he made a mistake? And I watched early on, the dude made A LOT of mistakes.

[Sugar Cane]

Seriously,

I'm gonna continue to be real about the coaching situation cause really, real talk, realistically...S

Want to talk seriously? Good cause my cup runneth over with this nonsense Jak. Theres a bunch of you non stop whiners that every solution comes down to Stan and when that doesn't work every loss comes down to the refs.

Heres why its Stan's fault. The REAL reason. The coaching position is the only scapegoat piece you have left. You can't always trade a player and get back a better piece. You can't blame the team or you would have none and you can't harp on the GM well because all he can do is trade which brings you back to point one.

So a couple questions to the normal whining crowd?

WHERE IS THE GO TO THE BASKET GUY ON THIS TEAM? You whine about too many threes and in the same breath you say let them do their thing. Often THAT IS THEIR thing geniuses. We brought carter in to take it to the rack but he wimped out and not a single person on our roster has ever been even half as good as carter WAS taking it to the basket. Hedo does it in a crunch and I believe so will Jrich but thats not their normal game and if you think that hedo is going to start doing that as a routine at this part of the season then I'll sell you a pizza for five buck just send it to my Paypal address (illtakeyourmoney@gmail.com) and it will be right over.

To listen to some of you whiny come late Nba "fans" you would believe that Stan says " hey if you see an opening that you can take then ignore it and shoot the three. "

Pathetic logic. You just can't bare to recognize that the team is not filled with allstars and has practically no guy that can night in night out break down the defense and take it to the rack (go ahead and try if I am lying so I can have a good laugh with the name you put up). You hearken back to Jameer's nod a few years back for a half a season's work which he has never reclaimed. Many of you thought Rashard was still an all star until this season and you now think Phoenix just handed you Jrich for little more than an expiring because they liked us and wanted to see us win a ring. and then until last night most of you were whining that Stan is holding the team back because Arenas is ready to go and he won't start him

You make these drop down incredibly ridiculous statements that you wouldn't take any player Boston has over what we have (thats right - in another thread that was actually said)

You are in denial. When the whole world sees that its a very slim possibility that this team can get past Boston, then by (or) Miami and then take out LA you fantasize in the ultimate homer fantasy that if you can just remove the one piece thats easy to replace it will all fall into place. and heres the kicker second question

WHO IS THAT OTHER COACH THAT IS AVAILABLE?

Seriously? Keepin it real like you said? Right? Why do crickets chirp every time that question is asked. Did someone actually say Larry brown? At least thats a try at answering it but its of course a fail. the main I hate Stan he's our problem guys never give a name because they know its all hot air and the name will not make the Magic better than LA or Miami.

Third bonus question. Lose a few games its ALL Stan's fault. So who was responsible for the nine game win streak and where were you vacationing then? Aruba?

^^^ Church!!!

Let WJ tell it, Stan tells the players in each time out..."Hey, I'd love it if you chuck more 3's, give me more please!"

The logic used to say how awful SVG is is pathetic. But some people can't be made happy, and most of our fans have turned that way. I get disappointed watching us play at times too, then I remember how much I literally cried during a 19 game losing streak and when mediocre was the best we could do. I have to say the past few years have spoiled us all...some more than others. Expectations are high here and that's good...but SVG and his awful system is a big reason for that.