So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[maginno]

At this point it's becoming obvious that the magic do not have the working pieces.

This and what seems to be missed is that was EXACTLY what the gamble of Arenas was all about. Otis as much as said it when he relayed what he told Arenas a few weeks back. "I just want to see some flashes now". So the idea of the gamble was just maybe we get back the near allstar player that once was and that puts us over the top. Yet in complete opposition to what Otis already said many on this board called for Stan's head for not starting him now when management indicated they didn't want or expect that.

A renewed Arenas by the end of the season was always the only way we were looking to really compete against the likes of Miami.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Seriously,


Third bonus question. Lose a few games its ALL Stan's fault. So who was responsible for the nine game win streak and where were you vacationing then? Aruba?

Could it be that they were playing to their strengths and not Stan'ss system?

[Cammo101]

This thread is getting dumber by the minute. You simplay can not argue with people so dillusional as to think QRich was playing cause he had homies in the house and the Magic would be great, if only we played a guy who couldn't crack the rotation in Phoenix.

I'm going to go ahead and hit eject on this thread while I still have some brain cells intact.

[maginno]

Of course he isn't a championship coach I'm as big a Magic fan as any.

and the VC in the username tells us all I expect every VC fan to hate Stan. its the only way they can really continue to be a VC fan. Anyway I can help you out. down a couple letters and hang a right. takes you right to the Phoenix board.

[Neato]

I don't know enough about coaching to evaluate whether Stan is a championship coach. However, I do not think he should be singled out. The players need to be held accountable for their awful play. We've had several games where multiple key players were ice cold, turned the ball over like crazy, or performed poorly in other areas. In addition, we have players admitting that they are playing as if there were an on/off switch related to their effort. I mean, who says that in their jobs? Next time I'll see my employer's reaction when I tell them I have this "effort switch" that I only turn on when I feel like it.

[maginno]

Could it be that they were playing to their strengths and not Stan'ss system?

see how silly the logic gets? So for 9 games they shut Stan up in a closet because if not for the space of nine games that same coach that won't allow them to play to their strength allowed them too. Say that nonsense for a couple games before we had practices but NINE???

[vc4three]

Of course he isn't a championship coach I'm as big a Magic fan as any.

and the VC in the username tells us all I expect every VC fan to hate Stan. its the only way they can really continue to be a VC fan. Anyway I can help you out. down a couple letters and hang a right. takes you right to the Phoenix board.

No I'm not a true VC fan I truly could care less about the guy. I was excited when we made the trade and the guy sucked. Don't care for the numbers or anything else. I'm a Magic fan before anything else, and a Tracy fan after that. This username means absolutely nothing to me

[Adonis]

getting tired of people saying "stan can't force guys to hit shots"

yea but he can force them to get into the post and cut to the basket if he ran a traditional system and ran some damn plays.

[WillyJakkz]

Seriously,

I'm gonna continue to be real about the coaching situation cause really, real talk, realistically...S

Want to talk seriously? Good cause my cup runneth over with JOCK.

Fixed and this should be your avy.

[vc4three]

getting tired of people saying "stan can't force guys to hit shots"

yea but he can force them to get into the post and cut to the basket if he ran a traditional system and ran some damn plays.

Stans 'system' encourages Hero Ball.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Panic thread. ...Happends after every loss.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Could it be that they were playing to their strengths and not Stan's system?

see how silly the logic gets? So for 9 games they shut Stan up in a closet because if not for the space of nine games that same coach that won't allow them to play to their strength allowed them too. Say that nonsense for a couple games before we had practices but NINE???

Nope they did not shut him up in a closet. Stan said that they basically played with very few plays and not really knowing his defensive rotations so they were more or less winging it. Look SVG is a control freak. Do something wrong as a player unless it's D12 or Jameer and you get hooked. I like Stan, just starting to doubt that his style is right for the team. I have no suggestions as to who might be better.

[happypedro12]

yea but he can force them to get into the post and cut to the basket if he ran a traditional system and ran some damn plays.

Yep, Stan has no plays. In fact pretty much every coach in professional sports just says "hey go out there and just wing it." What are you people smoking. Who do you want posting up besides dwight? There isn't anyone on our team that is a good post up player besides dwight. Everyone acts as though these are a bunch of rec players at some local gym, its the NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION. The best of the best, with honors. Everyone knows how to run a zone, everyone knows when to cut to the basket, everyone can understand a box-1 and a fullcourt press. Please stop posting things as though SVG just picked up a coaching for dummy manual. Do you expect us to win 72 games? we're going to lose, there are other really good teams with good players on them (Chi for example). Sometimes they have better matchups, sometimes the shots fall, and sometimes they don't. Its the coaches job to keep the ship steady and keep enforcing his principles such as defense and intensity. This topic of is he a championship coach is, for a lack of a better term, stupid.

[craig01]

Panic thread. ...Happends after every loss.

Seen this once or twice before.

[MickaelPietrus]

Said it about five times this season, and maybe ten times last year.

Stan is not a championship coach with his lack of adjustments (Boston series), his modified 2-3 zone defense which leads to open 3's, his "trust" in Jameer taking hero shots (which are 50/50 balls), him being a stubborn ass.

People say that Stan is only credited for a loss and never for a win, when in fact this team's talent and Dwight Howard alone can become a 60 win team under any other top 10 coach not named Van Gundy.

[AdamTheGreek]

Available Coach: Larry Brown (and that's just one name).

So you want to replace one intense micro-manager with an even more intense micro-manager?

Seriously.

Get a **** clue people. Stop bitching for the sake of bitching.

The OP makes no sense in his requests. Let Hedo play like Hedo, let Gilbert 'gun', let J-Rich be himself.
STAN IS! Hedo is arguably better than he's ever been. Gilbert is 'gunning' and not making shots. J-Rich has played damn well overall with a few 'off shooting' nights sprinkled in between. It's basketball, it happens.

What do you want this to be, streetball or something? Would you rather we become Phoenix or Golden State and abandon any and all types of defense? Coaching is systematic, get over it and deal with it. If you can't, then don't watch games.

People say we focus too much on 3-pointers, etc. WELL WHAT THE **** HAVE BOSTON AND L.A. DONE TO WIN THEIR TITLES?! Shoot 100 shots inside the paint? Hell no. They've won because they were hot enough to maintain good 3-point shooting.
Our defense is as good if not better than any team in the league (When we're focused, which we are in the playoffs). It's all about converting on your offensive plays and draining the shots that got you there.

AND YES, YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER COACHING OPTION THAN THE BEST ONE THIS FRANCHISE HAS EVER HAD!




All coaches have moments and instances that they would like to have back when it comes to games, play calling, rotations, substitutions, etc. Stan is the only one who admits them openly to the media. You don't see coaches being as open about their flaws as Stan is.

[maginno]

Seriously,

I'm gonna continue to be real about the coaching situation cause really, real talk, realistically...S

Want to talk seriously? Good cause my cup runneth over with JOCK.

Fixed

Thanks Willy. Honestly. You just summed up the "deep" thinking of those who take your position better than I could.

[maginno]

Nope they did not shut him up in a closet. Stan said that they basically played with very few plays and not really knowing his defensive rotations so they were more or less winging it.

Applied ot the first games not the whole nine game streak but nice try.

I have no suggestions as to who might be better.

Like I said - crickets chirping.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Nope they did not shut him up in a closet. Stan said that they basically played with very few plays and not really knowing his defensive rotations so they were more or less winging it.

Applied ot the first games not the whole nine game streak but nice try.

I have no suggestions as to who might be better.

Like I said - crickets chirping.

You'll never win this argument.
Our streak started on December 23rd and we had 5 in a row by Dec 30th. No time for practice.
We then have a few days off from the end of the year till the 3rd where we proceeded to win 4 more in a row in a span of 6 days. Since "learning" the system we have gone from an exciting team that had everyone drooling and excited and saying things like "can't wait till we jell" to a team that is back to walking the ball up court and trying to run a half court offense and playing uninspiring basketball. You really think it's the players?

[SolidSnake008]

I sort of agree with the OP....I think Stan is a great coach and he should be our coach but there are just things he does i don't understand.....When he first got here he found a system that worked and was successful and decided to stick with it and along with that we picked up some bad habits as a team....Like it or not we are a "live by the 3 die by the 3 team" and it's obvious at this point because when the 3 isn't falling we become unable to do anything else and IMO that starts with Stan....

Any laymen can look at the Boston series and see that in our defeat one thing was evident that we couldn't score.....Our defense in that series wasn't the problem because we were playing man to man and it was a Stone cold Solid Defense.....I find it REALLY ODD that Stan decides to put more work into changing the way we defend than our utterly predictable offense....You would think you'd learn something from getting thoroughly out-coached in that series...

Stan's stubbornness knows no bound because i feel like he's trying to force the system onto people instead of crafting it around your talent....He created cookie cutter roles for everybody to fit but the problem is we have players that are capable of more than Stan is allowing them to do....The ongoing trend is great players coming here having to drastically change their game to fit the system

I hate to use this example but look at Vince....when Otis signed him it was the intent for him to be essentially Vince...Now he wasn't what he used to be but at the time he wasn't even a year removed from averaging 20 5 and 5....Notice in his early games when he came here and was getting used to the offense and didn't know all the plays he was great....he was in his element so to speak but as soon as Stan got a hold of him his game started to change from a dynamic player who can do a lot of things to essentially a spot-up shooter.....Now i'm not saying vince doesn't deserves some blame because imo he settled way too much when he was here but i just can't help but feel he could of been used better

Same thing with Shard every year since he's been here he's got worse and worse and was changed from someone who could make an impact into a Spot-up shooter.....If anyone watched any Film on Jason Richardson then you'd know he's more than just a shooter...the guy can slash to the basket and has enough athleticism to finish but almost every shot he takes is a 3 pointer....Gilbert is really bad right now but it's obvious to see that he is not in his element because he isn't a True PG but Stan is trying to force him to play the cookie cutter role he's layed out for him

If we played a more consistent defense then maybe this argument is moot but sometimes there is just too many coincidences...too many things that don't add up and a lot of it leads back to Stan....This whole situation sucks because i like Stan and i want him to be our coach but it's one of those things....It's like you got married to your significant other and a few years later you find out some unsavory things about your partner you didn't know before....but you're married so you have to live with it i guess