Mo Williams

[TheKingLivesOn]

• Cleveland Trades: Mo Williams (and maybe some cash)
• Atlanta Trades: Mike Bibby, Maurice Evans, and 2014 1st Round Pick (Atlanta)
Reasons:
1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Get a 1st Round Pick.
2. Atlanta Hawks: Get a Point Guard they have been rumored to covet for a while. He can spread the floor exceptionally well, is much younger than Bibby and although not a great defender, Mo is still a major upgrade on the defensive end over Bibby.

What do you guys think?

[Jamaaliver]

I'd be open to that. Mo Williams has had some pretty big games and hit some pretty big shots in his time.

Make the 1st round pick from ATL this years (it'll be in the twenties and the last thing we need is more youth.)
And throw in afuture second round pick from CLE (let's say next year's.)

Though, I'd miss Bibby's leadership and three point shooting. He's hit some bigshots for us this year, too. But his defense is atrocious.

[evildallas]

Oh god, NO! Just my opinion but Mo Williams would be a step backward at PG (I'm not a fan). We'd be going from Bibby in a hot year to Williams in an ice cold year. Furthermore, Williams doesn't excel at D. Bibby sucks at D because of his lack of mobility at this point in his career, but that really only comes into play as a consideration when talking about a good defender in return. Players like Mo Williams, Jose Calderon, and Steve Nash are either lateral moves defensively or just aren't enough of an improvement to change anything on the court. Given the salary and years on Mo Williams, I'd rather go after Calderon or stand pat.

[parson]

Mo Williams' "ice cold year" is a product of no longer playing with LBJ. I don't think he'll ever be that player again -- and "that player" was barely tolerable. The present version stinks, is overpaid and ...

... and I've never really liked him, to tell the truth.

[dms269]

I don't like the idea of giving up a 1st for Mo.

He is solid but is not a great player.

basically, everything evildallas said...I agree with.

[TheKingLivesOn]

Mo Williams' "ice cold year" is a product of no longer playing with LBJ. I don't think he'll ever be that player again -- and "that player" was barely tolerable. The present version stinks, is overpaid and ...

... and I've never really liked him, to tell the truth.

Yes, Williams' last year production was primarily a product of him being the 2nd/3rd option behind Lebron. But you fail to understand thats what he would be in Atlanta as well! A secondary option behind Johnson, Horford, and Crawford. Clearly, he is not suited to being a primary option as witnessed by his performance this year. But in Atlanta, he wont have to be that. Williams can spread the floor for the other teammates, is a better passer (currently), and although not a great defender, he would still be a major upgrade over Bibby. He is also very capable of playing off the ball (like Bibby) and can hit big shots (like Bibby at times). Overall, Williams can do everything Bibby can and can do a lot of things better and is younger and in his prime. The difference between Bibby and Williams is a mid-to-late 1st Round Pick at the very LEAST even when considering their contracts.

[parson]

Mo Williams is NOT a better passer. He's a SG in a PG's body. Bibby may be finished, he may be old but he is the playmaker that Williams will never be. And Bibby is a far superior shooter.

All Williams gives us is younger legs and a better source of Midol ... and for almost double the price.

YOU want to be rid of WIlliams. We want a true PG or Center. If we simply wanted younger legs in a SG running the offense, we'd just go fulltime with Jamal Crawford at the point.

[TheKingLivesOn]

Mo Williams is NOT a better passer. He's a SG in a PG's body. Bibby may be finished, he may be old but he is the playmaker that Williams will never be. And Bibby is a far superior shooter.

All Williams gives us is younger legs and a better source of Midol ... and for almost double the price.

YOU want to be rid of WIlliams. We want a true PG or Center. If we simply wanted younger legs in a SG running the offense, we'd just go fulltime with Jamal Crawford at the point.

Lets get a few things clear.
1. The cavs dont WANT to get rid of Williams just for kicks. We want young prospects/draft picks since we arent going to be contending for a few years.
2. He IS a better passer as of today. Yes, Bibby has been a good passer for his career but has been in severe decline for the past few years. He averaged 3.9 assists last year and is averaging 3.7 assists this year. Whereas, Mo Williams (The sg in pg body?) averaged 5.3 assists last year and is averaging 7.1 assists this year. Dont give me the "well Bibby doesnt handle the ball as much with Joe Johnson around" excuse because Mo was with Lebron (who handles the ball significantly more than Joe) and still averaged more assists than Bibby. I understand that assists arent a complete reflection of how good of a passer you are and I am not a blind stat junkie who will base an entire argument on purely stats. But, Williams passes both the eye test and the stat test in terms of passing ability. Fact is, both are sgs playing in a pg's body.. Mo just does a better job of it.
3. Yes, Bibby might be a better 3 point shooter than Williams but Williams is still a better overall shooter and more capable offensively. The past 2 years (playing as a secondary option), Mo Williams had fg% of .467 and .442 whereas Bibby had fg% of .435 and .416. Williams also gets to the line at a slightly higher rate and converts at a higher rate as well.
4. Mo is also a significantly better mover off the ball and that is a very underrated ability (just watch Ray Allen) Not saying Mo is as good of a mover as Ray Allen but he does move very well and can be a major contributor coming off the screens. Imagine having 2 great shooters (Crawford being the other) with the ability to come off of screens and let it fly. That would be a dangerous offense.

Get your facts straight before talking. Its fine if you dont want him because of personal bias against him/for Bibby, etc.. But to say that the only thing better about him is that he is younger than Bibby, is borderline insane.

[parson]

Get your facts straight before talking.

Tell me Mo Williams has EVER been considered a playmaker. Passing the ball around the perimeter until someone makes a shot garners an assist, but it aint playmaking. Mo Williams is a jumpshooter trying to play Point. It's true that Bibby made his reputation shooting but he knows how to run an offense. Williams does not.

As for your shooting comparisons, better look again.

Williams is younger, just as poor defensively (I'll grant that Bibby tires out faster, nowadays), is a poorer shooter - both from the 3 and all around, AND COMES AT ALMOST DOUBLE THE COST.

[TheKingLivesOn]

Get your facts straight before talking.

Tell me Mo Williams has EVER been considered a playmaker. Passing the ball around the perimeter until someone makes a shot garners an assist, but it aint playmaking. Mo Williams is a jumpshooter trying to play Point. It's true that Bibby made his reputation shooting but he knows how to run an offense. Williams does not.

As for your shooting comparisons, better look again.

Williams is younger, just as poor defensively (I'll grant that Bibby tires out faster, nowadays), is a poorer shooter - both from the 3 and all around, AND COMES AT ALMOST DOUBLE THE COST.

Thats your argument? "Tell me if Mo Williams has ever been considered a playmaker?" and Mo is a "poorer" shooter. In their primes, yes, Bibby was significantly better. He was a better playmaker, better shooter, better leader, etc. But this isnt 2004! He is old, terrible defender, lazy, and takes plays off (on both offense and defense). And I suggest YOU look at the shooting comparisons again because all the stats I mentioned were absolutely 100% correct. And Mo is a better playmaker TODAY. Agreed, sometimes using assists as the only factor for judging the passing ability of a player is incorrect. However, you dont get to 7.1 assists as the primary playmaker by "passing the ball around the perimeter until someone makes a shot". Mo isnt the ideal player to "run an offense" but he does a remarkably better job than Bibby. And "just as poor defensively?" Wow... You definitely just lost ALL credibility with that statement!! (if you hadnt before after saying "poorer!!") Either you have never seen Bibby play defense, havent seen Williams play defense, or you're medically blind (in which case im sorry for you lol since watching Bibby "try" to defend is actually quite comical)

[azuresou1]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2011

Summary: Bibby is a far better shooter and turns the ball over less, and gets utilized significantly less, while Mo Williams garners far more assists. Both suck at rebounding and defense.

Mo Williams is still a better player but I would rather have Bibby with his small short-term contract than Mo with his bigger longer contract, much less giving up a pick as well. Mo Evans is whatever, but he's a serviceable player for this season as well.

[parson]

TheKingLivesOn(in Miami),
In other sports, a playmaker is a guy who makes plays for himself. But in basketball, a playmaker is a point guard who sets up his teammates. He makes_the_play_work, get it?
As for defense, Williams' opponent PER is 23.5 (average is 15). 23.5 is kinda, you know, ... bad.
As for "poorer" - in about 30 seconds you're going to wish you hadn't made that insult (hint, hint: online dictionaries).