So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[bigpimpatl]

This claim that Stan's system involves just shooting threes is total uninformed hogwash.

+1

i'm glad you brought up the other points too. Who cares we don't win the division, get the top seed, or any of that other stuff. We did all that stuff last year and we didn't end up any better for it.

[tiderulz]

i wonder why pietrus got benched in phoenix, maybe because of the dumb three's he was taking which in orlando's offense its ok, even though pietrus is taking less 3's with the suns than he did orlando, rasahrd is taking less with washington than orlando, jrich is taking more with orlando than phoenix, its not a coincidence,

Good night man learn some Bball. Of course it not pure coincidence. Its Dwight. Sheeesh captain obvious. teams with dominant centers always tend to have more open outside shots. Pietrus got benched here too because he thinks he's Jordan without the moves to pull off the craziness. So all your observations show is that players with Dwight have more open looks from outside. THE WHOLE NBA KNOWS THAT.

LA has Gasol and Bynum, they dont shoot as many 3 ptrs. I dont remember San Antonio shooting that many 3 ptrs on their title years either.

[WillyJakkz]

Maginno I still see you're talkin' loud but ain't sayin' nothin' (as are alot of you guys Cammo comes to mind)..

No answer to the questions noted. Rackin up the dodge and weaves. Or were you trying to say jrich meets the bill and should be used as a post up player on regular basis. Not his game - fail.

So basically

"I have no idea. You've proven your point Maginno"

And I'm stupid because YOU can't answer the question. you are ...hilarious

What's funny is as a Magic/ NBA fan I watch these games on the regular and I know how guys play but you as a Magic fan for some strange reason wants "me" to tell "you" who else on the team can drive, etc. besides Hedo.

I mean, really...shouldn't you know this already if you're a fan as you say?

Magoo, you, smallpimp, and Cammy are in the wrong thread. This thread is about Basketball not Baseketball.

Y'all are the Three Blind Mice of The Magic Board.

[maginno]

LA has Gasol and Bynum, they dont shoot as many 3 ptrs. I dont remember San Antonio shooting that many 3 ptrs on their title years either.

Apples and Oranges. The observation I was respond to has to do with why some players come here and get more outsides shots and leave and don't. it wasn't anything to do with how many shots all championship teams take. You are off point .

On to your point - of course because both teams had and have players that can take it to the rack with consistency. Might have heard of a guy named Kobe. Manu was no slouch either. I don't believe a championship level team should rely on threes either but thats a problem with the roster. Its asinine to claim that Stan has a system of shooting threes and not driving the basket when he started out and won with Wade in his rookie year before there was any Shaq. guess what? It wasn't on the back of threes.

[WillyJakkz]

LA has Gasol and Bynum, they dont shoot as many 3 ptrs. I dont remember San Antonio shooting that many 3 ptrs on their title years either.

Apples and Oranges. The observation I was respond to has to do with why some players come here and get more outsides shots and leave and don't. it wasn't anything to do with how many shots all championship teams take. You are off point .

On to your point - of course because both teams had and have players that can take it to the rack with consistency. Might have heard of a guy named Kobe. Manu was no slouch either. I don't believe a championship level team should rely on threes either but thats a problem with the roster. Its asinine to claim that Stan has a system of shooting threes and not driving the basket when he started out and won with Wade in his rookie year before there was any Shaq. guess what? It wasn't on the back of threes.

Apples and Oranges...great now I wanna snack.

Anyway,

Why is it that Vince Carter (for the sake of this argument) went COMPLETELY into "shoot the three" mode when he got "acclimated" to Stan's offense?

Same w/ J-Rich, he changed from a SCORER to more of a SHOOTER going from GS-Charlotte to Phoenix but soon as he gets here, spot up 3PT shooter.

Gilbert was trying to go to the hole in Washington this year when Wall got injured (and before) but he gets here....shoot the 3 or come off the screen and pullup J trains all day.

System man.

[maginno]

What's funny is as a Magic/ NBA fan I watch these games on the regular and I know how guys play but you as a Magic fan for some strange reason wants "me" to tell "you" who else on the team can drive, etc. besides Hedo.

I mean, really...shouldn't you know this already if you're a fan as you say?

Bleeeeerp! wrong answer. Already stated that trying to skirt the issue counts as

""I have no idea. You've proven your point Maginno"

Thats three times you've dodged. Just answer the question. everybody knows why you aren't. and don't try and change the question to who can drive. My goodness you could say JJ at that rate. heres the question

AGAIN.


Who on this team has Driving to the basket as a main part of their game besides Hedo? and who is the available coach that will be reasonably sure to deliver a ring?

Someone else tried Brown but that was a miserable claim. he has bombed out recently and even had player issues.

Want to go for four no answers? feel free

[maginno]

Why is it that Vince Carter (for the sake of this argument) went COMPLETELY into "shoot the three" mode when he got "acclimated" to Stan's offense?

thats funny . Two nights ago Carter lifted 8 of them in Phoenix. Was Stan guest coaching over there? When you look at the game logs theres really not that big difference. He's still launching up the threes. The knock on Carter before he ever came here is that he'd been favoring the outsdie shot over taking it to the rack. point failed

Same w/ J-Rich, he changed from a SCORER to more of a SHOOTER going from GS-Charlotte to Phoenix but soon as he gets here, spot up 3PT shooter.

Again look over game logs and you will see many games where Jrich heaved up the threes. He's been with us too short a time to claim a note difference.

Gilbert was trying to go to the hole in Washington this year when Wall got injured (and before) but he gets here....shoot the 3 or come off the screen and pullup J trains all day.

Pure garbage. Arenas was launching threes before he ever came here. He has like one game with us where he hoisted up more than six and he did it several times with Washington. Stop trying to make up facts to fool people. You will be called on it.

And yet still no answer to the questions. I wonder why?

[magicman123]

In short there is no point to be made about being a team that slashes to the basket until you have players that not only can but do

it doesn't require michael jordan or michael vick to get players moving, even stan can slash (not saying with the ball because we are limited with a few)..maybe the system doesn't require a lot of movement and cutting?

So all your observations show is that players with Dwight have more open looks from outside. THE WHOLE NBA KNOWS THAT

once again im saying the offense often lacks CREATIVITY...ill never say im the smartest person on these forums, or i have a better basketball IQ than so and so, but your exactly right, my observation is that we get many looks from outside and we heavily rely on the 3, name me one other team that takes 32% of its shots from 3?, what happens when we don't get those open looks? that's the problem (wait that might be a dumb statement, because your gonna come back with well what other team has a dwight howard)

He often though settled for the jump shot.

exactly as does almost every player on the team, all my argument is wanting to see more creativity and you can still do that with this team, you can still move without the ball, you can still push the tempo, you can still do etc, im not calling for anybody to be fired

[bigpimpatl]

Who on this team has Driving to the basket as a main part of their game besides Hedo? and who is the available coach that will be reasonably sure to deliver a ring?

Someone else tried Brown but that was a miserable claim. he has bombed out recently and even had player issues.

Want to go for four no answers? feel free

just answer the damn question willyjakkz. Stop running and start typing. Oh wait, I already know your response: hey bigpimp, you should change your name to smallpimp cuz you small!! har har har.

[Bensational]

Q-Rich got PT last nite because he's from Chicago.

That was Stan looking out for him so I ain't mad at that.

Or maybe Q-Rich was being showcased lol.

Or maybe we were trying to use our best wing defender to slow down a hot SF in Deng. That seems slightly more reasonable.

Do you really think Deng was that damn hot I mean damn, he had 28 pts.

You'd think he was going off like Kevin Durant scoring 40+ on us last night.

Dwight had 40 so what's your point?

A dude who has mad DNPCD's all of a sudden plays in his hometown but you think it's "slightly more reasonable" that he was put in the game just to shut/ slow down Luol Deng instead of Stan letting him play in front of his peeps.

Individual thought is cool!

come on... is this a serious point you're trying to make?

Deng was their most effective scoring option last night, why wouldn't you want to try and slow him down, especially when the game is only separated by a few points? and if you're not trying to slow him down, then why are people calling for Earl Clark to be put in?

[maginno]

it doesn't require michael jordan or michael vick to get players moving, even stan can slash..maybe the system doesn't require a lot of movement and cutting?

'So then you are sayin that all Jj needs to be a bread and butter slasher scorer in the NBA is a system of movement and cutting? You know what? I'm done if thats your point because its ridiculous. I give you props for at least not wanting to fire stan and I have no qualms about creativity but lets call it as it is.

A bunch of you guys just hate to see the team lose at all. You have the short term in view because you want to feel all warm and rosy after the game, pop a can and point your fingers and claim number one. Yooooohooooo!! and you are pissed whenever anything interrupts the party.

thats not this teams goal. Chasing after best record junk is old. I don't want to see stan start getting all creative with this new team. I'd rather we find our bread and butter and know who we are as a new team with new parts and THEN add the creativity later. You'll have to live with what I want because it happens to be the stated objective of the team. We are riding a whole lot on Gil getting back into shape and we are giving him and the other guys time and room to do that.

I'm willing to bet good money that Stan is preaching defense not launch the three or not. I'm fine with that . I'll judge this team in April.

[WillyJakkz]

Who on this team has Driving to the basket as a main part of their game besides Hedo? and who is the available coach that will be reasonably sure to deliver a ring?

Someone else tried Brown but that was a miserable claim. he has bombed out recently and even had player issues.

Want to go for four no answers? feel free

just answer the damn question willyjakkz. Stop running and start typing. Oh wait, I already know your response: hey bigpimp, you should change your name to smallpimp cuz you small!! har har har.

If you dumbasses could actually read you'd have seen about 5 pages ago that I posted "when JJ drives and tries to make something happen and is unsuccessful...." and JJ is just one.

Problem is instead of reading/ searching the thread for the answer you clowns are the type of dudes to ask the question AGAIN.

Similar to 5 yr old kids mentality.

"After you finish eating your lunch you can have a cookie."
"Daddy can I have a cookie?"
"After you finish eating your lunch yes you can have a cookie."
"Daddy can I have a cookie?"
"After you finish eating your lunch yes you can have a cookie."
"Daddy can I have a cookie?"
Daddy presumes to ignore child.

[Bensational]

Stan is a good coach. there isn't any available options i would rather have at the moment. i won't lie, Lawrence Frank would be a nice offensive assistant, but that's the extent of the changes i'd like to see.

if Stan made just a few alterations to the way he runs this team we'd see a dramatic improvement.

- cutting & driving. frankly, there's no excuse for players camping on the perimeter and either waiting for 3's or just watching the Dwight Howard show. and whilst i'd like to see more close range attempts from JRich, Hedo, Arenas and Anderson, i'd also just like to see the movement to help with ball movement.
- ball movement. when this team is performing best it's because we look for the extra pass. even if teams single cover Dwight, we've shown that if we use cutters or screens we're able to start moving the ball around the perimeter until someone gets an open 3 or an open lane. players are just getting lazy in this respect and breaking away from moving the ball to attempt an early shot.
- defense. this team is lost on defense and on rotations. our defense is our best weapon and what keeps us most productive. it's essential that we get that down.
- substitutions. Stan needs to actually monitor how effectively a player is playing. when JRich/Arenas/Anderson/Jameer/Hedo/Bass/whoever takes an ill advised shot early in the clock then they need to be pulled so they can get their head in the game. there are too many times that he watches players stink it up for long stretches before he makes a lineup change. IMO, players fall into these slumps because of how heavily we rely upon the 3. 3's fall at a lower percentage and they often come in clumps. Stan knows the only way to a player hitting their 40% average is to keep shooting, but this costs us attempts and points.

these are just the kind of changes i'd like to see, but i'll be the first to admit that i'm not a professional head coach so i'm sure Stan has his reasons for doing things his way. i don't want him fired, and i don't think he's doing a bad job, but every team has room for improvement.

[maginno]

If you dumbasses could actually read you'd have seen about 5 pages ago that I posted "when JJ drives and tries to make something happen and is unsuccessful...." and JJ is just one.

So JJ is a player on this team who has it as a main part of his game to slash to the basket? That was the question. Plus what you say is puuure Garbaaaage. I've watched many games where JJ tries to take it and he stays right in there getting minutes. JJ is such a poor example because he gets major burn whether he produces or not because Stan likes his defense and overall game.

Problem is instead of reading/ searching the thread for the answer you clowns are the type of dudes to ask the question AGAIN.

Apologies Jak. If your answer is that JJ is the slasher on this team that is being held back by Stan then none of us will ask the question again.

However you can go for the second question of who the coach is that is available that will lead us to a ring but after the JJ answer to the first one I am scared that you may answer - Isaiah Thomas or maybe Billy Donovan.

[WillyJakkz]

Q-Rich got PT last nite because he's from Chicago.

That was Stan looking out for him so I ain't mad at that.

Or maybe Q-Rich was being showcased lol.

Or maybe we were trying to use our best wing defender to slow down a hot SF in Deng. That seems slightly more reasonable.

come on... is this a serious point you're trying to make?

Deng was their most effective scoring option last night, why wouldn't you want to try and slow him down, especially when the game is only separated by a few points? and if you're not trying to slow him down, then why are people calling for Earl Clark to be put in?

Oh great....

Teen Wolf's back and he's howling mad!

Are you really arguing the relevancy of Stan's decision playing Q-Rich in his hometown over Earl Clark?


Owww Owww Owwwwwwwww!

[WillyJakkz]

If you dumbasses could actually read you'd have seen about 5 pages ago that I posted "when JJ drives and tries to make something happen and is unsuccessful...." and JJ is just one.

So JJ is a player on this team who has it as a main part of his game to slash to the basket? That was the question. Plus what you say is puuure Garbaaaage. I've watched many games where JJ tries to take it and he stays right in there getting minutes. JJ is such a poor example because he gets major burn whether he produces or not because Stan likes his defense and overall game.

Problem is instead of reading/ searching the thread for the answer you clowns are the type of dudes to ask the question AGAIN.

Apologies Jak. If your answer is that JJ is the slasher on this team that is being held back by Stan then none of us will ask the question again.

However you can go for the second question of who the coach is that is available that will lead us to a ring but after the JJ answer to the first one I am scared that you may answer - Isaiah Thomas or maybe Billy Donovan.

1st: I said JJ is one guy.

2nd: WTF is wrong w/ JJ Redick? Are you saying he can't ball?

3rd: Who the hell you think brought up Larry Brown?

Again...5 pages ago you'd have had an answer but you were too busy making a terrible point.

[magicman123]

So then you are sayin that all Jj needs to be a bread and butter slasher scorer in the NBA is a system of movement and cutting?

omg this so useless, this is how i imagine it would be talking to snookie

you constantly flip the script in order to make yourself look good, jj is probably the best player moving without the ball on the team, that doesn't make him elite but it makes him effective, i like how we involve redick in the offense, i wish we did more of that with other players like moving richardson towards the basket

now flip some of that in your own creative way suggesting that i said redick is the best player on the team

[Bensational]

Or maybe we were trying to use our best wing defender to slow down a hot SF in Deng. That seems slightly more reasonable.

come on... is this a serious point you're trying to make?

Deng was their most effective scoring option last night, why wouldn't you want to try and slow him down, especially when the game is only separated by a few points? and if you're not trying to slow him down, then why are people calling for Earl Clark to be put in?

Oh great....

Teen Wolf's back and he's howling mad!

Are you really arguing the relevancy of Stan's decision playing Q-Rich in his hometown over Earl Clark?


Owww Owww Owwwwwwwww!

you're a tool.

[WillyJakkz]

Oh great....

Teen Wolf's back and he's howling mad!

Are you really arguing the relevancy of Stan's decision playing Q-Rich in his hometown over Earl Clark?


Owww Owww Owwwwwwwww!

you're a tool.

Seriously man, why you get mad when I say that?

Are you really that sensitive about Teen Wolf?

Are you Michael J Fox or any of the other actors that were in that movie?

Are you related to Teen Wolf?

Is Teen Wolf a good friend of yours?

Did the movie Teen Wolf get you through a traumatic period in your life?

Really man, I gotta know.

[WillyJakkz]

Back on topic:

If we don't win a title this season, and if things stand pat (injuries w/standing) we won't, Stan is outta here.

We cannot have that multi-million dollar facility the Amway Center w/ the team being the same.

We need to make a splash personnel-wise.

Someone mentioned Rudy Tomjanovic (retired) which is cool but I still think Larry Brown would be great.

LB will likely be here for 3-5yrs tops but would definitely bring us a ring.