So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[Bensational]

Oh great....

Teen Wolf's back and he's howling mad!

Are you really arguing the relevancy of Stan's decision playing Q-Rich in his hometown over Earl Clark?


Owww Owww Owwwwwwwww!

you're a tool.

Seriously man, why you get mad when I say that?

Are you really that sensitive about Teen Wolf?

Are you Michael J Fox or any of the other actors that were in that movie?

Are you related to Teen Wolf?

Is Teen Wolf a good friend of yours?

Did the movie Teen Wolf get you through a traumatic period in your life?

Really man, I gotta know.

i don't get annoyed at the comment, i get annoyed because i'm one of the few posters who takes the time to take you seriously - and then that's what you follow up with. you can't hold a proper discussion with you because you've got nothing but empty points and a fist full of pathetic internet pop culture comments about somebody's handle??? i mean, i watched you derail a conversation with DrunkonMystery with comments about his name because you had no legit points to make in return. it's high school behaviour dude, and i don't get why you're pulling that ish.

you may as well take photos and start drawing dicks on them in MS Paint and change your name to Perez Hilton.

[maginno]

Someone mentioned Rudy Tomjanovic (retired) which is cool but I still think Larry Brown would be great.

because you have no baketball IQ and are oblivious to the problems Brown has had recently. Seriously you guys need to grow up when your best point is posting a picture of a wolf and going from one name calling to another. Save that for gym class. there are grown ups in this forum and the only thing you are showing is your immaturity

No one said anything about JJ not being a good player. I was on his bandwagon before you even saw the horse pulling it and he was hugging pine but he IS NOT AND NEVER WILL be a player that is going to make a team a slasher focused team. Whatever you are smoking you didn't pay enough. claim whatever you want. His major offensive arsenal is going to be on jump shots.

So since I have to diagram this with crayons for you the argument is simple, If you don't have players that have the routine skillset to mainly take the ball to the basket how do you determine that Stan has told them to launch the threes instead of breaking to the basket? and that THEY are making the choice not to take it when the opportunity is available? Mind reading? And don't give me some malarkey about hovering at the ark. You can start drives from that area if you choose and you can use the same pick and rolls to take it.

You have answered NADA. You were asked for the player that has the game that MAINLY has the game to take the ball to the basket and you and your side kick come back with the nonsense that anyone in the NBA can mainly be a slasher scorer. You were asked to provide both the name of the coach and the reason he would do better and you promptly named a coach that has had little success in years DEFYING the meaning of REASON.

So its down to five or six dodges. You just keep trying to change the question so that you can weasel out because you know if you answer the real question truthfully it blows your points to smithereens

[WillyJakkz]

i don't get annoyed at the comment, i get annoyed because i'm one of the few posters who takes the time to take you seriously - and then that's what you follow up with. you can't hold a proper discussion with you because you've got nothing but empty points and a fist full of pathetic internet pop culture comments about somebody's handle??? i mean, i watched you derail a conversation with DrunkonMystery with comments about his name because you had no legit points to make in return. it's high school behaviour dude, and i don't get why you're pulling that ish.

you may as well take photos and start drawing dicks on them in MS Paint and change your name to Perez Hilton.

Funny stuff.

First off I usually make my points in my opening if I make the thread.

Logic would dictate to get the perspective of the thread creator peeps would read the op.

Logic then turns to chaos by posters who either ask a question which was usually answered in the op or somewhere soon after.

You chose to jump in and point out to me that Deng was killing us and that's why peeps wanted Earl Clark instead of Q in the game.

Clearly my point of how I felt the situation was handled was made in a very early post in this thread (which you even quoted) but you disagreed but instead of being civil about it (which you could've been and maybe that was your intent) but w/ our negative conversational history that's not how it's read.

Another thing I pay no attention to alot of subtle/ not so subtle shots that peeps take at me/ others on here but as usual when retaliation finally does come (not you per se) the guys have a problem w/ it. It's alot of e-bullies on here.

Anyway my point is Stan is better suited as a defensive coordinator/ assistant coach imo.

He's incapable of leading us to a Championship.

[maginno]

omg this so useless, this is how i imagine it would be talking to snookie

You are right it is useless because you are so clueless you think that because I say JJ is not a slasher type and deny your nonsense that even Stan can be a slasher type in the NBA that means I think he is not effective. JJ does plenty cutting sure but how has that transformed his game.? Is he primarily not still a jump shooter? So when he takes his shot how do you geniuses conclude that he isn't just relying on his bread and butter and not stan's offense forcing him? Same thing with Jrich.

Your whole asinine beyond silly argument is that Stan is setting the system up where they he forces them to take threes rather than drive. and its based on ZERO, ZIP, NYET evidence but your own claims. You stick your heads in the sand when someone points out that the personnel themselves like those shots and are comfortable taking them and are absolutley clueless that Stan couldn't have threes as a hard and fast coaching philosophy/system to live by because he actually coached teams where the dependency was not on jump shooters but a slasher. So when he has the personnel he uses the drive but stick your head back in the sand before you actually can see how that proof blows up your own.

I'd like to talk with snookie as well. Can't possibly no less about the game or what he is talking about.

[SolidSnake008]

Well someone answer this for me.....Why did Stan decide to change the way we play defense instead on working on the offense? Last year in the Boston series our defense wasn't the problem it was our offense....Fast-Forward to the present and more or less we still have the same offense....what gives? didn't Stan himself in the Exit interview last year said he was going to "ADD WRINKLES" to our offense? I see no Wrinkles just more of the same....can someone help me understand this aspect?

[WillyJakkz]

Someone mentioned Rudy Tomjanovic (retired) which is cool but I still think Larry Brown would be great.

because you have no baketball IQ and are oblivious to the problems Brown has had recently. Seriously you guys need to grow up when your best point is posting a picture of a wolf and going from one name calling to another. Save that for gym class. there are grown ups in this forum and the only thing you are showing is your immaturity

No one said anything about JJ not being a good player. I was on his bandwagon before you even saw the horse pulling it and he was hugging pine but he IS NOT AND NEVER WILL be a player that is going to make a team a slasher focused team. Whatever you are smoking you didn't pay enough. claim whatever you want. His major offensive arsenal is going to be on jump shots.

So since I have to diagram this with crayons for you the argument is simple, If you don't have players that have the routine skillset to mainly take the ball to the basket how do you determine that Stan has told them to launch the threes instead of breaking to the basket? and that THEY are making the choice not to take it when the opportunity is available? Mind reading? And don't give me some malarkey about hovering at the ark. You can start drives from that area if you choose and you can use the same pick and rolls to take it.

You have answered NADA. You were asked for the player that has the game that MAINLY has the game to take the ball to the basket and you and your side kick come back with the nonsense that anyone in the NBA can mainly be a slasher scorer. You were asked to provide both the name of the coach and the reason he would do better and you promptly named a coach that has had little success in years DEFYING the meaning of REASON.

So its down to five or six dodges. You just keep trying to change the question so that you can weasel out because you know if you answer the real question truthfully it blows your points to smithereens

You're the opposite of a basketball genius, you're like basketball (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

WTF is a "slasher focused" team?

You've received enough info/ names just off JJ Redick alone(which is my worst example but an example no less) but you somehow come up w/ the theory that "JJ major offensive arsenal is jumpshots"... really?

He and anyone w/ a brain (or if you can actually ball which I doubt you can) knows you open your/ your teams game by hitting shots from the outside which allows you to then penetrate/ slash/ create off a dribble/ pass to keep the defense honest. That's how you become a true total threat on the floor while also getting your own or your teams offense going.

Jameer does the same damn thing except he may drive 1st to get his game going.

See a trend here or is the abacus in your head not able to compute this?

JJ, Jameer, Hedo are the ones who mainly do this whether successfully or not w/ out the fear of getting snatched outta the game (even though coach is gonna spazz) while the other guys try to penetrate/ create and they mess up, it's a problem so they start shooting the 3/ deep 2 cause that's at least the "open shot" that coach wants them to take.

This has been discussed but you don't get it.

Obviously you also have no idea of what a great coach is to say Larry Brown had recent problems w/ that Bobcats team. That team/ situation is not what he's built for now, he's built to win not rebuild.

Also notice how you completely glossed over the FACT that I pointed out Stan ran ONE post play for J-Rich that was unsuccessful and never went to it again, but it's all good for the chuck the 3 ball play to not work cause hey, when we do hit one, it'll be worth 3pts.

You are so basketball handicapped. Unreal...

Anyway no biggie to me, I'm still good.

[WillyJakkz]

didn't Stan himself in the Exit interview last year said he was going to "ADD WRINKLES" to our offense? I see no Wrinkles just more of the same....can someone help me understand this aspect?

He did, we've got Malik Allen.

[CraZyPraiZ]

and the girl on the left resembles yours, damn what knowledge i just dropped

Thread is getting even weirder when one of them thinks he is insulting my argument by comparing it to an attractive girl. Getting back on topic let me put the two questions together without putting other words in that you might trip over

1) Who do any of you have in mind THAT IS AVAILABLE that you can show any concrete reason why that coach would win a ring with the magic?

2) Who besides Hedo has a game that regularly drives to the basket?

all non answers, distractions, you already know etc Yada yada yada will count as

"I have no idea. You've proven your point Maginno. I'm just yabbing"

Enough said. The girl on the left is attractive? ROFL.

[happypedro12]

You can say jumpshots create lanes or your could say being fast enables you to draw in the defense thus creating open jumpshots. Both are correct arguments, but you have to look at the personel. No one on our team can take someone off the dribble, excepts maybe jameer and hedo on occasion. So you look to your best player (Dwight) to create offense. What is it that Dwight does best? Back to the basket, driving accross the lane for a hook and/or a spin for a dunk or easy lay-up. So after that your next step is to create a system that fits him, SVG has chosen getting together a bunch of spot up 3 point shooters so there is a never ending inside-outside game. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS IDEA. In actuality its pretty ingenious, as long as everyone is making their shots. When we are hitting 3's we're unstoppable. Honestly, if we are in the NBA finals and we shoot 40% from beyond the arc, we're winning the title. However, there are kinks in the armor. There are weaknesses to every plan. We have shooters, but no rebounders. Good cutters, but no finishers. No Iso players. When we stop hitting three's, or Dwight goes into a tantrum and gets T'd up, or SVG rotates the wrong player in and out of the line-up, then we lose. I don't know what people expect from him though. You do realize that only 1 team wins the title? So are all of those other coaches not "championship" material? You have a case that maybe we should have built a different system around him, or SVG isn't using the right players at the right times, but I am closer to the idea that its the players job to play and win the games on the court. Anyone who plays any competitive game knows that there is more to a victory than just X's and O's.

[magicman123]

no wonder why people ignore you, your so full of yourself...im out i gotta get the sound out of my ears

[happypedro12]

Also notice how you completely glossed over the FACT that I pointed out Stan ran ONE post play for J-Rich that was unsuccessful and never went to it again, but it's all good for the chuck the 3 ball play to not work cause hey, when we do hit one, it'll be worth 3pts.

This is a valid point and a good one but there are so many other things to consider here. Your right, last year we had VC on that elbow post ALL year, and then against Boston it just went away. Completely agree that it seems we do just break down at points and begin chucking. My defense to that are a couple of things. Mainly, as SVG is a coach and should be watching his players and who he wants, does he realize "i'll try J-rich on this post, but he isn't known to hit those post up fadeaways"? Also, Dwight always runs down the floor and bangs in to get inside position right? I mean ALWAYS, thats his game. So if he does that and is waiting for either a pass or a rebound, you don't necessarily have time to take 5 seconds and run a post up. Now SVG could drill into Dwight 'look on play X don't go down so low', and thats a valid option. However my main counter to that and a bunch of these chucking claims is the in game adrenaline. I know they are elite players and have been playin their whole lives. But its exactly because they are so elite that they are too enveloped into the game to realize certain situations. J-Rich is tired, he's been chasing Wade around for 30 minutes and probably getting worked. His psyche is saying 'ok we need points, what do i do well?' What does he do well at this stage? Take three's. Most of our players are known for shooting, its what they've done their entire lives, and they're good at it. So in the moment, down 5, fast break, Dwight Howard under the basket, I'm taking the shot and so are they. Its hard to tell some 30 yr old grown man to tweak things a certain way, especially 12 grown men.

[WillyJakkz]

You can say jumpshots create lanes or your could say being fast enables you to draw in the defense thus creating open jumpshots. Both are correct arguments, but you have to look at the personel. No one on our team can take someone off the dribble, excepts maybe jameer and hedo on occasion. So you look to your best player (Dwight) to create offense. What is it that Dwight does best? Back to the basket, driving accross the lane for a hook and/or a spin for a dunk or easy lay-up. So after that your next step is to create a system that fits him, SVG has chosen getting together a bunch of spot up 3 point shooters so there is a never ending inside-outside game. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS IDEA. In actuality its pretty ingenious, as long as everyone is making their shots. When we are hitting 3's we're unstoppable. Honestly, if we are in the NBA finals and we shoot 40% from beyond the arc, we're winning the title. However, there are kinks in the armor. There are weaknesses to every plan. We have shooters, but no rebounders. Good cutters, but no finishers. No Iso players. When we stop hitting three's, or Dwight goes into a tantrum and gets T'd up, or SVG rotates the wrong player in and out of the line-up, then we lose. I don't know what people expect from him though. You do realize that only 1 team wins the title? So are all of those other coaches not "championship" material? You have a case that maybe we should have built a different system around him, or SVG isn't using the right players at the right times, but I am closer to the idea that its the players job to play and win the games on the court. Anyone who plays any competitive game knows that there is more to a victory than just X's and O's.

Listen,

I have no problem w/ his stretch 4 philosophy cause as a matter of fact, if we had the right personnel at the 4 spot we'd be the team to beat hands down.

Personally I think Andrea Bargnani next to Dwight would be THE PERFECT FIT. Unfortunately that ain't gonna happen.

I ain't that mad at all the 3pt chuckin' to be real.

I'm most mad that Stan got these guys on a very very short leash and doesn't trust them enough to learn through making mistakes on the court w/ out him throwin' these hissy fits.

That's what leads to the players indecision/ not trusting their instincts and they end up settling for long 2's/ 3pters when instinctively they'd probably do something else.

[maginno]

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but you somehow come up w/ the theory that "JJ major offensive arsenal is jumpshots"... really?

More. More. I love it. Now the fire Stan groupies are denying that JJ is mostly a jumps shooter on offense. Freaking hilarious stuff.

[pokerfan12]

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but you somehow come up w/ the theory that "JJ major offensive arsenal is jumpshots"... really?

More. More. I love it. Now the fire Stan groupies are denying that JJ is mostly a jumps shooter on offense. Freaking hilarious stuff.

in jj's defense he tries REALLY REALLY hard to drive to the basket. it's just not as reliable an option for his skill set.

[maginno]

no wonder why people ignore you, your so full of yourself...im out i gotta get the sound out of my ears

Yep Get that checked out STAT!!!!!!!!!!!!. if you are hearing sounds in your ears from reading a screen theres a serious problem.

Saturday night comedy at its best I tell you. At its best.

[maginno]

This is a valid point and a good one but there are so many other things to consider here. Your right, last year we had VC on that elbow post ALL year, and then against Boston it just went away. Completely agree that it seems we do just break down at points and begin chucking. My defense to that are a couple of things. Mainly, as SVG is a coach and should be watching his players and who he wants, does he realize "i'll try J-rich on this post, but he isn't known to hit those post up fadeaways"?

But then that makes it a lousy point. Not a good one. He's still batting zero because NBA coaches have plays that are not meant to be repeated over and over. They are situational plays not things that the coach thinks the team can keep going back to. Post up is not Jrich's bread and butter. you can't ask him to do that and take him out of what he is better at. We need our new players clicking on what the main plays are not adding wrinkles. You do that later in the season.

[magicman123]

quick give us a 4 page report on how blue is officially not a magic color because its not really blue but an optical illusion that bounces off Uranus through Saturn in which the temperature alters the mind and the air repels your senses so the color is actually mixed with 89 other colors formed by an element grown in the land of oz that is theoretically not rare but genetically correctly hypothetically informed binded together and then mixed in a tea cup and flipped in vertically through the eye and travels through the receptors by wankas boat to the brain and then an umpa lumpa sends the signal back out the eye in which we recognize the color as blue only by default, and we are all stupid and like to build sand castles on the beach

[maginno]

in jj's defense he tries REALLY REALLY hard to drive to the basket. it's just not as reliable an option for his skill set.

No need to defend JJ. He has become an outstanding player and I could easily see him getting some passes when he cuts and get to the rim but He's still going to launch the jumper as his main offensive weapon and he's making those cuts in Stan's present system . Anyone who can't see that is clueless. Stan isn't holding him back. Dwight isn't particularly good at seeing JJ and Jameer often misses lots of things. I actually like when Gil plays with JJ if for nothing else that he actively looks for players besides dwight to pass to.

[maginno]

quick give us a 4 page report on how blue is officially not a magic color because its not really blue but an optical illusion that bounces off Uranus through Saturn in which the temperature alters the mind and the air repels your senses so the color is actually mixed with 89 other colors formed by an element grown in the land of oz

Oh man sounds like the voices in your head are getting worse. Click your heels and repeat "theres nowhere like home" a few times until you see the doc Monday morning.

Or consult the medical archives here

http://www.watch-fringe-online.net/Watc ... son_1.html

[MickaelPietrus]

you're a tool.

Seriously man, why you get mad when I say that?

Are you really that sensitive about Teen Wolf?

Are you Michael J Fox or any of the other actors that were in that movie?

Are you related to Teen Wolf?

Is Teen Wolf a good friend of yours?

Did the movie Teen Wolf get you through a traumatic period in your life?

Really man, I gotta know.

Bensational just gets emotional sometimes