The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

[AQuintus]

Irving makes a ton of sense, but I just do not see Minny taking another point guard. If they do, they are essencially saying they completely ruined their draft 2 years ago.

Not really. If they take Irving and then move Flynn and Rubio for garbage, yeah, they'd be admitting that they ruined that draft. The drafting of Irving in and of itself, however, only says that they like Irving as an NBA prospect more than Flynn or Rubio, which is completely understandable.

They drafted 2 point guards in that draft and as far as I know, their front office still has high hopes for both.

They also have extremely high hopes for Love, Beasley, and Johnson. Definitely higher than their hopes for Flynn, and probably even higher than their hopes for Rubio (Beasley and Love at least).

When I am mocking this stuff I am trying to figure out what teams will do, not necessarily what they should do.

I can understand and respect this, but in that case, they'd take Jonas V. Kahn has said more than once that the team needs an athletic 4/5 in their rotation next to Love and Darko, Kahn (GM) and Ronzone (assistant GM) both love Euro players, and it wouldn't even be a huge reach (he's 6th in your mock).

Taking Irving means they are giving up on Flynn and also that they are trading Rubio. Taking Irving immediately hurts Rubio's trade value as well.

Flynn is going to get traded regardless of who Minnesota drafts because they have Rubio in the wings to be the future starter and they signed Ridnour to be the backup. Flynn just doesn't have a future with this team. With that said, there's no reason that they can't keep both Irving and Rubio for a year or so and then keep whichever one they like more and trade the other.

I'd be shocked if Kahn was willing to take another PG in the top 10 and essencially admit to ruining the draft 2 years ago. Not when he can hide behind the BPA arguement by taking Derrick Williams.

I'd be far, far, far more shocked if they took another Forward (who can only play Forward) when Minnesota's two best players (by far) are both Forwards and they just invested another top 5 pick on a Forward who they're trying to convert into a guard.

[princeofpalace]

Id be very happy if Detroit were to walk away with Kemba Walker & Demetri McCamey (by way of Toronto). The Point Guard spot is definitely their biggest problem.

I also dont see Williams having the ability to play SF at all but MN is in a bind and their best bet may be to trade down for a SG + asset. Or draft Irving and trade Flynn and/or rights to Rubio.

[Piecake]

Flynn is going to get traded regardless of who Minnesota drafts because they have Rubio in the wings to be the future starter and they signed Ridnour to be the backup. Flynn just doesn't have a future with this team. With that said, there's no reason that they can't keep both Irving and Rubio for a year or so and then keep whichever one they like more and trade the other.

I also really wouldnt mind an Irving/Rubio PG rotation for a year, but then that begs the question, what happens to Ridnour? 4 million is pretty expensive for a vet not getting any playing time.

[AQuintus]

I also really wouldnt mind an Irving/Rubio PG rotation for a year, but then that begs the question, what happens to Ridnour? 4 million is pretty expensive for a vet not getting any playing time.

There's been plenty of interest for Ridnour so far this year, so it probably wouldn't be too hard to trade him.

Or, as long has he's okay with it, 4 million for a third sting PG, as long as its only 1 year, could be acceptable.

[jman3134]

Wait why would we mock draft for team needs when we don't know the order of the lottery yet? (and the NBA season isn't even over)

[Piecake]

Wait why would we mock draft for team needs when we don't know the order of the lottery yet? (and the NBA season isn't even over)

Why associate teams with picks then? If we are ignoring team needs and simply ranking best nba prospect, it would make more sense to just have a 1-30 ranking.

[Jetset]

Better draft than your last Cammo can't really debate it because I don't see anything wrong other than Jonas being over Kanter. And I like how you have it by having teams that have multiple firsts listed. But couldn't help but notice that you didn't have NJ down as having the 28th pick. Lakers traded it to NJ in the Sasha deal.

[Ruzious]

I like the updated mock. Even though Fredette won't go that high, I'm impressed that you went out on a limb there.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think Jordan Hamilton is going top 10 and has a very legitimate shot to go top 5 when it's all said and done.

IMO, He'll definitely wind up above Harrison Barnes and has a chance to go higher then Terrence Jones, he'll be the 2nd small forward off the board and has a chance to be the first or second wing off the board over Alec Burks as well.

[Dr Positivity]

I agree Hamilton is a move into the top 7 waiting to happen. He reminds me of Wes Johnson. Everyone can use a big SF who defends and hits 3s.

[Ruzious]

Hmm, Hamilton looked like a smallish 3 to me. Maybe I haven't seen him when he's been at his best, but I think he's roughly the same as Kris Joseph - though perhaps he's got a better scorer's mentality than Joseph. I haven't seen him a lot, but he seemed a bit full of himself and pouted when he didn't get calls from the refs. I got bad vibes about his attitude - but that's just me.

[Cammo101]

2/5/11

1. Cleveland - Perry Jones (6'11'', PF, Baylor, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
3. Sacramento - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
4. Washington - Jared Sullinger (6'9'', PF, Ohio State, Fresh.)
5. Toronto - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
6. New Jersey - Terrence Jones (6'9'', SF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
7. Detroit - Enes Kanter (6'10'', PF, Turkey)
8. LA Clippers - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
9. Milwaukee - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
10. Indiana - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
11. Charlotte - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
12. Golden State - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
13. Houston - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
14. Philadelphia - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
15. Phoenix - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
16. New York - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
17. Portland - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF San Diego State, Soph.)
18. Memphis - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
19. Denver - Harrison Barnes (6'8'', SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
20. Utah - Kris Joseph (6'7'', SF, Syracuse, Jr.)
21. Phoenix (from ORL) - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
22. Portland (from NO) - Josh Selby (6'1'', PG, Kansas, Fresh.)
23. Atlanta - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
24. Oklahoma City - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
25. LA Lakers - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
26. Dallas - Lucas Nogueira (7'0'', C, Brazil)
27. Chicago - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
28. Toronto (from MIA) - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
29. Boston - CJ Leslie (6'8'', SF, North Carolina State, Fresh.)
30. San Antonio - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)

31. Cleveland - Demetri McCamey (6'3'', PG, Illinois, Sr.)
32. Minnesota - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
33. Sacramento - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
34. Washington - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
35. Toronto - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
36. New Jersey - David Lighty (6'6'', SG, Ohio State, Sr.)
37. Detroit - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
38. LA Clippers - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
39. Milwaukee - Wesley Witherspoon (6'8'', SF, Memphis, Jr.)
40. Indiana - Durrell Summers (6'5'', SG, Michigan State, Sr.)
41. Charlotte - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
42. Golden State - Pablo Aguilar (6'8'', PF, Spain)
43. Houston - Rick Jackson (6'9'', PF, Syracuse, Sr.)
44. Philadelphia - Lavoy Allen (6'9'', PF, Temple, Sr.)
45. Phoenix - LaceDarius Dunn (6'4'', SG, Baylor, Sr.)
46. New York - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
47. Portland - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)
48. Memphis - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
49. Denver - Chris Wright (6'1'', PG, Georgetown, Sr.)
50. Utah - Anatoly Bose (6'6'', SG, Nichols State, Sr.)
51. Orlando - Chris Wright (6'7'', SF, Dayton, Sr.)
52. New Orleans - Ravern Johnson (6'7'', SF, Mississippi State, Sr.)
53. Atlanta - Renardo Sidney (6'10'', PF, Mississippi State, Soph.)
54. Oklahoma City - Robin Benzing (6'10'', SF, Germany)
55. LA Lakers - Malcolm Delaney (6'3'', PG, Virginia Tech, Sr.)
56. Dallas - Justin Hurtt (6'4'', SG, Tulsa, Sr.)
57. Chicago - Will Coleman (6'9'', PF, Memphis, Sr.)
58. Miami - Kalin Lucas (6'0'', PG, Michigan State, Sr.)
59. Boston - Gary Flowers (6'8'', SF, Southern Mississippi, Sr.)
60. San Antonio - Brad Wanamaker (6'4'', PG, Pittsburgh, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

[Ruzious]

I figure HarBar won't enter the draft unless he's sure to go top 10. If he keeps up the way he's played the last 2 games, I think he goes top 8.

[vincecarter4pres]

The thing with Barnes though is if he's guaranteed lotto he might declare this year cause of the fact that if he doesn't play like he is now for all of next season he's likely going to play himself out of the lotto completely.

[ipoopinmypants]

My god if Minny takes another PG...

Although there's no doubt in my mind that Irving is a sure thing.

[Cammo101]

My god if Minny takes another PG...

Although there's no doubt in my mind that Irving is a sure thing.

It does not matter what position I mock to Minnesota, at least one person each update says "Minny doesn't need another____". For a team that is flat out terrible, Minny seems to be set at every single position. Funny how that works.

[Dr Positivity]

My god if Minny takes another PG...

Although there's no doubt in my mind that Irving is a sure thing.

It does not matter what position I mock to Minnesota, at least one person each update says "Minny doesn't need another____". For a team that is flat out terrible, Minny seems to be set at every single position. Funny how that works.

Indeed

Also, Irving would be a better choice than I'm Ricky Rubio going forward. He's a better prospect, he's not a lock to bolt to New York or LA as soon as possible, and he doesn't have an ego the size of Minneapolis. Still though it'd be freakin hilarious to see Kahn pawn off Rubio after all this

[Dr Positivity]

And on that note, Irving isn't a sure thing, I think after Evan Turner providing the most recent example, it's time we start realizing even the non franchise prospects who REALLY REALLY seem like sure things can end up flops (or looking like it in Turner's case)

In Irving's case, I could see the increased speed of the NBA taking away a lot of his biggest strength, and in particular it's hard for a PG to be dominant in transition unless he grabs a ton of rebounds which I don't think Irving will. IMO a team should be happy if they get Tony Parker out of Irving

[Cammo101]

Sure things are very rare.

[Ruzious]

And on that note, Irving isn't a sure thing, I think after Evan Turner providing the most recent example, it's time we start realizing even the non franchise prospects who REALLY REALLY seem like sure things can end up flops (or looking like it in Turner's case)

In Irving's case, I could see the increased speed of the NBA taking away a lot of his biggest strength, and in particular it's hard for a PG to be dominant in transition unless he grabs a ton of rebounds which I don't think Irving will. IMO a team should be happy if they get Tony Parker out of Irving

Tangent time - apologies in advance - I'd be ecstatic to have the next Tony Parker on my team. He may be the most underrated player of his era. He's been a major part of 3 NBA Championship teams and is still young enough to earn a couple more, he has sacrificed his stats for the good of his team (as evidence of what he can do - in the 2008-2009 season, he averaged 22 points and 6.9 assists in the regular season and 28.6 and 6.8 in the playoffs), and year in and year out - he's one of the best all-around PGs in the NBA and pretty much taken for granted. Sure, he's had great teammates, but I doubt that many PGs would have blended so well with SA running their offense through Duncan for years and now through Ginobili.