Utah Jazz (28-19) @ Golden State Warriors (19-27)

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Post#61 » by gojazzmjsucks » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:14 pm

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Re: Utah Jazz (28-19) @ Golden State Warriors (19-27) 

Post#62 » by Neon Black » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:53 pm

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Neon Black wrote:... players that any reasonably coaching staff would have come off the bench... Fisher..

I guess Phil Jackson is not a reasonable coach...


Yeah good catch. Let me rephrase that....Sloan starts players at the 2 that other teams wouldn't/don't. Understandably we don't have many options right now but even when we do, that's been the case.
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Post#63 » by StocktonShorts » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:36 pm

Neon Black wrote:Yeah good catch. Let me rephrase that....Sloan starts players at the 2 that other teams wouldn't/don't.


To be fair, he can only start guys that are on the roster. Aside from last year when Wesley starting coming into his own it's been a long time since picking the starting 2-guard for this team was a no-brainer.

That year when Fisher started so many games, here were Sloan's other options:

Ronnie Brewer (rookie season)
Gordan Giricek
C.J. Miles (19 yrs. old, 2nd season)
Dee Brown (rookie season)
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Post#64 » by OC Jazzfan » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:41 pm

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We had a great young talent in Wes Matthews but lost him because of financial issues....


Actually we lost Wes because the front office didn't make a 3-4 million/year offer to a player they really wanted to keep and instead sent him out to establish his "market value". He probably would've taken an early 3-4 million/year offer from the Jazz. I view this as less a financial issue and more a stupidity issue.
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Post#65 » by The59Sound » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:56 pm

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ut_jazz wrote:
We had a great young talent in Wes Matthews but lost him because of financial issues....


Actually we lost Wes because the front office didn't make a 3-4 million/year offer to a player they really wanted to keep and instead sent him out to establish his "market value". He probably would've taken an early 3-4 million/year offer from the Jazz. I view this as less a financial issue and more a stupidity issue.


We'll never know if that's how it would have played out, but I agree it was probably foolish not to at least put the offer out there. I can understand why the Jazz thought his market value would turn out to be much, much lower than it was, but you have to be over-cautious in that situation, I think.
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Post#66 » by kebutah » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:45 pm

It seems odd that they only exhibited caution when Matthews was involved: we rushed to sign a max contract with AK, we rushed to bid against ourselves to resign Memo, we resigned Collins to a longer cheaper contract.
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Post#67 » by StocktonShorts » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:59 pm

kebutah wrote:It seems odd that they only exhibited caution when Matthews was involved: we rushed to sign a max contract with AK, we rushed to bid against ourselves to resign Memo, we resigned Collins to a longer cheaper contract.


It's not that odd actually. The Memo, AK, Millsap and Matthews deals all have something in common: the exhibit a failure by the Jazz front office to accurately gauge the market value of their players.
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Post#68 » by The59Sound » Tue Feb 1, 2011 12:18 am

The Memo extension was an epic misstep.
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Post#69 » by JazzFan4Life18 » Tue Feb 1, 2011 12:35 am

The Jazz oughtta trade for a pure shooter, someone who can stretch the floor and be relied on to consistently hit the long ball.

I hear Kyle Korver from the Bulls is a pretty deadly sharpshooter. Anybody think the Jazz can swing a deal and acquire him?
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Post#70 » by hoops4life » Tue Feb 1, 2011 12:41 am

The59Sound wrote:The Memo extension was an epic misstep.


Misstep... yes; epic... no.

If that was the biggest mistake moneywise the franchise makes in the next 5-10, I would be okay with it.
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Post#71 » by outerspacefella » Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:18 am

HappyProle wrote:... The Memo, AK, Millsap and Matthews deals all have something in common: the exhibit a failure by the Jazz front office to accurately gauge the market value of their players.

I'm not sure I agree with the AK case, for Kirilenko seemed at least a legit close to max player at that time. That said, I think you have a valid point.
I would add to it the Jazz missed some draft choices.... Koufos over Ibaka and Almond over Afflalo comes to mind easily (I'm not taking into account cases like Ginobili who slided to 57th... but hey... the Jazz drafted Quincy Lewis ahead of Kirilenko in this draft.... )
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Re: Utah Jazz (28-19) @ Golden State Warriors (19-27) 

Post#72 » by Millsap24 » Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:42 am

Ellis scores 2 points and still can't win. Very ugly defense in this game.
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Re: Utah Jazz (28-19) @ Golden State Warriors (19-27) 

Post#73 » by The59Sound » Tue Feb 1, 2011 5:35 pm

hoops4life wrote:
The59Sound wrote:The Memo extension was an epic misstep.


Misstep... yes; epic... no.

If that was the biggest mistake moneywise the franchise makes in the next 5-10, I would be okay with it.


Unless I'm getting the years on his contract mixed up in my head, we could've afforded to keep Matthews.
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