Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[fishercob]

What about Hinrich to Dallas for Butler (injured and expiring -- bought out), cash and a (late) first?

Dallas does it to replace JJ Barea's 20 MPG with Hinrich -- a better offensive and defensive player.

Wiz roll with Wall, Young, Shakur a little Josh, and a D-leaguer as their guards.

[no D in Hibachi]

I'm sure there is some type of McGee/Hinrich/Yi for Bynum with Blake going to a third team possibility. After seeing Jason Smith, Aaron Gray, and whats his face Anderson murder the Wiz centers last night I'm ready for a change. While Bynum makes a zillion dollars right now, McGee is a year away from an extension and he's gonna get paid because he's a 7-footer, can block shots, and is athletic. Some GM will think they can change him and that he hasn't received the right opportunity to succeed in Washington.

[Nivek]

What about Hinrich to Dallas for Butler (injured and expiring -- bought out), cash and a (late) first?

Dallas does it to replace JJ Barea's 20 MPG with Hinrich -- a better offensive and defensive player.

Wiz roll with Wall, Young, Shakur a little Josh, and a D-leaguer as their guards.

I'd do it. Martin ought to be able to hold down backup minutes at SG behind Young.

[Black Eyed Sooz]

I'm sure there is some type of McGee/Hinrich/Yi for Bynum with Blake going to a third team possibility.

I was going to post almost exactly the same deal, except with Josh Howard in place of Yi, which I assume the Lakers would prefer.

I think this would be a good deal for almost everyone involved- even Bynum might be excited going to a team with all sorts of playing time available (not to mention John Wall) to prove that he is one of the top big men in the league, which he will probably never get in LA, especially if Dwight Howard is serious about jumping to the Lakers when his contract runs out.

[Dat2U]

What about Hinrich to Dallas for Butler (injured and expiring -- bought out), cash and a (late) first?

Dallas does it to replace JJ Barea's 20 MPG with Hinrich -- a better offensive and defensive player.

Wiz roll with Wall, Young, Shakur a little Josh, and a D-leaguer as their guards.

That would be nice, very nice.

[TGW]

Trading for an oft-injured player with chronic knee injuries for a young, developing 7 footer.

Sounds very Wes Unseldian if I say so myself.

No to Bynum, unless they take back our bad contracts. And I mean Rashard Lewis.

[Ruzious]

What about Hinrich to Dallas for Butler (injured and expiring -- bought out), cash and a (late) first?

Dallas does it to replace JJ Barea's 20 MPG with Hinrich -- a better offensive and defensive player.

Wiz roll with Wall, Young, Shakur a little Josh, and a D-leaguer as their guards.

I'm fine with that, but instead of the 1st, I want one of their young guards - either Beaubois or Dom Jones.

Maybe the Lakeshow's supposed interest in KHiny gets things moving with other teams who have interest in him.

[closg00]

Both untouchable ^^^

[Severn Hoos]

My master plan would be to move Blatche for Faried's rights--but to use the Wizards lottery pick for Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, or either Kanter or Valanciunas.

Sign me up for that CCJ. That's a great plan.

Maybe Indy will trade us their #15ish pick + Posey for Blatche. Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

Yeah, for the past few weeks, I've been thinking that the ideal situation would be to move Blatche and get a pick in the 12-18 range, if possible. Only difference is that my target would be Chris Singleton, as I think he'll be the best defender from this class, and could be an ideal "3 and D" SF (TM nate) for us.

Sullinger (or Williams as a 2nd option), Singleton, and - oh, let's say for fun - Nolan Smith. Now that would be a great draft.

Tangent thought that probably belongs in the Draft thread - Nolan Smith to the Wiz really should happen. Leaving aside for the moment the fact that he's a Dookie (ugh), he's tough and a winner, just what we need on this team. And it would complete the circle for him to play for the team his Father coached and he grew up rooting for, I hope it would be very fulfilling for him.

[Ruzious]

My master plan would be to move Blatche for Faried's rights--but to use the Wizards lottery pick for Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, or either Kanter or Valanciunas.

Sign me up for that CCJ. That's a great plan.

Maybe Indy will trade us their #15ish pick + Posey for Blatche. Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

Yeah, for the past few weeks, I've been thinking that the ideal situation would be to move Blatche and get a pick in the 12-18 range, if possible. Only difference is that my target would be Chris Singleton, as I think he'll be the best defender from this class, and could be an ideal "3 and D" SF (TM nate) for us.

Sullinger (or Williams as a 2nd option), Singleton, and - oh, let's say for fun - Nolan Smith. Now that would be a great draft.

Tangent thought that probably belongs in the Draft thread - Nolan Smith to the Wiz really should happen. Leaving aside for the moment the fact that he's a Dookie (ugh), he's tough and a winner, just what we need on this team. And it would complete the circle for him to play for the team his Father coached and he grew up rooting for, I hope it would be very fulfilling for him.

I'm torn on Singleton - just wish he had kept up his offensive improvement. With Blatche looking less and less like the PF of the future, we don't have much offense at PF. If Singleton plays the 3, we just wouldn't have enough offense up front. But if we did have a good offensive 4, I'd agree - Singleton would be a great fit.

Nolan Smith - he's a hard one to project. I'd compare his game and abilities to Mario Chalmers, but he's got a better head on his shoulders. We could definitely use him as a 3rd guard. And I have to admit - Kyle Singler - he may look different and may not fit any position, but dude can really play.

[nate33]

I'm sure there is some type of McGee/Hinrich/Yi for Bynum with Blake going to a third team possibility. After seeing Jason Smith, Aaron Gray, and whats his face Anderson murder the Wiz centers last night I'm ready for a change. While Bynum makes a zillion dollars right now, McGee is a year away from an extension and he's gonna get paid because he's a 7-footer, can block shots, and is athletic. Some GM will think they can change him and that he hasn't received the right opportunity to succeed in Washington.

I'd do McGee + Hinrich + expiring for Bynum in a heartbeat. Bynum has injury concerns, but it's not like he's Greg Oden. And when he comes back from injury, he resumes his former level of play, which is encouraging. He has posted a PER of 20 for four straight seasons now. And his game is pretty much floorbound so I don't think his injuries will have a long term effect on his performance.

Then draft Derrick Williams with our lotto pick. Draft Nolan Smith with our 2nd rounder. He makes sense as a backup combo guard to replace Hinrich. Sign Wilson Chandler for the full MLE and we'd have totally revamped our roster in one offseason:

PG Wall/N.Smith
SG Young/Chandler
SF Chandler/Lewis
PF Williams/Booker
C Bynum/Blatche/Seraphin

I'm torn on whether or not to dump Blatche in this scenario.

[closg00]

"For us it would really depend on what the deal is," Grunfeld tells HOOPSWORLD. "Of course, you never turn down the right deal, but it would have to really be the right deal. There's not as much conversation going on this year as in years past because a lot of teams are waiting to see how things will work out with the new collective bargaining agreement. We've positioned ourselves pretty well from a financial standpoint. We have some solid young players and our future looks good."

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?sto ... z1CpMgZosr

The Master of Spin has spoken, get a sense of Deja vu?

[eitanr]

I like that lineup a lot, but does LA really deal Bynum for McGee and Hinie? Unsure, especially with Brown and Blake as their backup combo guards.

[nate33]

I like that lineup a lot, but does LA really deal Bynum for McGee and Hinie? Unsure, especially with Brown and Blake as their backup combo guards.

It depends on their financial situation and the expected shape of the new CBA. Clearly, they wouldn't do that trade based on talent alone. But if there's some kind of hard cap or supertax, LA is going to need to shed salary in a hurry. Trading Bynum for McGee is a downgrade, but it saves them $11M a year or so.

[507Mack]

I feel like Lakers wouldnt make moves right now based solely on saving a few mil. Winning a championship would more than compensate for the money they could save. Plus, Bynum's knee injuries have been pretty consistent the past few years. That scares me.

I would, however, be interested in an Artest for Hinrich swap (plus any filler). That would be a massive upgrade at the 3 position both offensively and defensively, seeing as right now we have a collection of mediocre players.

[tontoz]

I feel like Lakers wouldnt make moves right now based solely on saving a few mil. Winning a championship would more than compensate for the money they could save. Plus, Bynum's knee injuries have been pretty consistent the past few years. That scares me.

I would, however, be interested in an Artest for Hinrich swap (plus any filler). That would be a massive upgrade at the 3 position both offensively and defensively, seeing as right now we have a collection of mediocre players.

Artest is signed through 2014 at $7 million/yr. He is on the decline and a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Pass

They shouldn't be looking to take on salary unless it is a quality young player. Better to save their capspace in the hope of landing a big free agent in 2-3 years.

[507Mack]

Artest is signed through 2014 at $7 million/yr. He is on the decline and a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Pass

They shouldn't be looking to take on salary unless it is a quality young player. Better to save their capspace in the hope of landing a big free agent in 2-3 years.

I hear you, but take a look at the free agents in 2013 and 2014. None of these guys are the "game-changer" free agents that we should continue to tank for. The best available is Dwight Howard, who probably will opt for a bigger market (and who I would hate rooting for). I think one lesson learned from this past summer is that it's extremely risky to hold out for big time free agents and continuously lose with cheap-o players because you can very easily end up with absolutely nothing to show for it.

In the meantime, if you take a look at this team, it is clearly going to continue struggling without some additional/scorers/stars. Wall has a bright future, but even if he can work on his jumper, I'm not too excited about the next few years unless we add some veteran talent. The way I see it, swapping Hinrich for Artest will help us win more games over the next few years and create more of a winning culture. Artest fills our need for a tough defender capable of guarding opposing stars. I know everyone thinks Hinrich is a "hard-nosed defender" but Artest is 5000% better. Who cares if Ted's money is tied up somewhere if there aren't better options available?

[tontoz]

Artest is 31 and looks like he is definitely on the decline. I don't think he is quite the stopper he used to be. Also his TS% of 50% is pretty weak for a guy who isn't being asked to create his own shots. He is not noted for his shot selection or IQ and this team already has issues in those areas.

I haven't looked at the available free agents available down the road but if the team decides to add salary now I am confident they can do better than Artest.

Clearing out cap space has certainly worked for Miami, Chicago and NY. It hasn't worked out yet for NJ but they will have other opportunities.

[nate33]

You're living in the past 507Mack. Artest simply isn't that good anymore. Rashard Lewis is a better player. Besides, we aren't being destroyed by SF's these days. It's PG's that are killing us (when Wall is guarding them, that is). Hinrich fills a much bigger hole in our lineup. I wouldn't trade Hinrich for Artest if their contracts were identical. I certainly wouldn't trade for Artest's existing contract.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Bynum's a temperamental guy who seems to always be injured. His PER probably is aided by having Kobe, Odom, Gasol And Fisher as teammates--every look Bynum gets is a good one. nate could be right about Bynum not being injury-prone, but I wouldn't deal Hinrich and McGee for Bynum unless McGee starts getting too much RFA attention and a potentially huge deal.

A Hinrich deal to LAL would have to send Blake elsewhere, along with another big enough contract to match Kirk's $9M. Luke Walton has a deal in that range with Blake's. Here's the best I can think of at the moment:

Wizards send Kirk and Al Thornton to LAL
Wizard receive Steve Blake, Luke Walton, Devin Ebanks, Lakers 2011 1st round pick

Kirk is the perimeter defender they need and Al Thornton can give them energetic play on both ends as they grind through. Al can fill in while Artest is in Phil Jackson's doghouse and Matt Barnes is injured. Thornton might be even better for LAL than Kirk. Plus he's already played there for years. Gives Hinrich and Thornton new life like Butler, Stevenson, and Haywood got.

For the Wizards Ebanks might be a player to grow into a fine utility defender at Sf/SG. The late first might land Faried.

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