Beeston: Jays should have 140-150 million payroll

[Skin Blues]

Fielder has averaged 4.75 WAR per year over the last 4 years. Could we not get pretty close to that out of first bse by simly platooning Lind, and EE with a whole let less risk?

No, not at all. WAR wouldn't even be close, and it would take up twice as many roster spots. Even with full playing time for Lind and Edwin last year they combined for 1.5 WAR. Imagine that number if they shared a single spot.

Even during Lind's amazing 2009, Prince doubled him in WAR. The value of a slugger like him cannot be overlooked. And yeah I'm sure he's lived in Toronto. His dad played here for the first 4 years of his life. I remember reading in 1996 about Cecil's 12 year old son hitting a BP homer in Tiger Stadium, which obviously turned out to be Prince.

[hyper316]

Fielder has averaged 4.75 WAR per year over the last 4 years. Could we not get pretty close to that out of first bse by simly platooning Lind, and EE with a whole let less risk?

No, not at all. WAR wouldn't even be close, and it would take up twice as many roster spots. Even with full playing time for Lind and Edwin last year they combined for 1.5 WAR. Imagine that number if they shared a single spot.

Even during Lind's amazing 2009, Prince doubled him in WAR. The value of a slugger like him cannot be overlooked. And yeah I'm sure he's lived in Toronto. His dad played here for the first 4 years of his life. I remember reading in 1996 about Cecil's 12 year old son hitting a BP homer in Tiger Stadium, which obviously turned out to be Prince.

my first thought was exactly, thx for pulling up some stats Skin Blues. Prince is one of the top 1B. Slide Lind back to DH where he did pretty well in 2009.

[hyper316]

I would love if they went out and got Fielder. He's far from one dimensional, unless that one dimension is creating a ton of runs. He's got elite on-base and slugging skills, which are by far the two most important components of a hitter. Yeah, he's fat. Big deal. Getting him would be a huge step forward for this team, something that all of this salary dumping and prospect accumulating can culminate into.

No doubt Fielder is an elite slugger...

But then so is Adam Dunn...and he signed for 56 million over 4 years

(obviously age factors into the length of contract)


I guess I just don't view Fielder as a franchise player...

56 mill over 4 years is 14mill per year. that's not a big deal if Prince signs something in that range compared to a 140-150 mill team salary. you can still go out an get another elite franchise player

[Skin Blues]

Exactly. And at some point you have to realize that you might have to overspend for a hitter like Prince because they're not always available. Maybe the $/WAR ratio is a bit high but you have to spend money somewhere, and adding all that value in one roster spot is quite a luxury. He's actually been extremely durable thus far too, although as he gets older that could change. I'd be ecstatic if we picked him up for playoff runs in 2012-2015 when he's in his late 20s/early 30s. Who else are we going to sign with all that cash? Plus the Yanks and Sox are set at 1B so what better time to make a splash than when those two aren't driving the price up?

[Hendrix]

Fielder has averaged 4.75 WAR per year over the last 4 years. Could we not get pretty close to that out of first bse by simly platooning Lind, and EE with a whole let less risk?

No, not at all. WAR wouldn't even be close, and it would take up twice as many roster spots. Even with full playing time for Lind and Edwin last year they combined for 1.5 WAR. Imagine that number if they shared a single spot.

Even during Lind's amazing 2009, Prince doubled him in WAR. The value of a slugger like him cannot be overlooked. And yeah I'm sure he's lived in Toronto. His dad played here for the first 4 years of his life. I remember reading in 1996 about Cecil's 12 year old son hitting a BP homer in Tiger Stadium, which obviously turned out to be Prince.

If you just used Lind against right handed pitchers, and EE against left haned pitchers it would probably be pretty close. the reason Lind's WAR was so crappy last year was because he hit something like .380ops against left hanaded pitchers so playing the full season that your're talking about isn't exactly an advantage.

For example.

Lind against right handers over the last 3 years- .884ops
Lind against left handers over the last 3 years- .598ops

EE against right handers over the last 3 years- .747ops
EE against left handers over the last 3 years- .888ops

So if Lind were to start 1st base against right handers, and EE were to start against left hanedrs then you should have a reasonable expectation of ~.886ops. Fielder over the last few years has averaged a .922 ops. There's a difference there but I'm not sure it's worth all that money, and the commitments, and risk that come along with it. Especialy given his health issues Plus if Fielder turns into a DH in a few years if his defense slips even further then his WAR's going to go down even further.

[Evermore]

I would love if they went out and got Fielder. He's far from one dimensional, unless that one dimension is creating a ton of runs. He's got elite on-base and slugging skills, which are by far the two most important components of a hitter. Yeah, he's fat. Big deal. Getting him would be a huge step forward for this team, something that all of this salary dumping and prospect accumulating can culminate into.

No doubt Fielder is an elite slugger...

But then so is Adam Dunn...and he signed for 56 million over 4 years

(obviously age factors into the length of contract)


I guess I just don't view Fielder as a franchise player...

56 mill over 4 years is 14mill per year. that's not a big deal if Prince signs something in that range compared to a 140-150 mill team salary. you can still go out an get another elite franchise player

This is just a guess...

But I think it will take at least 160 million over 8 years to land Fielder. That's 20 per...

I'd rather give that money to player who looks like he's on steroids...or at least owns a gym pass


Like I said, someone with his body type may have a difficult time remaining healthy...