Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[sunny]

Honestly, get off your high horse dude. I tried to tell you nicely but you don't get it. Who the F are you anyway?

How do you know if this guy has seen Gilchrist or Irving play? Ever heard of the internet.

I'm getting tired of this crap. It's a goddamn basketball forum so people are talking about prospects.

And going back in this thread many people could've ripped you over some of your comments because it doesn't seem like you know what the F you're talking about either.

Give it a rest and have a discussion. Ask people why they like certain prospects and I'm sure they'll tell you exactly why.

I understand what you mean, and i'll try to be less condescending but I really hate when people make posts like that. The same post would have been made last year, -- oh john wall isn't good enough, lets tank for barnes. Oh, blake isn't good enough, lets tank for wall etc.

and if i make a post that you don't agree with it, please call me out on it.

[5DOM]

Why do you keep telling people what they can and can not post? Man you are annoying.

cause its extremely annoying to hear people post stuff that doesnt make sense

Then you should probably stick to your diary not an internet forum

[sunny]

I like Gilchrist more than Irving to be honest with you. Not sure what Irving projects out to be but I don't think he's a John Wall/Rose/Paul elite type guard. Gilchrist sounds like he can dominate his position. This draft year is looking less and less impressive. Jared Sullinger is a very poor man's Griffin or a Kevin Love/Dawkins player in terms of talent and he's number 1??? Bargnani draft year again.

Maybe we suck one more year and get Gilchrist.

uchhhh

you have not seen gilchrist play. you also probably have not seen irving play. please stop posting based on other peoples rankings and your pipe dreams on how you react to their scouting reports.

Ive seen Gilchrist play a few times, so does that mean I get to have a seat next to your high horse?

there is an obvious difference in your post and the guy I quoted. I value and appreciate hearing an opinion like yours because you've actually seen him play; not just heard about his play.

[Rude Boy 1]

Why do you keep telling people what they can and can not post? Man you are annoying.

cause its extremely annoying to hear people post stuff that doesnt make sense

Something about a pot and kettle needs to be mentioned here.

[Kevin Willis]

Sunny,
I haven't seen Gilchrist play. That's why I asked who has seen him play. I received opinions from people who have seen him play to get a sense of the type of player he is. Then I assessed our need for a quality starting SF and said I would prefer his all-around game and his reputation/demonstration of being a very good defensive player. Then I said would prefer him to Irving based off of people who's opinion I respected on this forum. I've seen Irving play before he was hurt and in high school. He's a very good player, excellent player but in my opinion he's not of the caliber of a Wall or Rose who looked like they were toying with people in the NCAA. And he's like 6'2, JB's height so he's not a tall guard.

I didn't know I can't post my opinion on this board. But Sunny and I have disagreed before so maybe it's his payback at me. I should've known better to ask about draft prospects on a draft thread though. Someone of my small basketball knowledge should stay quiet.

[sunny]

Kevin, im sorry how I cam off. I welcome hearing your opinion. What I should have specified is when people say they haven't seen a player and then begin to judge them bugs me.

For example, you wrote:
I like Gilchrist more than Irving to be honest with you

I would love to hear your thoughts on Michael; I just find it frustrating when its based on a collection of opinions that are not your own.

I have not seen Michael play since this summer but would be happy to give you my thoughts on him if you like.

[Kingsforlife]

Next opponent for future Raptor Donatas Motiejunas is Fabi Shoes on the 6th

[LargeBabyDavis]

How do you guys feel about Enes Kanter. Hes my third choice behind Perry Jones and Kyrie Irving.

[Kevin Willis]

Kevin, im sorry how I cam off. I welcome hearing your opinion. What I should have specified is when people say they haven't seen a player and then begin to judge them bugs me.

For example, you wrote:
I like Gilchrist more than Irving to be honest with you

I would love to hear your thoughts on Michael; I just find it frustrating when its based on a collection of opinions that are not your own.

I have not seen Michael play since this summer but would be happy to give you my thoughts on him if you like.

Actually I would like to know. He seems to fit our need for a defensive SF - what do you think of him? My opinion is that a good, young SF is becoming more of a commodity in NBA than a PG and Gilchrist would be better for the Raptors. This year has some good SFs and we should look in that direction. I saw the BYU - New Mexico game and fell for Leonard. Actually sunny, how does Gilchrist stack up against the SFs available in this year's draft who I know more about.

[Kevin Willis]

How do you guys feel about Enes Kanter. Hes my third choice behind Perry Jones and Kyrie Irving.

He dominated in the World vs. US game. He doesn't play above the rim but he's hardnosed and skilled. It's hard to say how his game will translate and I think once the draft period heats up he will drop for people with more perceived upside. In the log run, he will be a quality player. I would say a bigger Scola, Landryish maybe. I like him and he's tough too. He's also the type of big we don't have which is nice.

[sunny]

Gilchrist is very very powerful. Strong on the ball and knows how to get to the basket. He can pass well and passes a lot. He could probably be used as point forward. He is known for being very tenacious defensively and a great rebounder. Although that may be true, it hasn't jumped out at me as being the best defensive player his age or anything. He did great at the peachjam against good competition and his D was strong then, but as I said before, it wasn't like god-like best d ever type of stuff IMO.

His only flaw I can think of is his shooting/mid range game. He's great at setting up plays and driving but his shot needs some work. Thats to be expected and not really a flaw, just something he needs to work on at the next level. The only other thing I could say is that I saw him play after coming back from injury, and you could tell he just wasn;t the same. He relies on his athleticism a lot.

in terms of comparing him to guys in this draft. Harrison Barnes is the only one who is a real sf that I'd like to see at the next level. Barnes IMO was better in highschool, but obviously has struggled on a stagnant unc team.

Gilchrist looks like a great prospect, but IMO is not on the same level as guys like oden/lbj who warranted tanking a whole additional season for. Sure the raps would love to have him, but he shouldnt even be thought of in our plans for finding a sf this summer.

[TheRealDeal]

good fox sports article on Harrison Barnes today

http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/the_black_falcon_has_finally_landed/4084400

[sunny]

Unless its a prospect like Andre Drummond, I don't think people should put that much stock into prospects more than a year away in terms of the nba draft. Development fluctuates so much. Moving onto different teams with different competition really impacts players. Very hard to predict.

[Kevin Willis]

Gilchrist is very very powerful. Strong on the ball and knows how to get to the basket. He can pass well and passes a lot. He could probably be used as point forward. He is known for being very tenacious defensively and a great rebounder. Although that may be true, it hasn't jumped out at me as being the best defensive player his age or anything. He did great at the peachjam against good competition and his D was strong then, but as I said before, it wasn't like god-like best d ever type of stuff IMO.

His only flaw I can think of is his shooting/mid range game. He's great at setting up plays and driving but his shot needs some work. Thats to be expected and not really a flaw, just something he needs to work on at the next level. The only other thing I could say is that I saw him play after coming back from injury, and you could tell he just wasn;t the same. He relies on his athleticism a lot.

in terms of comparing him to guys in this draft. Harrison Barnes is the only one who is a real sf that I'd like to see at the next level. Barnes IMO was better in highschool, but obviously has struggled on a stagnant unc team.

Gilchrist looks like a great prospect, but IMO is not on the same level as guys like oden/lbj who warranted tanking a whole additional season for. Sure the raps would love to have him, but he shouldnt even be thought of in our plans for finding a sf this summer.

Hmm, so you wouldn't put Perry in the safe field as Barnes? Perry is in a weaker conference than Barnes so comparing stats would be hard but Perry is 3 inches taller and long as hell. Perry can't shoot the three and Barnes looks like a more natural SF with his perimeter game. I know Barnes has been tearing it up of late but I've only seen a couple games earlier this year and it was tough to see the hype. The SF from Kentucky is nice too but our pick is going to be high so there's no need to look at him. Also who can change around a lottery team? Perry or Harrison?

[Reignman]

good fox sports article on Harrison Barnes today

http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/the_black_falcon_has_finally_landed/4084400

Thanks. I think the article mentions the most important thing, the fact that he's playing with Marshall now. That should've been done a long time ago by Roy Williams because the guard play prior to these games was abysmal.

[Reignman]

Gilchrist is very very powerful. Strong on the ball and knows how to get to the basket. He can pass well and passes a lot. He could probably be used as point forward. He is known for being very tenacious defensively and a great rebounder. Although that may be true, it hasn't jumped out at me as being the best defensive player his age or anything. He did great at the peachjam against good competition and his D was strong then, but as I said before, it wasn't like god-like best d ever type of stuff IMO.

His only flaw I can think of is his shooting/mid range game. He's great at setting up plays and driving but his shot needs some work. Thats to be expected and not really a flaw, just something he needs to work on at the next level. The only other thing I could say is that I saw him play after coming back from injury, and you could tell he just wasn;t the same. He relies on his athleticism a lot.

in terms of comparing him to guys in this draft. Harrison Barnes is the only one who is a real sf that I'd like to see at the next level. Barnes IMO was better in highschool, but obviously has struggled on a stagnant unc team.

Gilchrist looks like a great prospect, but IMO is not on the same level as guys like oden/lbj who warranted tanking a whole additional season for. Sure the raps would love to have him, but he shouldnt even be thought of in our plans for finding a sf this summer.

Hmm, so you wouldn't put Perry in the safe field as Barnes? Perry is in a weaker conference than Barnes so comparing stats would be hard but Perry is 3 inches taller and long as hell. Perry can't shoot the three and Barnes looks like a more natural SF with his perimeter game. I know Barnes has been tearing it up of late but I've only seen a couple games earlier this year and it was tough to see the hype. The SF from Kentucky is nice too but our pick is going to be high so there's no need to look at him. Also who can change around a lottery team? Perry or Harrison?

Right now I'm not sure there's anyone in this draft that's really going to change the fortunes of a lottery team, Irving might be the closest.

Even LBJ couldn't take Cleveland to the playoffs in his rookie year so it goes to show how much of a jump it is from HS / College to the pros.

[Yeezus_]

I really think Harrison Barnes will end up rising in mock drafts eventually. He has all the tools and had plenty of hype coming out of HS.

[tcee]

Hmm, so you wouldn't put Perry in the safe field as Barnes? ... Also who can change around a lottery team? Perry or Harrison?

Right now I'm not sure there's anyone in this draft that's really going to change the fortunes of a lottery team, Irving might be the closest.

Even LBJ couldn't take Cleveland to the playoffs in his rookie year so it goes to show how much of a jump it is from HS / College to the pros.

perry seems to me as a high-risk high-reward kind of player, whereas barnes is a "what you see is what you get" kind of guy, which isn't a bad thing as long as he keeps up his level of play. personally as i've mentioned before, perry isn't as good a fit as barnes is on the raptors, but when the time comes... bpa attitude right? at this time i would prefer to take barnes just because he seems to fit our needs a little bit better than pj.

[sunny]

Gilchrist is very very powerful. Strong on the ball and knows how to get to the basket. He can pass well and passes a lot. He could probably be used as point forward. He is known for being very tenacious defensively and a great rebounder. Although that may be true, it hasn't jumped out at me as being the best defensive player his age or anything. He did great at the peachjam against good competition and his D was strong then, but as I said before, it wasn't like god-like best d ever type of stuff IMO.

His only flaw I can think of is his shooting/mid range game. He's great at setting up plays and driving but his shot needs some work. Thats to be expected and not really a flaw, just something he needs to work on at the next level. The only other thing I could say is that I saw him play after coming back from injury, and you could tell he just wasn;t the same. He relies on his athleticism a lot.

in terms of comparing him to guys in this draft. Harrison Barnes is the only one who is a real sf that I'd like to see at the next level. Barnes IMO was better in highschool, but obviously has struggled on a stagnant unc team.

Gilchrist looks like a great prospect, but IMO is not on the same level as guys like oden/lbj who warranted tanking a whole additional season for. Sure the raps would love to have him, but he shouldnt even be thought of in our plans for finding a sf this summer.

Hmm, so you wouldn't put Perry in the safe field as Barnes? Perry is in a weaker conference than Barnes so comparing stats would be hard but Perry is 3 inches taller and long as hell. Perry can't shoot the three and Barnes looks like a more natural SF with his perimeter game. I know Barnes has been tearing it up of late but I've only seen a couple games earlier this year and it was tough to see the hype. The SF from Kentucky is nice too but our pick is going to be high so there's no need to look at him. Also who can change around a lottery team? Perry or Harrison?

Not a big fan of Perry Jones. I think his best attribute is his nba figure, but that doesn't necessarily make him a better player. Both are in good conferences (UNC has played more good teams I'd say but Baylor has had good competition). I don't Perry fits well as a pf with his skillset. He has a lot of things to work on and doesn't really appeal to me. Tjones is fine and will be a solid nba player, but he is too much of a tweener for me. Although he could end up playing some sort of SF in the nba, I don't think he'd be an ideal player to pair with DD.

I don't think any players in this years draft can turn a lottery team around. Not saying one wont do it, but wouldnt bank on anyone in particular.

[sunny]

good fox sports article on Harrison Barnes today

http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/the_black_falcon_has_finally_landed/4084400

Thanks. I think the article mentions the most important thing, the fact that he's playing with Marshall now. That should've been done a long time ago by Roy Williams because the guard play prior to these games was abysmal.

I have no idea whats been going on with Roy Williams the past 2 years.

So much talent; very poor play.