Official Game Thread:Nets vs 76ers

[8 Mile Ilic]

Trade Lopez!

[JoseRizal]

Philly is our Kryptonite...

[624]

Lou Williams the Net Killer

[624]

Philly is our Kryptonite...

The NBA is our Kyrptonite

[NyCeEvO]

I think more than half of the battle with Brook is being the right position. For some reason, he's never in the paint to collect a rebound. He's either being boxed out by someone or is waiting in the corner for a 20 ft jumper. Stick his behind in the post and tell him he can't leave until he gets 10 rebounds.

[isekii]

I think more than half of the battle with Brook is being the right position. For some reason, he's never in the paint to collect a rebound. He's either being boxed out by someone or is waiting in the corner for a 20 ft jumper. Stick his behind in the post and tell him he can't leave until he gets 10 rebounds.

From watching yesterday's game. A lot of the offensive rebounds by Philly were long rebounds.
But it also looked like our guys weren't really hustling for the ball either.

Hump and Favors got their share, but brook needs to put more effort in getting some rebounds

[Preludepunk27]

Can someone explain to me why we evolving into Knicks fans? I stream WFAN and skim the Knicks boards and they're been irrational for years whether it's trading a player or firing a coach after a few bad outings without regard to what is going on.

I know the fans that are acting like this in Netland (which in my years here have NEVER acted like this in such a big amount until this season) in regards to Brook and IMMEDIATELY are disregarding people's arguments toward Avery's coaching style, but easily 40% of this issue IS because of Avery Johnson's style, the other 40% is his development/learning curve and 20% is attitude.

First, with Brook's offense there is two things: 1) Avery's system plays Brook away from the basket more this makes Brook take more jumpers so he's rarely down low for the offensive rebounds. 2) Some people are not even paying attention to this, but Brook is trying to also develop a better face up game. A big knock on him was his lack of this and it makes him easier to defend. The Nets intentionally run plays to free him up on the baseline or elbows to work on his game in real situations. Playing in a real setting is the only way to have this fully develop. For christ's sake guys it's his 3rd year and the learning curve for a big man in the NBA is exponentially longer than a player at the 1, 2 or 3.

Second, in terms of defense there are a few things. You have to pay attention to who he is guarding on the floor and how the visiting team is running their offense. Some coaches will call plays to pull Brook off the block. Ask any coach how to diminish a solid big man on defense and 9 out of 10 at MINIMUM will tell you the best way is to simply take him out of the play all together. A counter to this would be switching to zone to keep Brook low but the fact our perimeter defense is atrocious, we can't succesfully execute this, which makes us play a lot of man which pulls Brook off the block like I mentioned. That puts pressure on Hump (who has been surpassing expectations) to MAKE SURE he grabs that rebound which makes him focus more on being active around the rim because HE HAS TO. The counter move to this is when the shot goes up, brook takes off to try to get a fast break it's more more difficult to defend a big man on the break if he can get position downlow quick. This is Avery's game plan when teams play us this way (which most of them do because we lack a #1 scorer.

I'm just telling you for people who don't realize, there are simple explainations to Brook's "issues." Hell even put Vince back on this team and these problems will go away relatively quickly.

The other 20% of his problem is his aggresiveness and not playing with a sense of urgency. This shouldn't be a surprise to ANYONE here. If you seriously saw him in college and thought he can play angry, you're mistaken. He won't learn to play this way until he gets a taste of the playoffs and wants to be back there or this team gets a veteran leader/#1 scorer to light a fire under him. Plain and simple. It's a reason why I was fine with pushing hard for Melo until we started giving into ALL of Denver's demands.

Time will tell but seriously guys, Brook is not the issue right now. Our inconsistancy for starters at the 2 and 3 position is THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD BE COMPLAINING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. Until we get that, Brook will remain like this. Our team right now is just waaaaaay to easy to game plan.

Feel free to completely disagree with me on any or all of this, but I'm telling you, dig deeper and you'll clearly see these are valid and real reasons for Brook's "issues."

[infam0us]

Can someone explain to me why we evolving into Knicks fans? I stream WFAN and skim the Knicks boards and they're been irrational for years whether it's trading a player or firing a coach after a few bad outings without regard to what is going on.

I know the fans that are acting like this in Netland (which in my years here have NEVER acted like this in such a big amount until this season) in regards to Brook and IMMEDIATELY are disregarding people's arguments toward Avery's coaching style, but easily 40% of this issue IS because of Avery Johnson's style, the other 40% is his development/learning curve and 20% is attitude.

First, with Brook's offense there is two things: 1) Avery's system plays Brook away from the basket more this makes Brook take more jumpers so he's rarely down low for the offensive rebounds. 2) Some people are not even paying attention to this, but Brook is trying to also develop a better face up game. A big knock on him was his lack of this and it makes him easier to defend. The Nets intentionally run plays to free him up on the baseline or elbows to work on his game in real situations. Playing in a real setting is the only way to have this fully develop. For christ's sake guys it's his 3rd year and the learning curve for a big man in the NBA is exponentially longer than a player at the 1, 2 or 3.

Second, in terms of defense there are a few things. You have to pay attention to who he is guarding on the floor and how the visiting team is running their offense. Some coaches will call plays to pull Brook off the block. Ask any coach how to diminish a solid big man on defense and 9 out of 10 at MINIMUM will tell you the best way is to simply take him out of the play all together. A counter to this would be switching to zone to keep Brook low but the fact our perimeter defense is atrocious, we can't succesfully execute this, which makes us play a lot of man which pulls Brook off the block like I mentioned. That puts pressure on Hump (who has been surpassing expectations) to MAKE SURE he grabs that rebound which makes him focus more on being active around the rim because HE HAS TO. The counter move to this is when the shot goes up, brook takes off to try to get a fast break it's more more difficult to defend a big man on the break if he can get position downlow quick. This is Avery's game plan when teams play us this way (which most of them do because we lack a #1 scorer.

I'm just telling you for people who don't realize, there are simple explainations to Brook's "issues." Hell even put Vince back on this team and these problems will go away relatively quickly.

The other 20% of his problem is his aggresiveness and not playing with a sense of urgency. This shouldn't be a surprise to ANYONE here. If you seriously saw him in college and thought he can play angry, you're mistaken. He won't learn to play this way until he gets a taste of the playoffs and wants to be back there or this team gets a veteran leader/#1 scorer to light a fire under him. Plain and simple. It's a reason why I was fine with pushing hard for Melo until we started giving into ALL of Denver's demands.

Time will tell but seriously guys, Brook is not the issue right now. Our inconsistancy for starters at the 2 and 3 position is THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD BE COMPLAINING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. Until we get that, Brook will remain like this. Our team right now is just waaaaaay to easy to game plan.

Feel free to completely disagree with me on any or all of this, but I'm telling you, dig deeper and you'll clearly see these are valid and real reasons for Brook's "issues."

Well said