Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Ruzious]

Jav does have 30 or so pounds on Krazy Keon (when he played), so I hope he's stronger.

[theboomking]

Hey guys, I posted this in the general trade forum, but wanted your thoughts. NJ seems somewhat amenable to moving Favors, and I was wondering if we had any ammunition to get him without giving up this year's 1st, or Wall. For me, nothing else would be off limits. NJ already has Kris Humphries who produces at a decent level at PF and isn't too old. We would probably have to take back the bad contract of Outlaw.

Wash Sends:
Andray Blatche
Nick Young (RFA)
Al Thornton (expiring)
2012 1st top 5 protected -> 2013 unprotected

Washington Receives:
Travis Outlaw
Derrick Favors

NJ Sends:
Travis Outlaw
Derrick Favors

NJ Receives:
Andray Blatche
Nick Young (RFA)
Al Thornton (expiring)
2012 1st top 5 protected ->2013 unprotected

Trade ID #5834010
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5834010

[LyricalRico]

Wash Sends:
Andray Blatche
Nick Young (RFA)
Al Thornton (expiring)
2012 1st top 5 protected -> 2013 unprotected

Washington Receives:
Travis Outlaw
Derrick Favors

Hmmm, very interesting. If you break it into two parts it looks like this:

Part 1 - Blatche for Outlaw
Part 2 - Young+Thornton+pick for Favors

Looks pretty even to me, especially since the pick isn't until 2012.

[Ruzious]

I'd be hesitant to trade for Favors until he shows more. His offensive game has a long way to go, and I'm not sure he and Jav would make a good combo. Going after Humphries when he's a UFA this offseason might be a lot smarter - as he's under-appreciated and works his arse off at both ends (hmm, that might not have come out right) game after game.

[willbcocks]

I do that favors trade, no question. Favors is still 19 years old (I think he's the youngest player in the league). He is a legit building block that is the same age and has the same contract as Wall. We're unlikely to get a player of his caliber outside of a top 5 pick, which, nicely, is how this one is protected.

Outlaw, while egregiously overpayed, is not a bad player. He is long and can shoot the three. His skills would be a good fit on the team, the only drawback being he doesn't have enough of them.

We would have the foundation of an absurdly long and athletic team, like maybe the longest team in NBA history. And we would be consolidating talent and reducing the number of question marks, making it much easier to focus our rebuilding. I give that trade two thumbs up.

[Benjammin]

Wash Sends:
Andray Blatche
Nick Young (RFA)
Al Thornton (expiring)
2012 1st top 5 protected -> 2013 unprotected

Washington Receives:
Travis Outlaw
Derrick Favors

Hmmm, very interesting. If you break it into two parts it looks like this:

Part 1 - Blatche for Outlaw
Part 2 - Young+Thornton+pick for Favors

Looks pretty even to me, especially since the pick isn't until 2012.

It doesn't look fair to me at all for NJ. What is their motivation? Favors is a serious building block or trade piece. Frankly I think the Nets would laugh if the Wizards offered this.

[Illuminaire]

At the same time, the Nets appeared ready to sink their entire future by going all-in on Melo. They do not appear to have the same patient approach that Leonsis is preaching, and could be vulnerable to quick-fix trade suggestions.

[dangermouse]

Nets are definitely one of those teams who would trade away youth for a quick fix. That Russian fella that owns them said he wants a championship in a very short space of time. Unlike Cleveland's owner, i think they actually mean it. If they were to chill out and just build up a bit more through the draft they would probably have a chance. Their roster doesnt match the 'win now' perogative. Im glad we arent in that mess.

[Dat2U]

At the same time, the Nets appeared ready to sink their entire future by going all-in on Melo. They do not appear to have the same patient approach that Leonsis is preaching, and could be vulnerable to quick-fix trade suggestions.

When I think of quick fix, Nick Young & Andray Blatche aren't the first options that pop into my head.

I'd love it to happen but there's no way the Nets make that trade.

With the way Blatche has been playing, he's destroyed any trade value he may have had before this season. In fact, he might have negative value at this stage.

[verbal8]

At the same time, the Nets appeared ready to sink their entire future by going all-in on Melo. They do not appear to have the same patient approach that Leonsis is preaching, and could be vulnerable to quick-fix trade suggestions.

When I think of quick fix, Nick Young & Andray Blatche aren't the first options that pop into my head.

I'd love it to happen but there's no way the Nets make that trade.

With the way Blatche has been playing, he's destroyed any trade value he may have had before this season. In fact, he might have negative value at this stage.

I think EG er I mean Lyrical Rico was accurate in his assessment that it would essentially breakdown into a Blatche/Outlaw deal and Young/Thornton/1st for Favors. I think it is pretty hard to sell a trade that gives up Favor and gets back Nick Young.

I think the Nets might have some interest in trading for Nick Young and even Thornton.

WAS gives up:
Young
Hinrich
Thornton

NJN give up:
Morrow
Troy Murphy

While Morrow doesn't have the upside of Nick Young he is locked into a reasonable 3 year deal. He also is an extremely good shooter and he might help open things up paired with Wall. Murphy was terrible this season but he expires. If he did regain his form having a skilled post player who can rebound would be a good alternative when Blatche is struggling.

The Nets are probably not keen on taking on Hinrich's deal. However with Humphries playing well this season they will have to make a move to keep max cap space. They definitely have the draft picks to move Hinrich if he is getting in the way of signing a max free agent. Also they could package Hinrich and Harris for a max FA in a S&T scenario. Young and possibly Thornton also give them a plan B if they get much in the FA market.

[Nivek]

What's the point of that trade for the Wizards? Morrow is basically Nick Young-lite. I think the Wiz should trade Young, but they should get more than cap relief. They need to someone with a more rounded game, or a pick if they're going to part with Young.

[Illuminaire]

Arr, no thanks. The Wizards are all about upside right now. If all we want is a one-dimensional sniper 7th man quality player, we can get that for the MLE when the rest of our roster is in place. What we're doing right now is looking for cornerstones - any consolidation trade MUST bring back a foundational player, or it's not worth doing.

[nate33]

Reading more about Bogut on the Trade Board. I really think Ernie needs to take a shot at acquiring him. Forget the terrible shooting this year. Forget his offense altogether. Bogut is an elite defender and rebounder. He will single-handedly transform our D from one of the worst to above-average, if not one of the best. And I'm sure he knows how to set a screen better than McGee does.

If it's too much to give up our 2011 1st, but maybe we can get him for McGee plus agreeing to absorb the bad contract of either Gooden or Maggette. Something like:

Washington trades: McGee + Hinrich + Yi + Thornton
Milwaukee trades: Bogut + Maggette

(Maybe send Hinrich to a 3rd party for an expiring contract.)

With a core of Wall, Bogut, Young and our 2011 1st, we should be in great shape:

PG Wall/Shakur
SG Young/Maggette
SF Lewis/Maggette
PF Kanter/Blatche/Booker
C Bogut/Blatche/Seraphin

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Reading more about Bogut on the Trade Board. I really think Ernie needs to take a shot at acquiring him. Forget the terrible shooting this year. Forget his offense altogether. Bogut is an elite defender and rebounder. He will single-handedly transform our D from one of the worst to above-average, if not one of the best. And I'm sure he knows how to set a screen better than McGee does.

If it's too much to give up our 2011 1st, but maybe we can get him for McGee plus agreeing to absorb the bad contract of either Gooden or Maggette. Something like:

Washington trades: McGee + Hinrich + Yi + Thornton
Milwaukee trades: Bogut + Maggette

(Maybe send Hinrich to a 3rd party for an expiring contract.)

With a core of Wall, Bogut, Young and our 2011 1st, we should be in great shape:

PG Wall/Shakur
SG Young/Maggette
SF Lewis/Maggette
PF Kanter/Blatche/Booker
C Bogut/Blatche/Seraphin

As much as I dislike Maggette I'd take a chance on him to acquire Bogut. He's 26 and ideally on the cusp of his prime. What's his contract situation? He's signed for about 10 mil a year through 2013, correct? I'll admit I haven't seen much of him since he came back from his injury, but I've always liked his game.

[nate33]

Arr, no thanks. The Wizards are all about upside right now. If all we want is a one-dimensional sniper 7th man quality player, we can get that for the MLE when the rest of our roster is in place. What we're doing right now is looking for cornerstones - any consolidation trade MUST bring back a foundational player, or it's not worth doing.

Agreed.

And watching Nick Young during the fourth quarter against New Orleans has me believing that we haven't seen his ultimate upside yet. Young was relatively off from the perimeter yet New Orleans still couldn't stop him from getting to the rack. If Young continues to develop his dribble penetration game, look out.

I just don't understand why anyone would want to trade Young right now. We're not going to acquire a better young player with 2012 cap space unless Dwight Howard decides to leave Orlando. We've got an athletic, young, hard-working player at a position of need with the perfect skillset to complement Wall, and people want to get rid of him.

Did anybody notice my post on the Bean Burrito thread? Young's counterpart PER is an insanely low 10.6. Nobody scores on him.

[tontoz]

Arr, no thanks. The Wizards are all about upside right now. If all we want is a one-dimensional sniper 7th man quality player, we can get that for the MLE when the rest of our roster is in place. What we're doing right now is looking for cornerstones - any consolidation trade MUST bring back a foundational player, or it's not worth doing.

Agreed.

And watching Nick Young during the fourth quarter against New Orleans has me believing that we haven't seen his ultimate upside yet. Young was relatively off from the perimeter yet New Orleans still couldn't stop him from getting to the rack. If Young continues to develop his dribble penetration game, look out.

I just don't understand why anyone would want to trade Young right now. We're not going to acquire a better young player with 2012 cap space unless Dwight Howard decides to leave Orlando. We've got an athletic, young, hard-working player at a position of need with the perfect skillset to complement Wall, and people want to get rid of him.

Did anybody notice my post on the Bean Burrito thread? Young's counterpart PER is an insanely low 10.6. Nobody scores on him.

I don't get it either.

[Hoopalotta]

That Bogut trade - or even one a little bit sweeter for the Bucks - would be one of the few consolidation trades for an established eight figure player that I'd endorse. Bogut's close to good enough to where it's not that far off from 'one player away' type deal for me to bite considering that we're talking about a two way center. And ideally we'd draft a solid impact player this year and figure a way to carve out a chunk of cap space to where he doesn't even have to be that singular chip.

But I think the Bucks would try and pry a bit more off us. A slightly protected 2012 1st wouldn't kill it for me, though they might go further than that and there'd be a point a little ways past that where I'd balk.

[TGW]

Nate -- I think most of us are a little pessimistic when it comes to whether Nick can sustain his play for the life of a brand new, long-term contract. Personally, I am a NY fan, but the realist in me says we should be careful in rewarding a player that is in his contract year, and putting up big numbers on a really bad team. We've been burned in the past so many times in the past (Blatche included).

I would trade him to the Bulls for that Cats pick and maybe Asik and Bogans, but only because I think we are not in a position to be giving out long-term contracts right now.

[Nivek]

Arr, no thanks. The Wizards are all about upside right now. If all we want is a one-dimensional sniper 7th man quality player, we can get that for the MLE when the rest of our roster is in place. What we're doing right now is looking for cornerstones - any consolidation trade MUST bring back a foundational player, or it's not worth doing.

Agreed.

And watching Nick Young during the fourth quarter against New Orleans has me believing that we haven't seen his ultimate upside yet. Young was relatively off from the perimeter yet New Orleans still couldn't stop him from getting to the rack. If Young continues to develop his dribble penetration game, look out.

I just don't understand why anyone would want to trade Young right now. We're not going to acquire a better young player with 2012 cap space unless Dwight Howard decides to leave Orlando. We've got an athletic, young, hard-working player at a position of need with the perfect skillset to complement Wall, and people want to get rid of him.

Did anybody notice my post on the Bean Burrito thread? Young's counterpart PER is an insanely low 10.6. Nobody scores on him.

I continue to remain dubious about automated counterpart stats. There's soooooooo much more to defense that just doesn't get captured. Kyle Weidie at TruthAboutIt did some defensive responsibility tracking for the Wizards-Hornets game and came up with a markedly different assessment of Young's defense. According to Kyle's analysis, Young was personally responsible allowing 20 of New Orleans' 97 points.

As for why to trade Young now. Because he's not a building block, he's a spare part -- and an iffy one at that. I don't trust him, and I'd rather move him now for a future asset than get stuck letting him walk away for nothing, or get stuck paying him. He'd need to be on a cheap deal, but his points per game will raise the price. The more he gets paid, the more acutely the team will feel his limitations. Because every dollar Young gets is one they can't spend on a true building block.

[LyricalRico]

Love the Bogut trade nate...except for the Maggette part. I'd much rather have Gooden, both for chemistry and so we'd be free to dump Blatche for another perimeter defender, like Josh Childress. But I'd still do the deal either way. Get on it, Ernie!