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LyricalRico wrote:Love the Bogut trade nate...except for the Maggette part. I'd much rather have Gooden, both for chemistry and so we'd be free to dump Blatche for another perimeter defender, like Josh Childress. But I'd still do the deal either way. Get on it, Ernie!
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Nivek wrote:I continue to remain dubious about automated counterpart stats. There's soooooooo much more to defense that just doesn't get captured. Kyle Weidie at TruthAboutIt did some defensive responsibility tracking for the Wizards-Hornets game and came up with a markedly different assessment of Young's defense. According to Kyle's analysis, Young was personally responsible allowing 20 of New Orleans' 97 points.
As for why to trade Young now. Because he's not a building block, he's a spare part -- and an iffy one at that. I don't trust him, and I'd rather move him now for a future asset than get stuck letting him walk away for nothing, or get stuck paying him. He'd need to be on a cheap deal, but his points per game will raise the price. The more he gets paid, the more acutely the team will feel his limitations. Because every dollar Young gets is one they can't spend on a true building block.
TGW wrote:LyricalRico wrote:Love the Bogut trade nate...except for the Maggette part. I'd much rather have Gooden, both for chemistry and so we'd be free to dump Blatche for another perimeter defender, like Josh Childress. But I'd still do the deal either way. Get on it, Ernie!
What's with you're obsession with Childress? He is not a good player by any stretch, and he;s paid way too much money.
LyricalRico wrote:Love the Bogut trade nate...except for the Maggette part. I'd much rather have Gooden, both for chemistry and so we'd be free to dump Blatche for another perimeter defender, like Josh Childress. But I'd still do the deal either way. Get on it, Ernie!
Nivek wrote:I continue to remain dubious about automated counterpart stats. There's soooooooo much more to defense that just doesn't get captured. Kyle Weidie at TruthAboutIt did some defensive responsibility tracking for the Wizards-Hornets game and came up with a markedly different assessment of Young's defense. According to Kyle's analysis, Young was personally responsible allowing 20 of New Orleans' 97 points.
LyricalRico wrote:It's not so much that I love Childress, I just hate Blatche and I think a trade with PHX for Childress would be pretty easy to pull off.
Fine, Blatche for Outlaw. Better?
BanndNDC wrote:If Bogut is available for anything besides Wall and our next two lottery protected draft picks I think you have to do it.
Bogut would provide another actual building block. That would be a great trade and temper my distrust of EG.
Hoopalotta wrote:That Bogut trade - or even one a little bit sweeter for the Bucks - would be one of the few consolidation trades for an established eight figure player that I'd endorse. Bogut's close to good enough to where it's not that far off from 'one player away' type deal for me to bite considering that we're talking about a two way center. And ideally we'd draft a solid impact player this year and figure a way to carve out a chunk of cap space to where he doesn't even have to be that singular chip.
But I think the Bucks would try and pry a bit more off us. A slightly protected 2012 1st wouldn't kill it for me, though they might go further than that and there'd be a point a little ways past that where I'd balk.
Ruzious wrote:Rico, I disagree with you on the Maggette v Gooden issue. I do NOT want to be stuck with Gooden's act here for 4 years. Maggette's got a shorter contract and is the better player of the 2.
507Mack wrote:BanndNDC wrote:If Bogut is available for anything besides Wall and our next two lottery protected draft picks I think you have to do it.
Bogut would provide another actual building block. That would be a great trade and temper my distrust of EG.
Totally agree, but how realistic is this? I just don't think the Bucks are stupid enough to give up a skilled, defensive-minded 7-footer.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
nate33 wrote:LyricalRico wrote:It's not so much that I love Childress, I just hate Blatche and I think a trade with PHX for Childress would be pretty easy to pull off.
Fine, Blatche for Outlaw. Better?
If we trade McGee for Bogut, I think it would be a good idea to keep Blatche around. Bogut can be the goon in the paint and Blatche can get away with be a soft, skill player that he wants to be. Also, it would be useful to have Blatche around and play him at center in situations where we're looking to spread the floor offensively, or if we need reliable free throw shooters in crunch time.
I'm open to trading Blatche, but I wouldn't give him away for pennies on the dollar.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
dangermouse wrote:A Bucks trade involving Bogut assumes they are rebuilding. That seems to be the opinion of quite a few board posters, but does that correlate with what their FO might be thinking? 19-30, from a playoff team last year, are they thinking lets just ride it out and regroup 100% healthy next season and make another push? Or could we possibly offer them a 'quick fix' to push to a 7th/8th seed in exchange for a pick? Assuming they do:
Hinrich could help them out, Blatche could also work really well next to Bogut who is a good passer in the post. Those two + junk (Yi?) for Redd's expiring and a 1st. Redd is supposed to be on the way back (i think) so he can come off the bench for Nick. We get more Booker and Seraphin.
LyricalRico wrote:Listening to the Mr. Tony podcast from last Friday and David Aldridge mentioned that the Lakers have interest in Hirnich and the Wizards are willing to deal him if they can get young talent in return. DA said the Lakers aren't giving up Bynum, so a third team would have to be involved.
Can anybody think of a third team that would take what the Lakers would offer, while giving us something of value in a 3-way trade? I'm having trouble thinking of anybody.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I'll give it a shot, LR.
Wiz/Lakers/Cavs
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5838002
Wizards send Kirk Hinrich, 2012 1st round pick
Wizards receive Steve Blake, Derrick Fisher, SF/SG Christian Eyenga
Wizards agree to waive Fisher. Eyenga is potentially an elite defender.
Lakers send Ron Artest, Luke Walton, Steve Blake, Derrick Fisher, 2nd Round Pick
Lakers receive Kirk Hinrich, Antawn Jamison
Lakers call up Devin Ebanks and wait to re-sign Fisher. Lakers improve their perimeter defense and add a needed perimeter big. Takes Jamison from hell to heaven.
Cavaliers send Jamison, Eyenga
Cavaliers receive 2012 1st (protected), Artest, Walton, 2011 2nd Round pick
Gotta figure the Cavs think Artest is better than Jamison. Walton can pass. Scott gets a couple Lakers and a couple picks for AJ and a project.
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