[Official Knicks Board Community Board Thread] X-Rated NSFW

[cgmw]

I went to a website to buy tickets to a concert next month, and the tickets were sold out...every single seat. Sucks...

You got that Bieber fever?

[NBA Fan 1234]

I went to a website to buy tickets to a concert next month, and the tickets were sold out...every single seat. Sucks...

You got that Bieber fever?

You know it lol.

Nah...XV and Donnis (two of my favorite rappers) are touring with Travie McCoy...I was looking forward to going. Oh well...

[cgmw]

Am I the only Knick fan that likes the Bulls (they're my 2nd fav team) and Miami?

Obviously I hate both when they face the Knicks.

I f***king hate that sh*t. Growing up, so many kids tried to be both Knicks and Bulls fans because they had a frontrunning hard-on for MJ and all his rings. Not me. When PJ Brown bodyslammed Charlie Ward, I literally had to be restrained from running down there and trying to fight him. When Scottie Pippen clothes-lined Ewing, I wanted to throw batteries at his head. If you root for the Bulls or Heat, then you just don't get what it means to be a Knick fan. There's too much history, too many battles.

I respect Chicago. I respect Boston. I have absolutely no respect for Miami or Pat the Rat. But one thing's for sure, I hate them all with a passion. To me, that's part of being a Knicks fan. Sorry.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I went to a website to buy tickets to a concert next month, and the tickets were sold out...every single seat. Sucks...

You got that Bieber fever?

You know it lol.

Nah...XV and Donnis (two of my favorite rappers) are touring with Travie McCoy...I was looking forward to going. Oh well...

I just bought some tickets from some dude on Craigs List. Wasn't sure how it would work out, but we met in a mall parking lot and made the exchange there. Seemed to work out well. Don't have to worry about any of the other charges so was less then $15 more then face value per ticket...plus he gave me some VIP passes

[magnumt]

Just watched the final season of that show LOST.. such a great show and the ending was great if you can understand it.. great way and only way i think to end it. Been watch it since 04'.. sucks that it ended and kinda sad.. hopefully theirs a show as good as this though i doubt it.. havent watched a show that has come close to it.

P.S- that girl that play kate austen is one of the hottest girls ive ever seen

You know he died (well they all did), but he made the sacrifice for them, right?

--Mags

[CHARLYMURPHY]

Just watched the final season of that show LOST.. such a great show and the ending was great if you can understand it.. great way and only way i think to end it. Been watch it since 04'.. sucks that it ended and kinda sad.. hopefully theirs a show as good as this though i doubt it.. havent watched a show that has come close to it.

P.S- that girl that play kate austen is one of the hottest girls ive ever seen

You know he died (well they all did), but he made the sacrifice for them, right?

--Mags

Yea if you watched the whole show.. i liked how they reconnected the pilot episode and season 1 to the finale. Really brang back memories and i liked how the Island was a way to escape their problems from the real world and to figure them out together. Great ending when they all meet up and realize that the Island was the best time of their life and they were waiting in Limbo or Purgatory to move on together.

[magnumt]

^Yeah, it was a way for those who died to work out their issues before "moving on" so to speak.

--Mags

[richardhutnik]

Things are set for next Wednesday to get my back fixed. Things took a nosedive recently, making it hard to sleep. Hopefully this gets things fixed. Still no clue what happens after I get my back fixed. Hopefully networking with a business incubator in the area will translate some projects I am working on into a start up, or I am able to network my way into work some other way through this. Doing so much pro-bono work gets tiring.

- Rich

[egelband]

good luck, matey. recover quick. feel better!

[nyczlegacy]

hope it works out n u feel better bro a wise man 1nce said keep ya head up

[bringinhinkie]

What kind of surgery? Have you first ruled out everything else (since surgery should always always be last resort)? Have you looked into stuff like prolotherapy/prp injections? Also what is your diagnosis?

Sorry to hear about your back, mine's f*cked too..

[Subway Token]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94EEk2rZpU&feature=channel[/youtube]

How is this even humanly possible?!?! HHOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BelieveTheDream]

Im getting surgery to Rich....Its not my back I actually slipped real bad on black ice and landed all of my weight o nmy right shoulder and I dislocated it real bad and I have been in a loro pao ir sucks man, I wish you the best though and I wish you a speedy recovery and successful back surgery..

[AndroidMan]

Lost was a complete waste of my life. Please refrain from any discussions which remind me how horrible the show was.

Even the producer claimed he didn't really have a project outline and basically winged season 2-end. I wish I could get the time back from watching that dragged on series. First season was good but the rest was just utter crap.

[Rasho Brezec]

Anyone who hates on Lost is a member of Al-Qaeda.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

Lost was a complete waste of my life. Please refrain from any discussions which remind me how horrible the show was.

Even the producer claimed he didn't really have a project outline and basically winged season 2-end. I wish I could get the time back from watching that dragged on series. First season was good but the rest was just utter crap.

I think after season 3 they dragged it on.. season 6 was great though.. you cant hate lost no matter how much questions they didnt answer.. the show was just too good to not like.

[Jitpal]

I agree, in concept and ideal terms, open is better. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. Android is a perfect example. It should be great. The community makes it better, the best new parts get put back into the original source code and released into newer versions. The mass army of the community is better able to deal with incompatibilities and flaws by releasing fixes sooner. Someone thinks they can do it better so they fork the source code and create another version. Now people have the choice of choosing any version they want. It's a model used by various Linux Distros, XBMC and Wordpress, and for the most part it works great.

I think that's what Google envisioned and if that was what happened it would have been great. What Google didn't count on was the carriers. They messed the whole thing up, the great part of open is being twisted and distorted. Instead of the end user having choice, we are ending up with the carriers having choice and shoving it down the users throat. You want to use a different disto of Android? Sorry, we lock our bootloaders. You want to use the stock version of Android? Sorry, we give you our skin and you have to like it.

I think you are mistaking choice vs Open source software. At no point did I promote the virtues of open source projects. Whether or not open source software is beneficial to all is a different discussion altogether. I can see how someone could intertwine the 2 subjects when it relates to Android.

My argument was for choice. The choice to choose any keyboard of your liking, any manufacturer of your liking, and the ability to choose to use flash to have a more complete internet experience. Also many other options that are granted to Android users.

Just to reiterate, Android gives its users multiple options of choice when it comes to OS customization and enhancements. The fact is that Android at least gave its users an option with flash, unlike Apple who barred the door shut. We can continue to make this a discussion about open source and the carriers if you'd like, I can understand that when it comes to freewill and choice, Apple users are not winning that argument. And for the record, I don't think a single carrier has disabled flash to its users. Also from previews, flash is looking pretty stable and versatile on the new Honeycomb tablets.

As for the rest of your post, just to entertain your open source/carriers arguments for fun.....

You may argue that choice is eroded by the carriers, but I believe the carriers do not eliminate choice options for Android users. The biggest complaint against the carriers is that they install bloatware, skin the OS, and 1 manufacturer, Motorola has a locked boot loader. The manufacturers and carriers need a way to differentiate their products from their competitors who also use Android OS. Otherwise, all Android phones would look and act the same way in a stock experience. That's boring like iOS and its row of grids. The skins themselves do add value. The best of the skins, HTC Sense, is so popular that many of its elements have been replicated and sold on the Android market, beautiful widgets and friend feeds widgets.

The manufacturers and carriers need to add value to their devices, and IMHO they really don't interfere with the user experience, but enhance it for non power users, who may even like the skins and added widgets they provide. Even as a uber power user, I know how to hide or eliminate portions of the skin I don't care about. It's the beauty of choice.

You want to use Google Maps for navigation? Try (insert carrier) navigation for $9.99 per month instead. You want to get something off the Android market? Sorry use (insert 3rd party or carrier branded market). The Market replacement isn't there yet, but it will be. The writing is on the wall. There is a reason Google is putting their core apps on the marketplace and removing them from the OS. They know that carriers and device manufacturers would rather put their own, crappy versions on and forsake the good Google applications. Best part is they replace them with applications made by the highest bidder. It's a ritual for power Android users, as soon as they get their new phone, they try to remove most of the bloatware. Which carriers and device manufacturers lock to the core OS so you have to root it, the same as jailbreaking.

It's just a mess. It creates a horrible customer experience. Would I prefer open? In ideal cases, yes. I'll take the "closed" Apple ecosystem, at least it works. At least Apple is going to support it and make sure the carriers don't screw it up. Make no mistake, what the carriers are doing to Android is far worse than what you say Apple is doing. -Jitpal

The carriers will be foolish to bound their users to their own navigation program or their own market. They can't compete alone. Android market is well over 100k apps. Any manufacturer that wants to go against 100k apps is more then welcomed to do so, but I guarantee you customers will vote with their wallet. Stop making things up. No carrier would be foolish enough to eliminate core Google features. Even if they do, I can guarantee you customers will vote with their wallets.

Also your reasoning for Google decoupling its core apps from the rest of the OS is inaccurate. They are not placing the apps int he market for fear of the carriers blocking their services, but rather to be nimble in application updates. In the past, if Gmail required a major update then a user had to wait till the entire OS was updated. By decoupling the apps from the OS, Google can provide updates to its core apps much more frequently and with much less hassle. Try again.

Also carriers and manufacturers do not lock to the core so users are unable to root. That is false. Even the Nexus S is locked. All Android phones have permissions structure as do all *nix machines. If they didn't there would be sever security concerns as anyone could write to any part of their file system. User permissions have been around for quite a while. Android however encourages users to gain root access to their devices and play around as they wish. Every single Android phone out there has been rooted to my knowledge. Really not that hard of a procedure. A locked boot loader doesn't prevent a user achieving root. For the record, a locked boot loader only stops the installation of any rom except the original. Try again.

If you want to continue arguing about choice I am a willing participant, although I don't see how you can win that argument. If you'd like to change the argument to a more winnable format for yourself by discussing open source and carriers, I am game to that as well.

I also can write a War and Peace sized post but I'm going to try not to. Look, the main point I was trying to make is that while Android is "open" and the end user is given "choice" that those are both illusions in a practical sense. The carriers and device manufacturers have choice, the end user gets the short end of the stick. So for the end user the choice is made for by Apple or Sprint/T-Mo/AT&T/VZW & assorted Android device manufacturers. Here are some examples:

The real killers look to be in what Verizon has done with the device, including setting Bing Search as the default search client with no apparent ability to get Google Search back as the default. How in the world can you have an Android device without Google Search as the default? Then I read they also took and replaced Google Maps Navigation with their subscription based Verizon Navigator software. Are you serious? I read that it can be changed to Google Maps, but only after taking several steps that your new smartphone user may never figure out. I could understand if Sprint did this with Sprint Navigation since they bundle that service in for free with no cost to the consumer, but Verizon Navigator is $10/month and not as slick as Google Maps Navigation.

AT&T has crippled the Captivate too with a lock down on what appears in the Android Market, limited side loading of apps, and added their bloatware that cannot be removed. T-Mobile and Sprint have done a pretty good job of leaving the devices alone and I can recommend these two devices if you are looking for a Galaxy S smartphone. However, the T-Mobile Vibrant does have a bad GPS bug that must get fixed and Sprint does limit the customization of the center two buttons and adds some of their services, but at least the services are free.

US carriers have gone mad customizing perfectly fine devices and I wish every manufacturer had the pull of Apple to leave these smartphones the way they were designed to be used. The Galaxy S is a great product, but two of the four major US carriers have done what they can to cripple the experience to increase their revenues.

Link

In fact, the NAND write-blocking mechanism in the G2 is nearly identical to the one that HTC has included in the EVO 4G and other previous devices. Android modders say that it will eventually be cracked, just like every previous attempt by carriers and handset makers to impede third-party firmware modification. The issue of phone openness is worth exploring, but it's a lot broader and more nuanced than New America realizes.

Practically all carrier-subsidized Android handsets have some kind of mechanism in place to prevent users from installing custom third-party firmware. In order to circumvent these mechanisms, users have to obtain root access. The standard process for "rooting" an Android phone is to find a privilege escalation vulnerability (basically, a security hole) in the underlying Linux platform and exploit it in order to gain sufficient access to the device's filesystem and bootloader so that changes can be made.

Handset makers have developed increasingly sophisticated technical solutions to prevent the phone's platform-level software from being modified in the event that vulnerabilities are exploited. HTC has used a NAND write-blocking mechanism to protect against unauthorized changes on several handsets over the past year, including the HTC EVO 4G and a few others that also predate the G2. It's important to understand that the function of this lockdown is, ostensibly, to protect the user from malware like viruses and worms that might exploit platform vulnerabilities in order to modify the phone in a malicious way.

Link

According to the folks over at Good E-Reader, B&N is pulling its entire stock of Nook Colors from the shelves for the next two weeks. Initial rumors were that this was to prepare for the promised Froyo update, but now sources within Barnes & Noble are apparently saying that this is to install some sort of anti-rooting measure. While the reasoning behind their pulling the Nooks is still unconfirmed at this point, it appears to be fact that all Nook Colors are being systematically removed from shelves and online orders for about two weeks.

Link

The carriers and device manufacturers make the big choices just like Apple does on their devices. Now you're going to say that the power user gets around this stuff. That's awesome, there are far more average consumers and power users out there. Not to mention, if you are a power user you can jailbreak an iOS device with some one-click software, just like you can root with some one-click software. So of course people are going to vote with their wallets right? How did that turn out of the Nexus One?

Consumers, however, continue to vote with their wallets for crapware and lock-in by buying carrier-subsidized handsets. As Google discovered when it launched the Nexus One, the market for open phones is practically non-existent in the United States.

Link

Look we can go back and forth. I don't think I'm changing your mind and I've been through this rodeo enough to know that my mind won't be changed. I do respect your opinion though and I do own both iOS and Android devices. I exclusively use Chrome as my browser on my mac computers. Not hating on anything except Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon Wireless. -Jitpal

[oak3334]

Good luck.
Do your rehab. Don't stop early because your feeling better. It makes a huge difference.

[Jmonty580]

I dont know why, but why not?

[AndroidMan]

I also can write a War and Peace sized post but I'm going to try not to. Look, the main point I was trying to make is that while Android is "open" and the end user is given "choice" that those are both illusions in a practical sense. The carriers and device manufacturers have choice, the end user gets the short end of the stick. So for the end user the choice is made for by Apple or Sprint/T-Mo/AT&T/VZW & assorted Android device manufacturers. Here are some examples:

The real killers look to be in what Verizon has done with the device, including setting Bing Search as the default search client with no apparent ability to get Google Search back as the default. How in the world can you have an Android device without Google Search as the default? Then I read they also took and replaced Google Maps Navigation with their subscription based Verizon Navigator software. Are you serious? I read that it can be changed to Google Maps, but only after taking several steps that your new smartphone user may never figure out. I could understand if Sprint did this with Sprint Navigation since they bundle that service in for free with no cost to the consumer, but Verizon Navigator is $10/month and not as slick as Google Maps Navigation.

AT&T has crippled the Captivate too with a lock down on what appears in the Android Market, limited side loading of apps, and added their bloatware that cannot be removed. T-Mobile and Sprint have done a pretty good job of leaving the devices alone and I can recommend these two devices if you are looking for a Galaxy S smartphone. However, the T-Mobile Vibrant does have a bad GPS bug that must get fixed and Sprint does limit the customization of the center two buttons and adds some of their services, but at least the services are free.

US carriers have gone mad customizing perfectly fine devices and I wish every manufacturer had the pull of Apple to leave these smartphones the way they were designed to be used. The Galaxy S is a great product, but two of the four major US carriers have done what they can to cripple the experience to increase their revenues.

Well, like I said consumers will vote with their wallets or at the very least make complaints, which appear to be effective. I recently installed a leaked copy of the Verizon' Fascinate Froyo build. Guess what, Google is back as the default search provider. Guess someone realized that having Bing as a default search was a bad idea.

Also, Verizon never blocked Google's website and users were free to open their browsers and go directly to Google to conduct their searches. Either way, the problem with Bing defaulted as search provider has been resolved. Also Verizon never blocked the use of widgets either. Android users still had the ability to access data very efficiently and quickly. Verizon never took that right away from us.
At&t has a history of not allowing third party app installation. This is well known and why At&t has never gotten great grassroot support amongst the Android community. the Atrix is the last straw for AT&T. If they don't allow 3rd party installation out of the box then Atrix will not sell that well. Maybe it will since there is a wonder loader prog out there that bypasses AT&T restrictions. And let's be honest, the only people doing 3rd party sideloading are most likely your power users, who msot likely have found the solution. Not that big of an issue.

So basically your first linked argument is flawed because the experience has been changed on the Verizon fascinate. Also your second argument isn't that severe as it most likely effects power users, who will find a workaround.

In fact, the NAND write-blocking mechanism in the G2 is nearly identical to the one that HTC has included in the EVO 4G and other previous devices. Android modders say that it will eventually be cracked, just like every previous attempt by carriers and handset makers to impede third-party firmware modification. The issue of phone openness is worth exploring, but it's a lot broader and more nuanced than New America realizes.

Practically all carrier-subsidized Android handsets have some kind of mechanism in place to prevent users from installing custom third-party firmware. In order to circumvent these mechanisms, users have to obtain root access. The standard process for "rooting" an Android phone is to find a privilege escalation vulnerability (basically, a security hole) in the underlying Linux platform and exploit it in order to gain sufficient access to the device's filesystem and bootloader so that changes can be made.

Handset makers have developed increasingly sophisticated technical solutions to prevent the phone's platform-level software from being modified in the event that vulnerabilities are exploited. HTC has used a NAND write-blocking mechanism to protect against unauthorized changes on several handsets over the past year, including the HTC EVO 4G and a few others that also predate the G2. It's important to understand that the function of this lockdown is, ostensibly, to protect the user from malware like viruses and worms that might exploit platform vulnerabilities in order to modify the phone in a malicious way.

What's the importance of this link? From my research it appears people have been able to place a rom on the G2.

http://forum.androidcentral.com/g2-rooting-roms-hacks/

Android central even has their own subforum for G2 hacking.

According to the folks over at Good E-Reader, B&N is pulling its entire stock of Nook Colors from the shelves for the next two weeks. Initial rumors were that this was to prepare for the promised Froyo update, but now sources within Barnes & Noble are apparently saying that this is to install some sort of anti-rooting measure. While the reasoning behind their pulling the Nooks is still unconfirmed at this point, it appears to be fact that all Nook Colors are being systematically removed from shelves and online orders for about two weeks.

Ya I posted this link myself on the ereader thread. May be true or might not be true. Neither of us can argue this issue as it is just speculation.

The carriers and device manufacturers make the big choices just like Apple does on their devices. Now you're going to say that the power user gets around this stuff.

Do the manufacturers make big choices like remove widgets from Android? Do they make big decisions to limit you to only 1 keyboard? Do the manufacturers not allow you to run flash? Do the manufacturers really take that much away from the Android experience? I say no, but I understand if you feel differently. Problem with iphone users is choice. You can only choose Apple as your manufacturer. I have the ability to choose multiple manufacturers and am able to easily port my settings and applications over to any new Android device. I get to pick the manufacturer that builds the best phone according to my own criteria. Apple users are stuck with one size fits all.

Look we can go back and forth. I don't think I'm changing your mind and I've been through this rodeo enough to know that my mind won't be changed. I do respect your opinion though and I do own both iOS and Android devices. I exclusively use Chrome as my browser on my mac computers. Not hating on anything except Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon Wireless. -Jitpal

I'm going out for the evening. My main argument is still about choice. Google does go a lot further in liberating its users then Apple does. That's my final comment. Be feel to try to change my opinion