[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[klemen4]

My mistake, than be it 2014, does not matter.

The point of the trade is in DEN savings and getting basically the same package they would get in July (Chandler+AR or pick) but if they get it done before the deadline they also save 22 mil and maybe can get rid of Harrington.

[K_ick_God]

David Stern already came out and said he doesn't believe in the franchise tag and he specifically said so in regards to Melo having earned his right to be a free agent.

It's another bogus ESPN thing to scare Melo and the Knicks. Yes, that's what I honestly believe. Call it what it is!

[K_ick_God]

If Leon Rose finally smartened up and told everybody it's Knicks or bust -- huge news for us -- then we have all the leverage we need.

In that case, I trade away Gallo / Chandler (one, not both) and put Anthony Randolph (and of course Eddy Chubby) in the trade. Maybe they use Randolph for a pick or we can find them one somehow -- we can trade them our 2014 unprotected pick (with conditions that it is not possible that the pick can be traded to Houston).

But it puts us in the catbird seat -- which means we keep Mozgov & Fields and it's non-negotiable.

Then we go into the playoffs or next season with

Mozgov starting at 5 ... Turiaf backing him up
Amar'e starting at 4 ... MD is told that Amar'e is not to play a single minute at C ... none/nada/nunca
Melo - S.Williams
Fields - T. Douglas - B. Walker
Felton

We use Gallo or Chandler's remaining contract to get a) back-up PG (Toney Douglas is a back-up SG) and you fill out the bench with an athletic AND/OR scoring option behind Amar'e. Perhaps we DO take back Harrington for that role. Or we go after someone like Maurice Speights.

The year after next, you go for Chris Paul.

If MD doesn't win at least 52 games with the above team, don't bring him back. If he's not on pace for 50 by the ASB, fire him then and hire a good young coach who knows defense. Consider it his tryout. Bring in Lawrence Frank if need be. There's a perfect fit. And if MD ever plays Amar'e at center, fire him on the spot.

Bring in a defensive coach. Frank or someone else but Frank would be my choice.

Your long-term outlook:

Mozgov-Amar'e-Melo-Fields-C.Paul

Coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank.

This is the roadmap to bringing the championship to MSG that I would roughly follow as GM.

[czoneny]

While the Nuggets realize they will have to seriously engage the Knicks in trade talks for Anthony before the Feb. 24 deadline, a third team already has stepped into the on-deck circle as a potential facilitator if talks between Denver and New York ever gain traction. That team, sources say, is the Timberwolves, who are willing to absorb Eddy Curry's $11.3 million expiring contract in a three-team scenario that would send Anthony Randolph to Minnesota and Anthony to New York.

Has this been discussed yet????


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14646697/only-time-will-tell-if-mavs-have-what-it-takes-to-win-out-west

KAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNNN?

[czoneny]

If Leon Rose finally smartened up and told everybody it's Knicks or bust -- huge news for us -- then we have all the leverage we need.

In that case, I trade away Gallo / Chandler (one, not both) and put Anthony Randolph (and of course Eddy Chubby) in the trade. Maybe they use Randolph for a pick or we can find them one somehow -- we can trade them our 2014 unprotected pick (with conditions that it is not possible that the pick can be traded to Houston).

But it puts us in the catbird seat -- which means we keep Mozgov & Fields and it's non-negotiable.

Then we go into the playoffs or next season with

Mozgov starting at 5 ... Turiaf backing him up
Amar'e starting at 4 ... MD is told that Amar'e is not to play a single minute at C ... none/nada/nunca
Melo - S.Williams
Fields - T. Douglas - B. Walker
Felton

We use Gallo or Chandler's remaining contract to get a) back-up PG (Toney Douglas is a back-up SG) and you fill out the bench with athletic OR scoring options off the bench behind Amar'e. Perhaps we DO take back Harrington for that role. Or we go after someone like Maurice Speights.

The year after next, you go for Chris Paul.

If MD doesn't win at least 52 games with the above team, don't bring him back. If he's not on pace for 50 by the ASB, fire him then and hire a good young coach who knows defense. Consider it his tryout. Bring in Lawrence Frank if need be. There's a perfect fit. And if MD ever plays Amar'e at center, fire him on the spot.

Bring in a defensive coach. Frank or someone else but Frank would be my choice.

Your long-term outlook:

Mozgov-Amar'e-Melo-Fields-C.Paul

Coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank.

This is the roadmap to bringing the championship to MSG that I would roughly follow as GM.

I was with you until the coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank KG

[Knick4Real]

The CBS article isn't totally clear so maybe I'm missing something. It only mentions we somehow get Melo while Minny ends up with Curry and AR. But how?? And who or what does Denver end up with in trading their franchise player? Can someone please explain team by team who ends up with what in this scenario?

[K_ick_God]

If Leon Rose finally smartened up and told everybody it's Knicks or bust -- huge news for us -- then we have all the leverage we need.

In that case, I trade away Gallo / Chandler (one, not both) and put Anthony Randolph (and of course Eddy Chubby) in the trade. Maybe they use Randolph for a pick or we can find them one somehow -- we can trade them our 2014 unprotected pick (with conditions that it is not possible that the pick can be traded to Houston).

But it puts us in the catbird seat -- which means we keep Mozgov & Fields and it's non-negotiable.

Then we go into the playoffs or next season with

Mozgov starting at 5 ... Turiaf backing him up
Amar'e starting at 4 ... MD is told that Amar'e is not to play a single minute at C ... none/nada/nunca
Melo - S.Williams
Fields - T. Douglas - B. Walker
Felton

We use Gallo or Chandler's remaining contract to get a) back-up PG (Toney Douglas is a back-up SG) and you fill out the bench with athletic OR scoring options off the bench behind Amar'e. Perhaps we DO take back Harrington for that role. Or we go after someone like Maurice Speights.

The year after next, you go for Chris Paul.

If MD doesn't win at least 52 games with the above team, don't bring him back. If he's not on pace for 50 by the ASB, fire him then and hire a good young coach who knows defense. Consider it his tryout. Bring in Lawrence Frank if need be. There's a perfect fit. And if MD ever plays Amar'e at center, fire him on the spot.

Bring in a defensive coach. Frank or someone else but Frank would be my choice.

Your long-term outlook:

Mozgov-Amar'e-Melo-Fields-C.Paul

Coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank.

This is the roadmap to bringing the championship to MSG that I would roughly follow as GM.

I was with you until the coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank KG

I think Frank is a fit for that roster. He'd be our version of Erik Spoelstra as we go toe to toe with Miami.

[klemen4]

The CBS article isn't totally clear so maybe I'm missing something. It only mentions we somehow get Melo while Minny ends up with Curry and AR. But how?? And who or what does Denver end up with in trading their franchise player? Can someone please explain team by team who ends up with what in this scenario?

Use the Trade machine...but there are not a lot of options imo. The basics are set.

Here are my 2 tries as I mentioned on the top of this page:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4pneovf

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=45srswc

One NY future first rounder + MIN pick(UTA or MEM) going to DEN of course.

[Ron1]

lost to philly.....need...MELO........NOW!!!!

Nah, we need someone who can defend.

Nope, we need another scorer who can help us finish games. We can get a defensive center in the draft.

[duetta]

At this point, I offer Chandler, Curry's contract, Randolph, and promise to sell them the player we draft with our 2011 pick for $3 million. If they also insist on Walker, a couple of #2s, fine.

Chandler because he wants big money, Randolph (because Minnesota wants him), and our pick because I'd rather deliver this one than one down the road, by which point Amare will have likely broken down. That's what I would do. No Fields, no Gallo, no Mozgov, no 2014 picks.

If they don't like that offer, we'll talk to them this summer.

[K_ick_God]

lost to philly.....need...MELO........NOW!!!!

Nah, we need someone who can defend.

Nope, we need another scorer who can help us finish games. We can get a defensive center in the draft.

You don't think Mozgov looks like a defensive center?

[Jmonty580]

If Leon Rose finally smartened up and told everybody it's Knicks or bust -- huge news for us -- then we have all the leverage we need.

In that case, I trade away Gallo / Chandler (one, not both) and put Anthony Randolph (and of course Eddy Chubby) in the trade. Maybe they use Randolph for a pick or we can find them one somehow -- we can trade them our 2014 unprotected pick (with conditions that it is not possible that the pick can be traded to Houston).

But it puts us in the catbird seat -- which means we keep Mozgov & Fields and it's non-negotiable.

Then we go into the playoffs or next season with

Mozgov starting at 5 ... Turiaf backing him up
Amar'e starting at 4 ... MD is told that Amar'e is not to play a single minute at C ... none/nada/nunca
Melo - S.Williams
Fields - T. Douglas - B. Walker
Felton

We use Gallo or Chandler's remaining contract to get a) back-up PG (Toney Douglas is a back-up SG) and you fill out the bench with an athletic AND/OR scoring option behind Amar'e. Perhaps we DO take back Harrington for that role. Or we go after someone like Maurice Speights.

The year after next, you go for Chris Paul.

If MD doesn't win at least 52 games with the above team, don't bring him back. If he's not on pace for 50 by the ASB, fire him then and hire a good young coach who knows defense. Consider it his tryout. Bring in Lawrence Frank if need be. There's a perfect fit. And if MD ever plays Amar'e at center, fire him on the spot.

Bring in a defensive coach. Frank or someone else but Frank would be my choice.

Your long-term outlook:

Mozgov-Amar'e-Melo-Fields-C.Paul

Coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank.

This is the roadmap to bringing the championship to MSG that I would roughly follow as GM.

How do we get CP? Are you suggesting we’ll have enough cap space even with Melo, and Amare?
With Gallo or Chandler you really trade one of them for a back up point guard? Wouldn’t they be best used to trade and get CP in a trade? With Chandler he’d have a new contract, and Gallo would probably have to be resigned before any trade right?
Not challenging you, I’m just not all that up on this whole free agent salary cap stuff so maybe I’m missing something. I know a little but there are some concepts that I don’t quiet grasp.

[knicks742]

You guys are making things too complicated. There is no plan for 3 maxes. If we get Melo, it's Amar'e and Melo as our top two guys.

As far as Minessotta's role, they would get in to provide salary cap relief for Denver by absorbing the Eddy Curry contract. Their reward would be AR. They most likely would not include a pick, in addition to eating Eddy's contract. We either get a pick or they eat Eddy's contract, not both.

Denver has been focused on saving money so this is why the Knicks would consider bringing Minessotta in to eat Eddy's contract and provide the savings. We then add Chandler to the package and possibly trade TD or someone else for a 2012 pick and offer Chandler, pick and salary savings for Melo.

[Jmonty580]

You guys are making things too complicated. There is no plan for 3 maxes. If we get Melo, it's Amar'e and Melo as our top two guys.

As far as Minessotta's role, they would get in to provide salary cap relief for Denver by absorbing the Eddy Curry contract. Their reward would be AR. They most likely would not include a pick, in addition to eating Eddy's contract. We either get a pick or they eat Eddy's contract, not both.

Denver has been focused on saving money so this is why the Knicks would consider bringing Minessotta in to eat Eddy's contract and provide the savings. We then add Chandler to the package and possibly trade TD or someone else for a 2012 pick and offer Chandler, pick and salary savings for Melo.

I agree however I think you play out a season with Melo, Amare, and Gallo or Wilson and if it looks like we still need help you still have that slim possibility at getting someone like CP (using guys like Wilson/Gallo, Felton in a trade). I agree though we get Melo and thats our squad. Everyone think we need a "BIG 3" and I'm not convinced we do. I'll take a good Big 2 and the perfect team around them before JUST having a great BIG 3.

[MSGLegendNY]

People upset with Felton need to relax a bit, as of now he is worth his 7m a year. He is a huge upgrade from what we've seen the past few years and has had a lot of good games. It's a shame when someone enters a slump and even has a good game they want him gone. With Melo, I know Felton will become more of a passing PG when we have one of the best offensive threats ever. Our obvious untouchables are only Amare/Felton however, if Mosgov keeps showing this potential then he may be too. Especially since our lack of Center is overwhelming. Out of Gallo/Fields/Chandler I would hate for Gallo leaving the most but it's known he plays the same position as Melo. Thank god we have a GM who knows what he's doing and will make the best decision for us.

[god shammgod]

this was posted on Bulls board:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... zzer020411

N.Y. or bust for ‘Melo?

Several sources told Yahoo! Sports that Carmelo Anthony’s agent, Leon Rose, has recently begun informing teams that the All-Star forward is interested in signing a contract extension with only the New York Knicks. The stance has weakened the Denver Nuggets’ leverage in trying to deal Anthony, not only to other teams, but also the Knicks.

The sources said the Knicks don’t feel pressed to present a substantial trade offer to the Nuggets because they think they can also sign Anthony after the season if he opts out of his contract, as expected.

“If you’re New York, you just sit and wait until the offseason,” one general manager said. “That’s where it’s likely to go. Why give up assets to get him now when you can wait and get him next season?”

Said another source: “If ’Melo is telling the world he wants to go [to New York], why fight so hard to get him? [Knicks president] Donnie Walsh knows this.”

Though there’s less than three weeks before the Feb. 24 trade deadline, a deal for Anthony isn’t imminent. Sources said the Houston Rockets and Dallas Mavericks still have interest in Anthony despite knowing he doesn’t plan to re-sign with them.

“Don’t blame ’Melo. He’s been up front about wanting to go to New York since the summer,” one source close to the talks said. “They better trade him to New York or end up with nothing.”

still makes sense for everybody involved to do the deal before the deadline. we still need to clear out space during the summer for him by trading guys away/letting them walk. we haven't played great as of late. it would be better to get melo now and make a strong second half push.

[cgmw]

If Leon Rose finally smartened up and told everybody it's Knicks or bust -- huge news for us -- then we have all the leverage we need.

In that case, I trade away Gallo / Chandler (one, not both) and put Anthony Randolph (and of course Eddy Chubby) in the trade. Maybe they use Randolph for a pick or we can find them one somehow -- we can trade them our 2014 unprotected pick (with conditions that it is not possible that the pick can be traded to Houston).

But it puts us in the catbird seat -- which means we keep Mozgov & Fields and it's non-negotiable.

Then we go into the playoffs or next season with

Mozgov starting at 5 ... Turiaf backing him up
Amar'e starting at 4 ... MD is told that Amar'e is not to play a single minute at C ... none/nada/nunca
Melo - S.Williams
Fields - T. Douglas - B. Walker
Felton

We use Gallo or Chandler's remaining contract to get a) back-up PG (Toney Douglas is a back-up SG) and you fill out the bench with an athletic AND/OR scoring option behind Amar'e. Perhaps we DO take back Harrington for that role. Or we go after someone like Maurice Speights.

The year after next, you go for Chris Paul.

If MD doesn't win at least 52 games with the above team, don't bring him back. If he's not on pace for 50 by the ASB, fire him then and hire a good young coach who knows defense. Consider it his tryout. Bring in Lawrence Frank if need be. There's a perfect fit. And if MD ever plays Amar'e at center, fire him on the spot.

Bring in a defensive coach. Frank or someone else but Frank would be my choice.

Your long-term outlook:

Mozgov-Amar'e-Melo-Fields-C.Paul

Coached to a championship by Lawrence Frank.

This is the roadmap to bringing the championship to MSG that I would roughly follow as GM.

How do we get CP? Are you suggesting we’ll have enough cap space even with Melo, and Amare?
With Gallo or Chandler you really trade one of them for a back up point guard? Wouldn’t they be best used to trade and get CP in a trade? With Chandler he’d have a new contract, and Gallo would probably have to be resigned before any trade right?
Not challenging you, I’m just not all that up on this whole free agent salary cap stuff so maybe I’m missing something. I know a little but there are some concepts that I don’t quiet grasp.

In theory, Walsh could maneuver to have some cap space in 2012 under this scenario, but it would have to be a very carefully crafted plan. With only Amar'e, Carmelo, Gallinari, Mozgov, and Douglas under contract we'd be at $50 million. Throw in cap holds and drafted players, and we'd be right up against the current $58 million.


The idea of adding another $15-20 million contract for Chris Paul seems far-fetched. The only way I see it happening is if New Orleans agrees to accept a bunch of expiring contracts (Felton/Turiaf) at the 2012 trade deadline.

And you don't need Lawrence Frank to coach that team. Hell, I could coach that team. Giving Chris Paul to Mike D'Antoni would be outrageous. The real trick is finding some deal that NO would find acceptable. Walsh would have to keep as many bullets in the chamber as possible because if he takes back Al Harrington or gives up too many future considerations, there'll be nothing left to offer New Orleans, Utah, or possibly Orlando for the Big 3 free agents of 2012.

This is an absolute dream squad:

Mozgov
Amar'e
Carmelo
Fields
Paul

In theory, it's possible. But it would take some serious discipline, skilled negotiation, and a lot of luck by Walsh.

[NoLayupRule]

I dont see why Azabukie cant be a major part of this trade for either team

what team wouldnt want an 80% paid expiring contract and a player nearly ready to return?

Mini seems done with Flynn, Denver is looking at losing carmelo which will mean Nene and Billups too.

why not take advantage? Get a little trade exception, dump some contract, and get some players?


Denver sends NY Carmelo and Harrington
Mini sends Flynn to Denver with their 2nd rounder
Ny sends Curry and Azabukie with Chandler to Denver and sends Randolph to Mini with Mason Jr. and of course 2 picks to denver in like 2095

Or pull Flynn out
whatever

deal with reality denver, its time

[BasicBall]

All this chatter is fun, but annoying. Melo has made it crystal clear where he wants to play and who he will sign an extension with. Denver needs to get on with making it happen or lose him for nothing. They need to make a deal that keeps them competitive and still gives them a young piece and a number 1 pick..

End of the day, this will be a multi-team deal. Just a matter of who will be involved. I only see a few teams (who have guys on the block) that can and would make suitable trade partners. Detroit is one of them, in my opinion.

[Ray Williams]

this was posted on Bulls board:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... zzer020411

N.Y. or bust for ‘Melo?

Several sources told Yahoo! Sports that Carmelo Anthony’s agent, Leon Rose, has recently begun informing teams that the All-Star forward is interested in signing a contract extension with only the New York Knicks. The stance has weakened the Denver Nuggets’ leverage in trying to deal Anthony, not only to other teams, but also the Knicks.

The sources said the Knicks don’t feel pressed to present a substantial trade offer to the Nuggets because they think they can also sign Anthony after the season if he opts out of his contract, as expected.

“If you’re New York, you just sit and wait until the offseason,” one general manager said. “That’s where it’s likely to go. Why give up assets to get him now when you can wait and get him next season?”

Said another source: “If ’Melo is telling the world he wants to go [to New York], why fight so hard to get him? [Knicks president] Donnie Walsh knows this.”

Though there’s less than three weeks before the Feb. 24 trade deadline, a deal for Anthony isn’t imminent. Sources said the Houston Rockets and Dallas Mavericks still have interest in Anthony despite knowing he doesn’t plan to re-sign with them.

“Don’t blame ’Melo. He’s been up front about wanting to go to New York since the summer,” one source close to the talks said. “They better trade him to New York or end up with nothing.”

still makes sense for everybody involved to do the deal before the deadline. we still need to clear out space during the summer for him by trading guys away/letting them walk. we haven't played great as of late. it would be better to get melo now and make a strong second half push.

I wonder how the Denver board will spin this?