Andrew Bogut's Trade Value

[Fight the Tank]

Wait. Hasn't Bogut regressed to "meh" like levels? Some of these offers seem like over paying to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

A 26 years 7 footer, good defender, good rebounder and above average offensively center? No I don't think anyone is overpaying here.

Good defender doesn't do him justice. He's an elite defender; without question one of the top 5 in the NBA. In addition to leading the league in blocks per game, he also keeps a higher percentage of blocks in play than any of the other prolific shot blockers. He's always in the top 2 or 3 in charges drawn, and one of the best rebounders in the game. In addition to having great rebounding numbers, he's unselfish and boxes out a lot for his teammates to grab rebounds.

Offensively he was good last year, but really hasn't been this year, so who knows. Free throw shooting is horrendous.

As a Bucks fan, I don't want to hear about dumping bad contracts, or clearing cap space in a potential trade. Those things don't motivate me to buy tickets next year, and aren't fun to follow. It's not as if we're going to use cap space to sign Melo this summer, or CP3 the year after. I want blue chip prospects, or a top 5 pick. Otherwise, let Bogut play out his career in Milwaukee - there's value in that too. He won't lead us to a title, but he'll set all sorts of franchise records, and will probably have his jersey hanging in the rafters one day. I'll take that over acquiring cap space that we use to overpay non allstars.

Good post Adam. I agree with this.

[Quackenboss]

Toronto would give up almost anything outside of Derozan and Bargnani for Bogut. We would probably take on Gooden too.

Wrong. Toronto would give up anything on the roster including Bargs AND Derozan for Bogut.

LOL, thank you. And, no, Beasley would not hold up a Bogut deal either.

[skones]

I really think Bogut's value is at a low right now. Next season I expect his percentages from the field and the free throw line to come up quite a bit after a full summer of letting that elbow of his rest without the physicality of the NBA schedule holding it back from becoming fully recuperated.

Also, I would not deal Bogut for a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft and I'm not sure I would even deal him for the number 1 overall. I think this draft is THAT weak.

[xRapHeadx]

His trade value should be pretty high. Elite rim protection is a premium at the NBA level.

[Klomp]

Like the Detroit offer.

The Minnesota "anything besides Rubio and Love" is definitely intriguing, especially if it's Milicic/a good prospect (Johnson or Beasley or something?).

I'm very interested in acquiring Bogut for the Timberwolves. My initial thought is Beasley for Bogut straight up. However, would Milwaukee do this considering that the deal would leave them without a true center? I really don't want to give up Milicic, and I doubt Milwaukee would have a ton of interest in Pekovic or Koufus.

[nate33]

Like the Detroit offer.

The Minnesota "anything besides Rubio and Love" is definitely intriguing, especially if it's Milicic/a good prospect (Johnson or Beasley or something?).

I'm very interested in acquiring Bogut for the Timberwolves. My initial thought is Beasley for Bogut straight up. However, would Milwaukee do this considering that the deal would leave them without a true center? I really don't want to give up Milicic, and I doubt Milwaukee would have a ton of interest in Pekovic or Koufus.

C'mon now. Minnesota should have no trouble including Milicic in that package.

I don't see Milwaukee pulling the trigger though. Neither Beasley nor Milicic has the upside potential that Milwaukee needs in a Bogut trade.

[princeofpalace]

I don't envision a scenario in which Detroit would trade Prince/Wilcox/Daye/2011 unprotected for Bogut & Gooden. Highly doubtful that they would take on all that salary for Andrew Bogut.

[Biff Cooper]

Like the Detroit offer.

The Minnesota "anything besides Rubio and Love" is definitely intriguing, especially if it's Milicic/a good prospect (Johnson or Beasley or something?).

I'm very interested in acquiring Bogut for the Timberwolves. My initial thought is Beasley for Bogut straight up. However, would Milwaukee do this considering that the deal would leave them without a true center? I really don't want to give up Milicic, and I doubt Milwaukee would have a ton of interest in Pekovic or Koufus.

C'mon now. Minnesota should have no trouble including Milicic in that package.

I'd agree with this as a MN fan.

I don't see Milwaukee pulling the trigger though. Neither Beasley nor Milicic has the upside potential that Milwaukee needs in a Bogut trade.

Maybe. It seems to me like Beasley and Milicic do have decent upside potential still. Beasley is just 21. Milicic is like 24 or 25. Whether or not this is enough for Milwaukee, I can't say.

[Piecake]

I think Beasley has by far the most upside on the wolves. The question is whether he will actually reach it. I can understand why his value is lower and you might not want him due to him needing a new contract soon and perceived personality issues (I think he has been great for the wolves, and has definitely been improving his overall game since coming to Minnesota. Past month, ankle injuries have really hampered him though, so he hasnt been playing so hot, which is a shame).

Like I said before, I'd be more willing to trade Rubio or our first along with Darko to get Bogut. Bit less willing to trade Johnson, but I'd still probably do it.

As for Darko, I really have no problem trading him in a package for Bogut. We can find a cheaper back up center to cover 10-15 minutes a night. Plus, what are we going to do with 3 centers? Bogut, Darko, and Pek on the same team? I'd be fine just rolling with Pek and Tolliver at the back up 5 (minutes would be dependent on match ups)

[gswhoops]

I'd do a package based on Curry or Ellis for Bogut

[nate33]

Maybe. It seems to me like Beasley and Milicic do have decent upside potential still. Beasley is just 21. Milicic is like 24 or 25. Whether or not this is enough for Milwaukee, I can't say.

The biggest problem with Beasley is that he's a terrible defender and will always be a terrible defender. He has tons of offensive potential and could conceivably end up as one of the best offensive players in the league. But his poor defense will always doom him to "good player on a bad team" status. I figure he'll have a career much like Antawn Jamison, Jamaal Magloire or other similar no-D tweener forward with a good offensive game.

If Beasley is the highest upside player Milwaukee gets, I just don't see them pulling the trigger. Milwaukee needs at least one high quality, young, two-way player.

[Piecake]

Maybe. It seems to me like Beasley and Milicic do have decent upside potential still. Beasley is just 21. Milicic is like 24 or 25. Whether or not this is enough for Milwaukee, I can't say.

The biggest problem with Beasley is that he's a terrible defender and will always be a terrible defender. He has tons of offensive potential and could conceivably end up as one of the best offensive players in the league. But his poor defense will always doom him to "good player on a bad team" status. I figure he'll have a career much like Antawn Jamison, Jamaal Magloire or other similar no-D tweener forward with a good offensive game.

If Beasley is the highest upside player Milwaukee gets, I just don't see them pulling the trigger. Milwaukee needs at least one high quality, young, two-way player.

I dont think that is true at all. He has the strength, length, quickness and athleticism to be able to guard 3's effectively and be a good defender. He simply isnt good now (not saying that he will ever be good). Seriously though. Beasley isnt a tweener. He is a 3, and if you've watched a lot of wolves games that would be incredibly obvious.

Beasley does actually do a pretty good job of keeping in front of his man and contesting shots in iso - man on man situations. What he is really poor at is tracking his man through movement and ball screens, team defense, and fouling too freakin much.

[LJ4pointplay]

Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, Anthony Randolph, Toney Douglas, Timofey Mozgov, Turiaf

Subtracted by

whatever out of the above it takes to land Melo.

IDK if it would be enough, but I believe that would be his value for a post-Melo Knicks squad

[blkout]

Christ imagine the Knicks with a Bogut - Amare - Melo frontcourt

[uncarved block]

Bucks board is more pro-Curry.

Curry and ?
Ibaka, Harden, 1st
Toronto unprotected 1st and ? (if the trade happens after the season ends)

Bucks fans want to rebuild basically.

I think this is fair value if Moute is thrown in