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Post#341 » by stevieg987 » Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:25 pm

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god shammgod wrote:people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.




Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.


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Post#342 » by Justdatdude » Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:33 pm

Future Soldier wrote:yeah, Fields a star? I don't know about all that. He'll continue to get better at what he's good at already, while working on his jumper, but that won't make him a star. At best I can see him as a 12-14ppg, 6-7rpg type of player over the course of his career, which is not a knock on him at all. He's pretty much a huge piece of a championship puzzle and I want him here for the long haul.


What do you see Gallo being?
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Post#343 » by Context » Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:33 pm

Sorry but I think anyone that believes we have to give up two of our young three- are still in desperate/panic mode to a degree... I was there at one point when I wanted to trade Gallo and Chandler for picks. Again, this is assuming that Melo is only signing the extension with us. We DO NOT have to give up 2 of our three and it's NOT DELUSIONAL to believe so! Compound that with the recent Minny report and you have to seriously consider 25 million in savings, TWO 1st rounders, a controllable Chandler (you can match any teams offer or you could trade him for MORE value if you like) and Walker(assuming the reports are accurate and the like the 23 year old ). Versus, a TPE---IF YOU ARE DENVER...

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Post#344 » by czoneny » Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:41 pm

The fact that Warkentien says Denver main goal is about savings, its obvious if a deal goes down were taking on at least one bad contract. Maybe one of Fields/Gallo/Chandler and the ability to dump a Harrington on us?

If Denver wants 2 of Fields/Gallo/Chandler AND wants us to take on a horrible contract, well...NO CHANCE in HELL

and why the hell did Denver even sign Harrington in the first place? what a bad contract.
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Post#345 » by delvec19 » Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:47 pm

czoneny wrote:The fact that Warkentien says Denver main goal is about savings, its obvious if a deal goes down were taking on at least one bad contract. Maybe one of Fields/Gallo/Chandler and the ability to dump a Harrington on us?

If Denver wants 2 of Fields/Gallo/Chandler AND wants us to take on a horrible contract, well...NO CHANCE in HELL

and why the hell did Denver even sign Harrington in the first place? what a bad contract.


Is that really a question? Especially with how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) the Denver FO has been acting in the past few months. They are not smart people.
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Post#346 » by god shammgod » Sat Feb 5, 2011 10:02 pm

i don't know if two will go, maybe walsh waits then, but any 1 of the 3 can definitely go. it doesn't matter who you think is the better fit to stay. it doesn't matter which one you think will be the best pro. understand that we're robbing denver no matter how this goes. you don't get to be picky on top of it. just be happy this may actually happen. we're a .500 team and we're getting one of the best players in the game for a rotation player and a late pick or two.
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Post#347 » by Future Soldier » Sat Feb 5, 2011 10:18 pm

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Future Soldier wrote:yeah, Fields a star? I don't know about all that. He'll continue to get better at what he's good at already, while working on his jumper, but that won't make him a star. At best I can see him as a 12-14ppg, 6-7rpg type of player over the course of his career, which is not a knock on him at all. He's pretty much a huge piece of a championship puzzle and I want him here for the long haul.


What do you see Gallo being?


he's in his second year and he's averaging 16 a game, and he's yet to add a mid range pull up to his repertoire. I can see him being an All-Star once or twice, around 21-22ppg once he hits his prime in a couple years.
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Post#348 » by NYK_Lampe » Sun Feb 6, 2011 12:24 am

This could get real ugly for Denver. If this is all true and they knew that this was his plan all along they would have been very smart just dealing him to us over the summer. They could have had anyone other than Amare at that point in time.
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Post#349 » by macman411 » Sun Feb 6, 2011 12:37 am

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Two of the 3 should be mandatory for Melo. What 2 is up for negotiation, but 2 nonetheless.

Fine. Then we are getting a non-Harrington player back. Birdman will do.


Birdman's got a bad knee and a bad back. This year he's been shell of what he was 2 years ago. Hes really not a difference maker anymore.
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Post#350 » by tangotai » Sun Feb 6, 2011 1:15 am

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god shammgod wrote:people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.




Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

I think that is the point where Walsh would rather wait until the summer. If CAA is telling teams not to bother, and Minny is willing to take on Curry's deal and throw in a pick, why the hell should we trade 2 of our top 3 young players when we can get Melo in the summer?

If we trade 2 of the 3, something besides Melo is coming back.



Exactly this. Only one will go or we will wait. Donnie has said as much... not going to blow up the team to do this. I really believe that DW has found the sweet spot for the deal... if Minny really will take back Curry... then Kroenke's desire to save money can be met. No need to give more than one of the 3 plus a pick and what roughly 22million in savings... if you figure the lux tax and not paying Melo etc.

BTW, I would not trade Gallo.
Chandler is a no brainer as he is the least best fit.
Fields, only if he is the centerpiece and in the 11th hour 59th minute....

Actually, I would prefer we trade Chandler Turiaf AR and DougLOSS for future picks and PG help before the deadline and then sign Melo in FA. Should be a wild few days from 22-24 of Feb.

Basically, Ujiri and Denver are the key to a series of domino trades waiting to happen.
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Post#351 » by stuporman » Sun Feb 6, 2011 1:26 am

How is Denver going to send off Melo's salary and not take it back? Impossible. Even if Minn takes Curry from the Knicks they have to send some salary to Denver to make it work under the cba. I don't think they can use the TE they got from the AlJeff deal in a package, it has to be used by itself if I'm remembering correctly.
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Post#352 » by vallen » Sun Feb 6, 2011 1:33 am

what am I missing ? Minny wants to give us picks for eddy currys contract ? im sorry im very confused right now. Minny doesnt even have the room to absorb currys deal, what do we have to take back ??
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Post#353 » by alphad0gz » Sun Feb 6, 2011 2:32 am

Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.


I'll take that bet all day every day.

If only one goes, it has to be Wilson. There is no way he is going to get his 8-10 M here to come off the bench for Melo. That kind of money has to be reserved for difference makers.
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Post#354 » by vallen » Sun Feb 6, 2011 2:47 am

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Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.


I'll take that bet all day every day.

If only one goes, it has to be Wilson. There is no way he is going to get his 8-10 M here to come off the bench for Melo. That kind of money has to be reserved for difference makers.


if/when melo comes, we wont have 8-10 mill reserved for anyone, let alone difference makers.
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Post#355 » by K_ick_God » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:09 am

Well if we keep Gallo I hope he turns into everything a lot of people hope for. But I don't see a great player in the making. Not yet anyway. But he's still very young -- that's true.

Landry doesn't have the size or natural jumper but I think he's already better and it's just his first year. You can't teach intelligence. I know people think Gallo is really smart but I don't really see that yet to be honest.

I'd trade Gallo before Fields for certain -- particularly with Melo on board. Gallo's 3 ball goes nicely with Melo in theory but then one of them has to play PF. Fields will play at the 2 and do everything you need to win ballgames.

To me, it's not really that close. Fields and Mozgov are our best two prospects, and clearly so. Gallo is intriguing and talented too though. I just think Landry and Timo are head & shoulders right now.

Reasonable minds can differ on this though :)

Whatever we think about talent evaluation, Gallo or Melo has to play PF and with Amar'e on the court, he'd have to be at center. That's a misaligned and small lineup which I of course dislike greatly. Landry is thriving as a two guard -- none of the above can play two.
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Post#356 » by Hitman33 » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:18 am

KnicksGod wrote:Well if we keep Gallo I hope he turns into everything a lot of people hope for. But I don't see a great player in the making. Not yet anyway. But he's still very young -- that's true.

Landry doesn't have the size or natural jumper but I think he's already better and it's just his first year. You can't teach intelligence. I know people think Gallo is really smart but I don't really see that yet to be honest.

I'd trade Gallo before Fields for certain -- particularly with Melo on board. Gallo's 3 ball goes nicely with Melo in theory but then one of them has to play PF. Fields will play at the 2 and do everything you need to win ballgames.

To me, it's not really that close. Fields and Mozgov are our best two prospects, and clearly so. Gallo is intriguing and talented too though. I just think Landry and Timo are head & shoulders right now.

Reasonable minds can differ on this though :)

Whatever we think about talent evaluation, Gallo or Melo has to play PF and with Amar'e on the court, he'd have to be at center. That's a misaligned and small lineup which I of course dislike greatly. Landry is thriving as a two guard -- none of the above can play two.


We must be watching different games. Gallo, since returning from his injury, has showed himself to be on the verge of being totally unstoppable.

I used to agree with you a lot, but you seem to be aging backwards or something.
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Post#357 » by K_ick_God » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:31 am

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KnicksGod wrote:Well if we keep Gallo I hope he turns into everything a lot of people hope for. But I don't see a great player in the making. Not yet anyway. But he's still very young -- that's true.

Landry doesn't have the size or natural jumper but I think he's already better and it's just his first year. You can't teach intelligence. I know people think Gallo is really smart but I don't really see that yet to be honest.

I'd trade Gallo before Fields for certain -- particularly with Melo on board. Gallo's 3 ball goes nicely with Melo in theory but then one of them has to play PF. Fields will play at the 2 and do everything you need to win ballgames.

To me, it's not really that close. Fields and Mozgov are our best two prospects, and clearly so. Gallo is intriguing and talented too though. I just think Landry and Timo are head & shoulders right now.

Reasonable minds can differ on this though :)

Whatever we think about talent evaluation, Gallo or Melo has to play PF and with Amar'e on the court, he'd have to be at center. That's a misaligned and small lineup which I of course dislike greatly. Landry is thriving as a two guard -- none of the above can play two.


We must be watching different games. Gallo, since returning from his injury, has showed himself to be on the verge of being totally unstoppable.

I used to agree with you a lot, but you seem to be aging backwards or something.




lol fair enough. I don't need (or want) everyone to agree with me.

I guess I'm just not convinced about Gallo. Something about how he's getting his points. He's been putting points on the board but I think he's far from arrived to be honest. Can't get too critical about one half but I think last night does show that he's got a ways to go. Getting stripped and firing up an airball (from inside the arc) show that he's got work to do. I don't think he's got the NBA strength/quickness/control yet, or the knock-down jumper, that will make him a star. I hope he gets there though, and he is improving. He's just not yet a guy we can hang our hat on.

But again, even if we COMPLETELY put aside our differences about Gallo/Landry ETC. on talent and the future ... isn't there a lineup issue here?

What lineup do people envision with Gallo and Melo in the frontcourt with Amar'e?

Amar'e
Gallo
Melo

That's small ball.

Mozgov
Amar'e
Gallo
Melo

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That's not workable. Melo is not a 2.

I don't know how you get Melo and Gallo on the court together without Amar'e at center, which means we WILL suck defensively.

That's the part I don't get. I completely *do* get how people can love Gallo and see him as a great prospect. But I don't get the lineup that goes with Melo if we keep Gallo. Or maybe people just view him as a great 6th man.
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Post#358 » by KnickelandDime » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:32 am

KnicksGod wrote:Well if we keep Gallo I hope he turns into everything a lot of people hope for. But I don't see a great player in the making. Not yet anyway. But he's still very young -- that's true.

Landry doesn't have the size or natural jumper but I think he's already better and it's just his first year. You can't teach intelligence. I know people think Gallo is really smart but I don't really see that yet to be honest.

I'd trade Gallo before Fields for certain -- particularly with Melo on board. Gallo's 3 ball goes nicely with Melo in theory but then one of them has to play PF. Fields will play at the 2 and do everything you need to win ballgames.

To me, it's not really that close. Fields and Mozgov are our best two prospects, and clearly so. Gallo is intriguing and talented too though. I just think Landry and Timo are head & shoulders right now.

Reasonable minds can differ on this though :)

Whatever we think about talent evaluation, Gallo or Melo has to play PF and with Amar'e on the court, he'd have to be at center. That's a misaligned and small lineup which I of course dislike greatly. Landry is thriving as a two guard -- none of the above can play two.

Wait wait wait wait wait. Wait. One great game, one good game, several bad games and a couple ok games and Mozgov is better than Gallo? The same Gallo who has had several 20 point halves, squared up with some of the elite SFs of this league, hit more clutch 3s than everyone else put together, and showcaed a little bit of evertying in the last monh alone?
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Post#359 » by Fury » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:43 am

Gallinari and Anthony can match up with different shooting guards. Shooting guard isn't as small as before.

I love Fields but he's not better than Gallo. Neither is Mosgov though Mosgov plays a different position.
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Post#360 » by K_ick_God » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:44 am

KnickelandDime wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Well if we keep Gallo I hope he turns into everything a lot of people hope for. But I don't see a great player in the making. Not yet anyway. But he's still very young -- that's true.

Landry doesn't have the size or natural jumper but I think he's already better and it's just his first year. You can't teach intelligence. I know people think Gallo is really smart but I don't really see that yet to be honest.

I'd trade Gallo before Fields for certain -- particularly with Melo on board. Gallo's 3 ball goes nicely with Melo in theory but then one of them has to play PF. Fields will play at the 2 and do everything you need to win ballgames.

To me, it's not really that close. Fields and Mozgov are our best two prospects, and clearly so. Gallo is intriguing and talented too though. I just think Landry and Timo are head & shoulders right now.

Reasonable minds can differ on this though :)

Whatever we think about talent evaluation, Gallo or Melo has to play PF and with Amar'e on the court, he'd have to be at center. That's a misaligned and small lineup which I of course dislike greatly. Landry is thriving as a two guard -- none of the above can play two.

Wait wait wait wait wait. Wait. One great game, one good game, several bad games and a couple ok games and Mozgov is better than Gallo? The same Gallo who has had several 20 point halves, squared up with some of the elite SFs of this league, hit more clutch 3s than everyone else put together, and showcaed a little bit of evertying in the last monh alone?



Guess I'd answer that this way: If Gallo was a 40%+ 3-point shooter and/or was someone who could get his points in some way other than hitting 3's and slashing (mostly drawing fouls), then I'd go with Gallo and have no problem making him close to untouchable. But I don't see any of the above yet. So I easily pick a legitimately big 7-1 center with good IQ for the game, a nice touch and (most importantly) big shotblocking ability, very rare agility and quickness for a legit center, with a high motor. If he develops (and we get a different coach probably), Mozgov is a major game changer.

With Gallo, so far I see a good quality prospect ... not the first chutes of something that will grow into a dominant offensive player.

But more importantly perhaps, I don't see any lineup that includes Melo-Amar'e-Gallo that I actually want to see on the court or that could be the foundation of a championship team.

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