br7knicks wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah, kobe has never won a championship
solid argument.
but it's actually not.
bryant won with shaq who was a genuine franchise player who you can build a team around.
then when shaq left he brought a title to miami with help from the refs, who basically allowed wade to walk and carry the ball.
meanwhile bryant's lakers didn't do **** for years until they got gifted pau gasol.
they get demolished by the celtics, then they win a title against an overqualified and soft magic team who defeated an overrated cav team and who also defeated the celtics who were without garnett.
then the lakers win again because perkins went down with a knee injury in game 6. game 7 bryant shoots something like 5 for 24, but the lakers outrebound a perkins-less celtic squad to win game 7.
so yeah bryant has "won" titles, alright.... with one or two minor caveats.
you're making my argument for me, and against the OP.
the lakers only won because they HAD TWO FRANCHISE TYPE PLAYERS. also the same as Melo and Amare
magic, magic, magic...
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sorry but i am supporting the OP and pointing out the flaw in the sarcasm-laced statement "kobe never won a title." bryant won a title in spite of his style of play not because of it. he got his azz handed to him by the celtics, leaving his feet to force shots and force desperation passes against an iron curtain celtic defense, was fortunate to be able to do his thing against a very soft magic defense with only marginally better facilitating, and then almost lost the title for his team by shooting 5-24.
the operative concept is that both melo and stat are ball stoppers, as is bryant, while bryant has been marginally better than either stat or melo at defending the position. all three shoot way more than they have any right to which has hurt their teams. that pproach always seems to work a bit better during the regualr season but come the playoffs it mostly fails. it has been established by the eye test and by statistics that when bryant shots more than 18 times a game his teams usually lose.
think about that while you envision stat and melo on the floor together. are they both going to shoot any less than 18 shots a game? doubtful. these guys are cut from a different cloth from garnett and pierce and ginobili and duncan and shaq-- willing passers and good facilitators all. of course i look forward to their proving me wrong since i am a knick fan.
but i am a bigger fan of basketball being played the right way.
that's what's happening with felton and stat with the knicks now. they take too many shots to the detriment of the team. with guys like pierce (after rivers arrived), garnett, allen, rondo and davis that is never a problem regardless of age. same with gasol and duncan and ginobili and parker. all these players are willing passers, conserving energy for defending by doing so and maintaining or creating synergy.
bryant and stat and melo and wade and marbury and francis and macgrady and iverson and carter and b davis and so on and so on..... don't.
it is going to be very tough for the knicks to become successful with melo and stat and felton all being sub-par distributors and all having a tendency to taking too many shots.
carmelo anthony and amare stoudemire may be getting max money but that has little to do with whether they play a winning style of basketball, especially with a guard like felton.
felton will need to be traded if this is going to have any chance of working.
