[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[stevieg987]

From a business mans perspective what is 20 million when you will lose ticket sales, jersey sales, you will also lose face.

One of the reasons that Melo wants to leave is because he doesn't believe that Denver ownership is willing to spend. I showed you an example in the Camby deal. In addition, the rumor is that the first Nyets-Denver trade was aborted because Denver wasn't getting any financial savings. There was also an interesting article, posted on the Denver board, about how Kroenke is running his hockey team by having one star and keeping other salaries low and that's how he may want to run the Nuggets. While the Kroenkes are wealthy, do not confuse being wealthy with a willingness to spend that wealth.

They will lose nothing on "jersey sales", lets be honest, no one is buying any Melo jerseys. Ticket sales is marginal, it isn't as if replacing Melo with Chandler is going to make them cellar dwellars (That team probably still makes playoffs). If you want to talk about losing face imagine having to write a 20 million dollar check and then watch your star player go to New York for nothing.

[Knickplaya]

Part of that Camby trade was to pave way for Nene to be the main big. But man, they could have gotten a better deal, if they waited a little bit!!!!!!

[JimmyDolan]

The Colorado Avalanche have the 3rd lowest payroll in the NHL. They are at the NHL lower limit aka the floor. NHL upper limit is $59.4M and the floor is $43.4M. $16M gap. $8M mid-point. The Avs were a team which used to go for it every year in the late 90's and early 2000's. Now they are run like a small market team.

[Context]

The Colorado Avalanche have the 3rd lowest payroll in the NHL. They are at the NHL lower limit aka the floor. NHL upper limit is $59.4M and the floor is $43.4M. $16M gap. $8M mid-point. The Avs were a team which used to go for it every year in the late 90's and early 2000's. Now they are run like a small market team.

And that's what some people don't get about Kroenke... That's his model and that's the main reason Melo refused to sign the extension.

[Grinditout]

Random and possibly noob question: Does Chandler also have to be signed to a new contract for the trade to work?

[NYK0605]

@CSheridanESPN This was as far as D.Walsh would go on Knicks' trade prospects: "Maybe, a little more, we have a better feeling for what’s going to happen."

Looks like Walsh didn't deny the rumors. This lookingg gooooooood

[captain subtext]

Random and possibly noob question: Does Chandler also have to be signed to a new contract for the trade to work?

No. He can't be signed to a new contract before July 1st anyway.
Denver would acquire his bird rights and can start with a qualifying offer (which in his case is about 3 MM).

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rugby-hook wrote:I bet Curry has waived the trade kickerso that he could get his money in the off-season and satisfy his creditors. He had a major piece of litigation where he owed on a shouse, a fleet of cars, child support and other debts of relatives. NYK paid like 50% of his salary in August and probably got the kicker waived for the early payment. It also means that only a very small portion of the contract is still owed. I bet $3.0mm more than covers the remaining unpaid portion of the contract. MN takes it in this deal because it gives LT relief to Denver. The economics of this deal are the drive for Denver.

For MN, cap space is a use ir or lose it asset. With so many TPE available, it may not be that valuable as in past years. Look at how OKC wasted their space with Collison. There are fewer teams over the LT with large EC to dump; MN may not have a dance partner other than NY and Randolph for Brewer and a 1st may not be a lousy deal, especially if Curry cost you nothing, dollar-wise.

Kneega wrote:
This was an article from an oct 2010 real gm wire tap. I can't find the original link but I think it confirms the info you brought up:

According to RealGM:

The Knicks have already paid half of Eddy Curry's 2010-2011 salary, a fact that could provide a team acquiring him significant savings and greatly boost his contract's trade value.

The Knicks are certain to offer Curry in a bid to land Carmelo Anthony at any time between now and the NBA's trade deadline.

If traded today, Curry would be owed a little over $7 million by the team acquiring him, after adding in a trade kicker.

If Curry was traded just before the February deadline, the unpaid compensation on his contract would decline to about $2.4 million and his trade kicker would decline to about $600,000.

I got this from the main board. I also added the 2nd part. Apparently if we send the 3 million to Minny. Curry's contract COSTS THEM NOTHING!

[Grinditout]

Random and possibly noob question: Does Chandler also have to be signed to a new contract for the trade to work?

No. He can't be signed to a new contract before July 1st anyway.
Denver would acquire his bird rights and can start with a qualifying offer (which in his case is about 3 MM).

Ah ok. But hasn't Chandler hinted he wouldn't wan to sign with Denver either way? He'd definitely get some offers from other teams once summer comes along.

[GotItNow]

The Rebel isn't going to like all these new Melo to NY rumors. But at least the Denver board will get some more activity.

Oh my, so dry.

[nyczlegacy]

I feel like OP is trolling especially when Amare is 6'11'' and looking at the championship teams recently.. LA (Kobe Pau Odom), Boston (KG, Allen, PP), SA (Duncan, Parker, Ginobli).. and you bring up the Pistons.. they had a prime Ben Wallace along with 4 legit borderline allstars + a HOF coach..

[Gregory151]

@CSheridanESPN This was as far as D.Walsh would go on Knicks' trade prospects: "Maybe, a little more, we have a better feeling for what’s going to happen."

Looks like Walsh didn't deny the rumors. This lookingg gooooooood

yesssssss

[moocow007]

Random and possibly noob question: Does Chandler also have to be signed to a new contract for the trade to work?

No. He can't be signed to a new contract before July 1st anyway.
Denver would acquire his bird rights and can start with a qualifying offer (which in his case is about 3 MM).

Ah ok. But hasn't Chandler hinted he wouldn't wan to sign with Denver either way? He'd definitely get some offers from other teams once summer comes along.

Chandler would be clear in line to start for Denver. There'd be no real competition (unlike he's had in NY since he was drafted) and the Denver offense should allow him to continue to put up numbers and then some. I wouldn't be so sure that he won't want to be there. Also Denver will control his rights meaning that, aside from the handful of teams with capspace (not all of which would be interested in him) they can choose to match or look to sign-and-trade him (to teams without capspace) for other assets.

One scenario would possibly to send Chandler to the Clippers (who are craving a guy just like Chandler to sandwich between Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon) in exchange for Kaman and Aminu.

[moocow007]

Part of that Camby trade was to pave way for Nene to be the main big. But man, they could have gotten a better deal, if they waited a little bit!!!!!!

It was really about saving money more so than anything to do with Nene. Nene and Camby would have been a terrific pairing at PF/C with each player's skills seeming to be both in perfect balance as well as complement one another.

[Context]

Chandler would be clear in line to start for Denver. There'd be no real competition (unlike he's had in NY since he was drafted) and the Denver offense should allow him to continue to put up numbers and then some. I wouldn't be so sure that he won't want to be there. Also Denver will control his rights meaning that, aside from the handful of teams with capspace (not all of which would be interested in him) they can choose to match or look to sign-and-trade him (to teams without capspace) for other assets.

One scenario would possibly to send Chandler to the Clippers (who are craving a guy just like Chandler to sandwich between Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon) in exchange for Kaman and Aminu.

Excellent post Moo...

Chandler is a win win for Denver if they get him now.

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rugby-hook wrote:I bet Curry has waived the trade kickerso that he could get his money in the off-season and satisfy his creditors. He had a major piece of litigation where he owed on a shouse, a fleet of cars, child support and other debts of relatives. NYK paid like 50% of his salary in August and probably got the kicker waived for the early payment. It also means that only a very small portion of the contract is still owed. I bet $3.0mm more than covers the remaining unpaid portion of the contract. MN takes it in this deal because it gives LT relief to Denver. The economics of this deal are the drive for Denver.

For MN, cap space is a use ir or lose it asset. With so many TPE available, it may not be that valuable as in past years. Look at how OKC wasted their space with Collison. There are fewer teams over the LT with large EC to dump; MN may not have a dance partner other than NY and Randolph for Brewer and a 1st may not be a lousy deal, especially if Curry cost you nothing, dollar-wise.

Kneega wrote:
This was an article from an oct 2010 real gm wire tap. I can't find the original link but I think it confirms the info you brought up:

According to RealGM:

The Knicks have already paid half of Eddy Curry's 2010-2011 salary, a fact that could provide a team acquiring him significant savings and greatly boost his contract's trade value.

The Knicks are certain to offer Curry in a bid to land Carmelo Anthony at any time between now and the NBA's trade deadline.

If traded today, Curry would be owed a little over $7 million by the team acquiring him, after adding in a trade kicker.

If Curry was traded just before the February deadline, the unpaid compensation on his contract would decline to about $2.4 million and his trade kicker would decline to about $600,000.

I got this from the main board. I also added the 2nd part. Apparently if we send the 3 million to Minny. Curry's contract COSTS THEM NOTHING!

[Danny1024]

So if this goes down, who wants to bet that CP3 will demand a trade in the off-season to come here?

[Siem]

Smh. Boston Celtics, multiple superstars, Lakers Kobe n Shaq 2superstars, Lakers Pau n Kobe, 2superstars. (Pau may not be a superstar on his own,but he's arugably the Best PF in the league and with Kobe he's a superstar). Spurs superstar, 2 All Stars...Chicago Bulls, 2superstars...The proof is in the pudding. Amare is one of the best at his position, Carmelo is one of the best at his position. Thier arguably 2 top 10 players...Like who the hell do u want us to give our money too?..Your speaking on the Spurs like they won the championship this year or something. Get Melo along with Amare enough said, I dont think there could be a better scenario for us at this point, Lebron is in Miami..

[GotItNow]

To all of you who think this is too good to be true, do not underestimate the $20 million that Denver will be saving in salaries/luxury tax payments if they do this deal. That is the most important part of the deal and probably the main reason they would pull this trigger. Who else is going to give them as much savings or a player so much better than chandler that is worth bypassing $20 million in cash savings?

No. The Kroenkes are BILLIONAIRES.

They did not get to be billionaires by being stupid & they are NOT going to trade their most valuable asset JUST to save 20 million dollars.

He's gone anyway. Might as well get the 20.

[GotItNow]

So they got rich by making decisions like passing on 20 MM dollar savings and going for nothing instead? Seems legit.

You don't become a billionaire by looking for ways to save $20 million.

I'm pretty sure that's a real good way to start.